Haven't taken any measurements but mine sound the same to me (still great). Could be lack of proper seal affects some people more than others? These things smoke my APP Gen 1, it isn't even close in terms of ANC and sound quality. Large tips seal completely, I need to actually use some grip to pull them out. Maybe ignorance is bliss...I say this now and of course I jinxed myself and SQ will degrade come next update...
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AirPods Pro 2: ANC after 5B58 update?
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Couldn't be because Costco is busy with Thanksgiving and holiday shoppers right now, could it.
Why did I picture you walking out of Costco with carrots in your ears? 😂
It was actually quite empty.
Like for like, ANC used to be (and continues on Fit Pro) stronger.
Is there a way to make my apple watch show what the ANC is cutting? I noticed it once and it was cool but it doesn't show anymore.
So, now that even rtings has confirmed that nothing has changed and especially nothing has been „nuked“, „significantly degraded“ etc. with regard to ANC… which conspiracy theory is next?
Honestly I don’t understand why you’re struggling so much on this point.
APP2 are claimed to be 2X more effective than gen1.
And a great boost in ANC is what a lot of user has experienced once they tried them at the first stage.
Following the Decibel scale 2x means around 10db of difference (in. Noise suppression)
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So, changing the main point of discussion now, I see. Clever. I‘m not struggling at all but seems I need to explain once more
The point was that some of you folks were claiming all the way through that the newest update „significantly decreased“ ANC performance in comparison to the previous firmware and showed „proof“ of it by showing Apple Watch pictures while the majority of people said there was no audible difference. Accusing Apple of purposely worsening ANC and whatnot was the main topic.
Now that we have official proof that this was obviously complete nonsense we suddenly discuss the ANC performance in general in comparison to the APP1? Fine let’s do that.
So, we see that the ANC performance has improved in direct comparison by (here) 2.13db on average. That’s better than before. It’s definitely not twice as good as Apple claims, true, but that was not the main focus here.
Again, it was you guys claiming the latest firmware has significantly reduced ANC performance which is simply not true. We‘ve read about reductions from -30db to -20db with this firmware. That was our main concern here.
Now, if you want to complain about the APP2 don’t have the advertised „twice as good ANC“, please do that. I, however, have never said that it was twice as good. Just that this firmware hasn’t done any harm to the APP2 compared to the previous firmware.
Many people, here and on reddit, has experimented a noticeable decrease after the launch day.
Many.
You can keep going posting “proof” that it’s not so, but something must be true if so many people has noticed that, at the point that they complaints on specific forums.
My noise reduction is about 22db.
Many.
You can keep going posting “proof” that it’s not so, but something must be true if so many people has noticed that, at the point that they complaints on specific forums.
My noise reduction is about 22db.
I wasn't the one with Apple Watch "proof". Running round in circles, aren't we?
Facts are:
1. A big majority says "Nothing has changed"
2. rtings measurements proof that. They know better how to measure that stuff than your average Joe's Apple Watch.
3. Another Youtube video (Aaron) that we could all watch and listen to made it very clear that nothing got worse at all.
4. Every time a firmware gets update "many" people claim the same thing with reduced ANC on Sennheiser, Sony, Bose forums and reddit. Every single time. It's soo tedious by now.
--> Please go on for as long as you want but still claiming that ANC got worse because of the update is beyond ridiculous at this point.
Yup. There just isn't any definite confirmation of any kind, other than people using Apple Watches to measure ANC in non-controlled conditions and subjective feel. Like, someone here mentioned how they went into a store and could hear TVs that they couldn't hear with the previous FW. I mean.... are we sure the TVs are set at the same volume? Perhaps the person didn't pay attention to it before? Were they at the exact same distance from TVs? How many people were in the store? Etc. Hearing is really subjective, also - our perception of hearing changes during the day and there are many factors.
The fact that literally every firmware update for any ANC headphones gets accused of reducing ANC, so far I have no reason to believe this is actually happening, not to an extent that people will actually notice. That doesn't mean that it isn't happening - maybe someone offers some definite proof in the future - that just means that currently it all seems just a combination of mind-trickery and circumstances. Also, there is no logical reason why Apple would intentionally reduce the quality of their product, especially this early in its product cycle.
Of course, people who believe that they did - will continue to do so, regardless of what anyone else says, and - that's their right.
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You cannot base any conclusions on "many people have experienced it". That's not how it works. Many people also claim they have seen ghosts. And our brains play so many tricks on us, this means literally nothing. You can find "many people" for just about anything, including that "many people claim that there was no change in ANC" (a big majority of people here for that matter, judging by the poll).
You need controlled conditions, a control group and specialized equipment for a conclusive proof. Until you do, it's all subjective - and majority of people subjectively claim there is no change so that seems more likely until new data proves otherwise.
sure i go long as i want
Rtings + 1 youtuber means anything to me, honestly.
If Apple would share a clear changelog of the firmware update it would be definitely easy to understand which changes/upgrade are included.
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i obviously mean people on many forums, not just on this poll. I conducted my test in the same condition, same room, same everything and i noticed the variation (not just me).
You say "Many people also claim they have seen ghosts.". Cmon, also many people have blind faith in magic pills/medicals supported by dozen of fake studies, but this is another matter.
Weì'll se in the next update what will happen
Oh, I already know. ANC will be degraded further, possibly significantly again.Weì'll se in the next update what will happen
A great study in the belief patterns of conspiracy theories.
You forgot the majority of people and common sense. And the fact that we have the same thing every time there is a firmware update from any manufacturer.sure i go long as i want
Rtings + 1 youtuber means anything to me, honestly.
Funny that Rtings now doesn't mean anything to you
I'm sure it would have meant the world to you, had they found any proof for your strange claims.Instead, your Apple Watch still is king. Cannot make that stuff up. Gotta love the internet.
Just so we’re clear, I was part of the “users who requested RTNGS publish the variance.”
I accept their testing.
But having units replaced - and temporarily on the older 5A374 prior to update on the new set - something is different. It’s not across all sound spectrum/frequencies - just some like voice and (sorry) wherever peeing falls into the spectrum.
For me, it’s a big deal when wife watching TV or I’m trying to reduce sound at a supermarket.
And on airplanes, I commented to friends how much better APP2 was than my super expensive SHURE and Westone IEM’s… which I now use again after the 5B58 update.
P.s. why the hell are people who don’t care/ don’t have the issue/ or don’t even own these arguing. Can you get a life or go argue somewhere else ffs?
I accept their testing.
But having units replaced - and temporarily on the older 5A374 prior to update on the new set - something is different. It’s not across all sound spectrum/frequencies - just some like voice and (sorry) wherever peeing falls into the spectrum.
For me, it’s a big deal when wife watching TV or I’m trying to reduce sound at a supermarket.
And on airplanes, I commented to friends how much better APP2 was than my super expensive SHURE and Westone IEM’s… which I now use again after the 5B58 update.
P.s. why the hell are people who don’t care/ don’t have the issue/ or don’t even own these arguing. Can you get a life or go argue somewhere else ffs?
sure i go long as i want
Rtings + 1 youtuber means anything to me, honestly.
If Apple would share a clear changelog of the firmware update it would be definitely easy to understand which changes/upgrade are included.
Saying “YouTuber” instead of “Audio Engineer, who posted a video on YouTube” is a little disingenuous to be fair. He provided objective evidence that ANC hasn’t been reduced which is a lot more than “trust me, I believe it’s reduced”. 75% of people polled here also report no worsening of the ANC.
If we were to believe every claim of reduced ANC strength after every update, there’d be no ANC feature left.