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AlphaHumanus

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I've yet to uses Bluetooth earbuds that that work reliably when they don't have direct line of sight to my iPhone. I've tried Jaybird X2's down to $25 budget ones. They all have the same issue, even when it's on a belt designed to hold a phone while running. I've had better results leaving my iPhone on a table 4-8 feet away than in a front pocket while working out. If Apple can improve on this then that would be great. Even at 4.1 Bluetooth connectivity leaves much to be desired.
This. My work pants have my phone around knee level. I need Bluetooth that can accommodate that, in the wind. Which right now, it doesn't seem to be able to handle.
 

HEK

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this would be good. Still not buying them though.
My $50 BT headset works perfect, and have physical buttons for all I need. And they don't fall out... or run the risk of falling out of my ears and getting stepped on.
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And if you took the time to actually read the complaint..... ANSWERING CALLS was not the issue. PLAYING MUSIC/ADJUSTING VOLUME is.
Nice to cut away the remainder of what I said. You work for Trump campaign? selectively comment on parts of what was said. My context was that sight unseen, perhaps there are other touch / tap functions that have yet not been disclosed. In any case all your complaining is a bit premature until we get our hands on the device. Besides you don't like em, don't buy em. I'm sure in the next several months there will be dozens of choices.

It never stops amazing me how some on here can rag on something that isn't even out yet to try. Negative negative, negative. Gets dam old after a couple posts. We get the picture, you don't like em, sight unseen.
 

lagwagon

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When I wrote that i had not seen the keynote. Curious though if you can use just 1 of them though..

I don't know if anyone has answered you yet on this, but yes you can use just one. It was mentioned in the keynote that both left and right audio will get routed to the one in use. (I would assume you leave one in the case so that the pause when taking one out of your ear doesn't interfere with just using one.)
 

pika2000

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Thats an interesting conclusion to come to. But I think a stronger argument could be made that these headphones aren't targeted at "lay people" at all, and are instead aimed more at the super Apple Enthusiasts.

- Quick pair is best for people with several Apple devices
- Heavy reliance on the fairly unpopular Siri system
- Fairly high pricetag
- Yet another accessory to carry around
- Yet another accessory to charge
- Premium pricing for a non-specific demographic

In the end then it doesn't seem to be the right fit for any category of people except Apple fans. Runners? No, it wouldn't last a run. Audiophiles? No, audio quality is too low. Kids? No, too expensive. Apple Fan that carries around accessories and has multiple Apple devices that they switch back and forth from several times a day? Yeah, everything about it kinda feels aimed right at us.
Your comment makes me thing you're one of those elitist geeks.

1. Quick pair. Lay people also have iPads and Macbooks, not just Apple geeks.
2. Regular people uses Siri more than you think.
3. This is almost sound offensive. Are you implying that regular people don't have as much money as you Apple geeks?
4. People already carry battery packs and headsets.
5. People don't seem to have a problem charging bluetooth headsets. This one makes it convenient as the case is the charger.
6. Again, elitist comment. Are you implying that lay people are poor people that cannot buy premium products?

Almost every people around me that use iPhones are smart non techie people. They use Apple products because of Apple's value proposition. I'm not saying Apple is always right, but your notion that non-techie lay people to be out of the league because of price etc is downright elitist and offensive.
 

bhayes444

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I don't know if anyone has answered you yet on this, but yes you can use just one. It was mentioned in the keynote that both left and right audio will get routed to the one in use. (I would assume you leave one in the case so that the pause when taking one out of your ear doesn't interfere with just using one.)
I don't know about using just one for music. I watched the keynote section about the airpods a second time and Phil doesn't definitively say you can use one to listen to audio; doesn't say you can't either. I believe he says something along the lines of: you can use both to listen in stereo, or if you want to use one, to talk to Siri or take a phone call it will transition seamlessly. What he said makes it sound like using one will result in only being allowed to ask Siri stuff or talk on the phone. At least to me it sounds this way. It would make sense to be able to listen with only one airpod active.
 

7thson

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I don't know about using just one for music. I watched the keynote section about the airpods a second time and Phil doesn't definitively say you can use one to listen to audio; doesn't say you can't either. I believe he says something along the lines of: you can use both to listen in stereo, or if you want to use one, to talk to Siri or take a phone call it will transition seamlessly. What he said makes it sound like using one will result in only being allowed to ask Siri stuff or talk on the phone. At least to me it sounds this way. It would make sense to be able to listen with only one airpod active.

It's right on the product page for the AirPods that they can be used paired or just one, probably for situations like driving, bicycling etc.
 

jediuia

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Why does Apple include a remote on its EarPods? Because it's convenient to not pull out your iPhone if you want to nudge the volume...

Why can't the deepest of FanBoys admit that Apple isn't perfect

Why cant people simply not buy a product instead of coming up with all things it cannot do and bring them up over and over?

In other words, don't buy it if you're not interested in it. So simple.
 
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urkel

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Your comment makes me thing you're one of those elitist geeks.
Wow. Being called an "elitist" by the guy who constantly uses the term "lay people".

Have it your way. You're right. Air Pods and a Goat in the hands of every layman and commoner in the kingdom.






At the same time, I am seeing lay people

Sure, you may not feel it's a big deal, but for lay people, pairing bluetooth devices are confusing.

So we might think a $30 bluetooth headphones is fine. But hey, the lay people don't want to deal with that.

Quick pair. Lay people also have iPads and Macbooks, not just Apple geeks.

Again, elitist comment. Are you implying that lay people are poor people that cannot buy premium products?

I'm not saying Apple is always right, but your notion that non-techie lay people to be out of the league because of price etc is downright elitist and offensive.


And I'm the one who's speaking for others and being condescending? Good grief.
 
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FSMBP

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Why cant people simply not buy a product instead of coming up with all things it cannot do and bring them up over and over?

In other words, don't buy it if you're not interested in it. So simple.

This is a forum for discussion...I wanted to buy AirPods but once I realized these crazy limitations, i didn't want to. Just voicing my opinion to see if others thought this was a deal-breaker.
 

HEK

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This is a forum for discussion...I wanted to buy AirPods but once I realized these crazy limitations, i didn't want to. Just voicing my opinion to see if others thought this was a deal-breaker.
As am I. So we are essentially in agreement, this is place to voice opinions. Don't take it personal if I don't agree with you. I don't take your opinion personally. I am waiting to hear what first users think about them, after they have tried them. At moment I am considering them.

My biggest concern is potentially loosing one. I know someone that needs hearing aids. They flushed one down toilet, and later lost one and stepped on it. Now they have a cord attached to them so if one falls out it hangs from other alerting them. Cord has a clip to clothing.

Other type is ring around neck variety. Room for more battery, and can't easily loose it. But I do like the W1 chip features, like not having to pair and less dropouts. Not happy about spending $100, 160, 199, 299 more for any earphones/pods. Over $1,000 for iPhone hand held computer is already a hefty sum. Problem is I use it for so much now, it's become indispensable.

Messages, calls, taking pictures, taking movies, reading, videos, tv, movies, podcasts, work app's, maps, calander, banking, flight checks, listening to police calls, listening to ATC tower calls, reminders, look ups of multiple varieties, playing music all the time. Tracking and being tracked by family members. Using Siri more and more things like timers, wake ups, looking for places. Letting NSA know what I am up to. And I don't do hardly any social apps. And now checking on iPhone 7 delivery status LOL. It's simply crazy, nothing at all as limited as the communicators on Star Trek.
 
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scotio200

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I'm actually looking forwards to these, I cannot wear in ear headphones as I'm prone to ear infections so I need to use ear pod like solutions or over the head "cans"

Up to now all Bluetooth earphones I come across are in ear and there fora no go for me. The air pods appear to be the best solution for me unless I go for cans. I do have and issue with EarPods falling out my ears but use something called sprng to keep them in and they work just fine, you slide your EarPods in to them and you get a little hook that slides under the upper fold on my ear. I just hope they bring out air pod compatible ones!
 

rockyromero

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Yeah, this really puts me off. They should have some form of volume control - or, indeed, any control beyond Siri.

Not to worry.

The sensors in the Airpods will detect head movement.

Future software upgrades will occur.

To adjust volume will simply require upward or downward head motion.

Similarly, changing tracks requires head movement to right or for previous to the left.

Pausing is a forward head motion, or two forward head motions to stop.

Stopping could always be done with a single backward head motion.

Or simply ask Siri.

Simple.

 

bhayes444

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Not to worry.

The sensors in the Airpods will detect head movement.

Future software upgrades will occur.

To adjust volume will simply require upward or downward head motion.

Similarly, changing tracks requires head movement to right or for previous to the left.

Pausing is a forward head motion, or two forward head motions to stop.

Stopping could always be done with a single backward head motion.

Or simply ask Siri.

Simple.

Yeah... Maybe they will do all of want you mentioned if they get that in an update. From the looks of it now, the answer is no. Plus, all of these head movements would never work well enough. Maybe shaking and nodding, but I doubt Apple would make that an update. You'd have people complaining of neck pain or that they ran into someone while banging their head around trying to skip tracks.
 

matrix07

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I don't know about using just one for music. I watched the keynote section about the airpods a second time and Phil doesn't definitively say you can use one to listen to audio; doesn't say you can't either. I believe he says something along the lines of: you can use both to listen in stereo, or if you want to use one, to talk to Siri or take a phone call it will transition seamlessly. What he said makes it sound like using one will result in only being allowed to ask Siri stuff or talk on the phone. At least to me it sounds this way. It would make sense to be able to listen with only one airpod active.

My interpretation is using one = mono. Using both = stereo. Since it works with one why not working with music, right?
 

bhayes444

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My interpretation is using one = mono. Using both = stereo. Since it works with one why not working with music, right?
Hopefully Apple will dish out a few to journalists ahead of release and they can help us understand how they work better. I would hope one airpod would work by itself.
 

Cigsm

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You think $149 is premium pricing for touch controlled, voice command, surroundings aware, gyroscoping blue tooth headphones? Please do share where you can find all of. That in Bluetooth headphones for cheaper

Thats an interesting conclusion to come to. But I think a stronger argument could be made that these headphones aren't targeted at "lay people" at all, and are instead aimed more at the super Apple Enthusiasts.

- Quick pair is best for people with several Apple devices
- Heavy reliance on the fairly unpopular Siri system
- Fairly high pricetag
- Yet another accessory to carry around
- Yet another accessory to charge
- Premium pricing for a non-specific demographic

In the end then it doesn't seem to be the right fit for any category of people except Apple fans. Runners? No, it wouldn't last a run. Audiophiles? No, audio quality is too low. Kids? No, too expensive. Apple Fan that carries around accessories and has multiple Apple devices that they switch back and forth from several times a day? Yeah, everything about it kinda feels aimed right at us.



Personally, there is so much in the Air Pods that just looks awesome. But unfortunately it is in a design that once again seems to be designed by someone who spends most of their day in a large prestige animal-free white room, and not someone who actually would be running to catch a bus.
 
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bhayes444

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You think $149 is premium pricing for touch controlled, voice command, surroundings aware, gyroscoping blue tooth headphones? Please do share where you can find all of. That in Bluetooth headphones for cheaper
I think these headphones, at $159, are an acceptable price for what they are. What that poster alluded to is that for people who don't understand technology, the airpods seem like a really overpriced set of headphones. Some people in my family are like that they see the Airpods and ask why they are $159. I tell them, but they just don't understand the technology the Airpods have in them vs some $30 BT in-ear headphones from Amazon; just that I generally know what I'm talking about when it comes to tech. It is a premium price, but an acceptable one as even the closest competition charges the same amount for a similar product. However, for people that don't really understand it they are willing to sacrifice the conveniences and future tech of the Airpods for a cheaper price.
 
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Zedcars

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If you took the time to watch the one minute movie you would note that tapping the ear pod twice answers calls. Until we see them released or Apple discusses any other tapping commands we won't know. Perhaps single and triple taps do something, beside envoy int Siri. Either way, I use "Hey Siri" a lot now with my iPhone so I am way used to talking to my digital assistant.

As for other people overhearing me talk to Siri, I don't give a rodents behind. As they carry on conversations on their blue tooth devices all the time. As I do with my phone speaker and wired EarPods.
I can definitely see them adding commands for basic audio control. For example, how about a tap and hold for volume down (the length of the hold determining the amount of reduction), and a short tap with a second tap and hold for volume up?
 
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matrix07

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I can definitely see them adding commands for basic audio control. For example, how about a tap and hold for volume down (the length of the hold determining the amount of reduction), and a short tap with a second tap and hold for volume up?

I was thinking about this the other day and I thought tap and hold might not be used as a command. I might be wrong but supposes you're in a crowded subway. The likely scenario that I'm willing to risk wearing it is wearing it just one so I can take better care of it. And in that situation I will use my index finger to hold it in my ear to prevent losing or getting snatched off.
 
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Zedcars

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I was thinking about this the other day and I thought tap and hold might not be used as a command. I might be wrong but supposes you're in a crowded subway. The likely scenario that I'm willing to risk wearing it is wearing it just one so I can take better care of it. And in that situation I will use my index finger to hold it in my ear to prevent losing or getting snatched off.
You make a good point. Perhaps you could hold it slightly away from the sensor so it doesn't register? The tap and holding thing was just off the top of my head though. I guess there may be better ways to do it. Or even have it as user programmable, or just an on off switch in the phone settings.
 

HEK

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I was thinking about this the other day and I thought tap and hold might not be used as a command. I might be wrong but supposes you're in a crowded subway. The likely scenario that I'm willing to risk wearing it is wearing it just one so I can take better care of it. And in that situation I will use my index finger to hold it in my ear to prevent losing or getting snatched off.
Never though about getting it stolen, snatched off. Good point to consider. Although even wired someone can grab and run. Head phones would be tempting target.

Wonder how they will work in winter with those cloth earmuffs?
 

bhayes444

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I can definitely see them adding commands for basic audio control. For example, how about a tap and hold for volume down (the length of the hold determining the amount of reduction), and a short tap with a second tap and hold for volume up?
I don't see how that would work. From the way it was described in the product video it uses accelerometers to determine when the two taps are done to invoke Siri. I don't see how a hold would be registered on the accelerometer.
 

Zedcars

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I don't see how that would work. From the way it was described in the product video it uses accelerometers to determine when the two taps are done to invoke Siri. I don't see how a hold would be registered on the accelerometer.
You may be right there. I was incorrectly thinking you tapped on the infra-red sensor but, no, that is facing your ear. Looks like it will only be able to register short taps then.
 

AlphaHumanus

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From the way it was described in the product video it uses accelerometers to determine when the two taps are done to invoke Siri. I don't see how a hold would be registered on the accelerometer.
That makes me nervous. I would have thought to make them touch capable along the "stem" and a simple set of gestures to control. Try it on your earpods, it seems natural.
 
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