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All jokes aside, what would be a reason to get the iPhone 7 Plus over the Note 7?

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modernmoments said:
I'll give you most of these but waterproofing is not better on iPhone. IP67 vs IP68. Also no fast charging. That's such a no brainer. Not sure why apple wouldn't be implementing yet.
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Not arguing, but as I said. Wasn't it very recently (a couple weeks ago) discovered that all the 7 series Samsung phones to be not as water resistant in the real world than claimed to be?

While fast charging sounds nice, not necessarily a requirement. The 7 and 7+ are going to last longer anyways and it doesn't take long for iPhones to charge. Plus all newer iDevices can be somewhat "fast charged" via the iPad charger brick. It's enabled to do so technically, it's just never really advertised.
 
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modernmoments said:
I'll give you most of these but waterproofing is not better on iPhone. IP67 vs IP68. Also no fast charging. That's such a no brainer. Not sure why apple wouldn't be implementing yet.
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It'not really worse either. The Galaxy 7 has IP68. Which means it give better water resistance protection from 5 feet to 3 feet (IP67). Apple has been trailing Samsung in innovation for a while now. Samsung's hardware is arguable much better but they can't seem to gel their software with their hardware. It's a chronic deficiency they have due to their way of thinking.
 
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Neebee said:
It'not really worse either. The Galaxy 7 has IP68. Which means it give better water resistance protection from 5 feet to 3 feet (IP67). Apple has been trailing Samsung in innovation for a while now. Samsung's hardware is arguable much better but they can't seem to gel their software with their hardware. It's a chronic deficiency they have due to their way of thinking.
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I think the software and hardware thing is an Android issue in general.
 
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lagwagon said:
Not arguing, but as I said. Wasn't it very recently (a couple weeks ago) discovered that all the 7 series Samsung phones to be not as water resistant in the real world than claimed to be?

While fast charging sounds nice, not necessarily a requirement. The 7 and 7+ are going to last longer anyways and it doesn't take long for iPhones to charge. Plus all newer iDevices can be somewhat "fast charged" via the iPad charger brick. It's enabled to do so technically, it's just never really advertised.
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But on the flip side of things, you can find just as many, if not more reports or videos that show the 7-series devices exceeding the IP68 rating.

This is all moot anyway, as the iPhone 7 hasn't been released yet. We're all just assuming the iPhone won't have the same kind of negative reports.
 
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I think if it wasn't for the iPhone's ecosystem and the optimizations that the iOS platform has compared to the Android platform I would switch back to the Note 7, after they fix the exploding issues of course lol. Those screens look amazing, the S-Pen is good (but rarely used), wireless charging and I miss the customizations that they had. But when Samsung started locking down and encrypted their bootloaders, which makes it hard to flash custom ROM's, I decided to jump ship. The other thing is that it takes forever to get updates when they come out. One person on my plan with the Note 4 had to wait 3.5 months to get the latest 5.0 upgrade after it was released first available for the Nexus phone. Once an update comes out the manufacture has to put their spin on it and then each carrier has to put their spin on it, which can take forever and VZW has been know to be the last to get the updates. I haven't followed the Android update timelines since I switched, but as we all know when ever there is available all iPhones get it the day it's released no matter what carrier you are on. That is a huge plus in my book and iPhone doesn't come with too much bloatware compared to what the Android OS comes with. Another this that is great about the iPhone is that Apple and app developers has to optimize their OS to work with about 20 devices or so, which means they can tune it better to run smoother and faster. On Android ecosystem, Google, manufacturers and app developers have to create apps and the OS to run smooth on over 100+ devices that support the Android operating system. Each device is a different size with different screen resolutions, different hardware specs and so on. By doing that you cannot fully optimize apps and the OS to fully utilize the hardware specs that the high end phones have. I mean they will still run great, but they won't be fully optimized like they are on the iOS. Just my take on the iOS vs Android. FYI I started out with the HTC Hero on Sprint when it first was available and stayed with Android until the iPhone 6 came out. I loved rooting my phones and flashing numerous ROM's on my devices, but like I said when the Note 4 came out Samsung encrypted their bootloader, which basically took the joy of owning a Android device from me and I made the switch to Android and haven't looked back.
 
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modernmoments said:
So, not due to the recall, but outside of that, what would be a reason to get the iPhone 7 plus over the Note 7?

I currently have the Note 7 and do really like it, but it has been recalled and I have the ability to switch to the iPhone 7 Plus. I seem to bounce back and forth between Android and iOS and can never feel fully satisfied with either one.

The Note 7 will get fixed, so wondering what reasons you think are the main reasons to go with the 7 plus over the Note 7 since the Note 7 on paper, and even in some hardware features are more impressive than the 7 Plus?

Note 7 has a better screen, wireless and fast charging, better waterproofing. The camera system may end up being a wash, although I do like the telephoto lens on the new 7 Plus. Just wondering if there were reasons you'd pick the 7 plus over the Note 7 besides saying it doesn't explode. Looking for some constructive feedback. I'm getting the itch to come back to iPhone, but not really unsatisfied with the the Note 7.

Thanks everyone!
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Because some of use are completely in the Apple ecosystem. Android is not a consideration for us.
 
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Because of OS fragmentation, Google has effectively given up on unified OS updates and left it up to the device manufacturers instead.

I was looking at the Note 7 for my wife and I was impressed until I looked at the specs. If I were to suggest Android, I would either go with the new Nexus (now Pixlr) line or Galaxy 7 for which one can get a good price because it has been out since March. The new LG V20. The G5 was bought and returned back to Costco.
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Thread Title:
"All jokes aside, what would be a reason to get the iPhone 7 Plus over the Note 7?"
Answer:
"It doesn't come with Bloatwiz UI."
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For those who may not understand the joke, it DOES come with Touchwiz: http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note7_(usa)-8242.php
 
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Neebee said:
It'not really worse either. The Galaxy 7 has IP68. Which means it give better water resistance protection from 5 feet to 3 feet (IP67). Apple has been trailing Samsung in innovation for a while now. Samsung's hardware is arguable much better but they can't seem to gel their software with their hardware. It's a chronic deficiency they have due to their way of thinking.
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Apple is trailing Samsung in innovation? When was the last time or anytime for that matter that Samsung put out tech in their phone that equals the innovation and sheer engineering of 3D Touch? Higher resolution or even OLED isn't exactly innovative or any kind of engineering feat. Resolution was mostly a spec war booster and OLED was just the next natural progress in overall screen technology.

Not sure how you can say Samsung hardware is better.

- CPU by far goes to Apple (A9 and soon to be A10 are industry leading chips)
- flash storage goes to Apple (much quicker)

- RAM goes to Apple because it's by far the best at managing less RAM better than more RAM in a Samsung

- camera will more than likely go to Apple on the 16th (especially on the 7+)

- speakers goes to Apple (because it will now be stereo)

- screen is a wash. Many prefer to say they have such a high resolution on Samsung's OLED, but mostly no perceived difference at normal viewing distances. Many prefer Apple's better colour calibrated screen, which is getting even better with the P3 cinema colour gamut on the 16th

- 3D Touch by far beats the sPen (can't put a finger in backwards and break the phone)

- Touch ID is the gold standard of what all phone fingerprint readers strive to be (and all have pretty much gotten on par now, so that's a wash)

- iPhone has never needed to be recalled due to potential death from hardware failure
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Mxbzz said:
But on the flip side of things, you can find just as many, if not more reports or videos that show the 7-series devices exceeding the IP68 rating.

This is all moot anyway, as the iPhone 7 hasn't been released yet. We're all just assuming the iPhone won't have the same kind of negative reports.
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As the original Apple Watch taught us. Apple undersells the water resistance and over delivers. It was rated IPx7 but was able to handle far more without issue.
 
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Samsung makes some hardware components for Apple. Unfortunately, you're cherry picking with your arguments. Let's stick with innovation. The iPhone has looked rather boring for quite some time in many people's eyes.

I agree, Apple's CPU is better than Samsung (both SD and Exynos).Depending on the benchmarks, Samsung's CPU is better than the SD. However, faster CPUS is no being innovative. Hardware consists of more than the CPU. Memory management is a result of the software, not hardware. Speakers? Seriously, you're bringing up external stereo speakers? Samsung cameras are really good and have traditionally been better than Apple's, it shall remain to be seen how it compares with Apple now.

Bro, have a look here to expand your mind: http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/24/apple-lacks-innovation-it-copies-expert.html
 
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Well simply apple. Is it the best phone? Personal preference. I am all in with Apple with the whole family. iPhone, iPads, MacBooks, Apple TVx3. Only thing i don't have it the router simply because it sucks horrible. Cant set a static IP address for my security cams? Really? Got ubiquity and never looked back. Love the ecosytehm and the family loves. I am a fanboy no doubt.
 
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I'm a diehard iPhone guy who recently switched to a Note 7, returned it after the recall, and decided to go with the S7 Edge. There was definitely lag on the Note 7 (and noticeably less on the S7 Edge) which I didn't like all that much. But that aside it's difficult to go back to iOS as my daily driver. I think in terms of hardware they're nearly a wash, although I will say that the screen on my S7 Edge is just absolutely stunning and can't be matched by anything I've seen from Apple yet.

That aside, the real difference is the open-ness of Android and the customizability. It does take some effort to switch away from iOS. But once you have everything setup the way you like it, it's really, really tough to go back to a relatively more inflexible OS like iOS. The high-end Androids have gotten to a point where they're as good, if not better, than the Apple equivalent.
 
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I'm not using a Note 7, but I am using an S7 Edge at the moment. I still like iOS and I still swap my sim out into my 6+. I watched and listened to the iPhone 7 keynotes because I don't see myself committing to just one OS. I don't have issues switching back and forth.

Some argue iMessage is a reason... but none of my iPhone family/friends care if my text bubble is green or blue. Most of my friends and family that own iPhones have unlimited text anyway. The only people that complain are my international friends, but they mostly use whatsapp or hangouts. Facetime is another... I hardly ever facetime friends or family... I don't want to see their faces... and I know they don't want to see mine... LOL. The only people I like to facetime with are wife and kids. That isn't an issue... we have hangouts to video call if we really need to... or I'll just use my iPad. I use a 3rd party 1TB cloud that syncs pictures automatically from my iDevices and my S7 Edge... and it's cheaper than iCloud. My wife uses Amazon to sync her pics... and she is using a iPhone 6s. As for music... I use Apple Music on my S7 Edge and 6+. I don't download music or movies/videos anymore. Streaming is the norm for me now... UDP helps. Some carriers even let you stream some services without counting against your data bucket. Download music and movies is waste of storage space for me now.

I think iOS does better in performance, but I giggle a little at the Samsung vs iPhone speed test app race videos. Building computers, overclocking, and benchmarking is one of my hobbies (rig in sig). Most benchmarkers look at scores based on screen resolution monitors. Want a good score? lower your resolution. Doesn't bother me how long an app opens when it loads high graphics on higher resolution screens... if it performs the same on both devices after it's opened... it doesn't matter. Only thing that matters is what resolution do you want to enjoy the app in? I personally don't have a preference between my iPhone and S7 Edge screens... so I would prefer apps opening faster. However, I don't open apps side by side with my S7 Edge and 6+... so I don't notice the difference.

As for the iPhone 7... I liked what the direction Apple is going on the future of the iPhone. I would have preferred a newer design since I had the 6+ since launch. The missing thing I think that would have made the iPhone 7 complete is fast wireless charging. That at least would have given us an option to charge while using the lightning port with the wired ear buds... or 3.5mm headphones via lightning adapter. Fast wireless charging is probably my favorite feature on the S7 Edge. I don't even use the charge port for charging... the only time I use the port is when I use my Gear VR.

Personally... if you feel iOS is better for you... the iPhone 7 isn't a bad phone. On the other hand, the Note 7 is a really nice phone... so why not enjoy it for a year. I don't think it's a bad thing if people skip the iPhone 7... if Apple loses enough regular iPhone customers this time around... they might push harder to innovate on the next iPhone to win our business back next year. I'm looking forward to 2017 iPhone... but I'll enjoy my S7 Edge and 6+ until then.
 
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Neebee said:
Samsung makes some hardware components for Apple. Unfortunately, you're cherry picking with your arguments. Let's stick with innovation. The iPhone has looked rather boring for quite some time in many people's eyes.

I agree, Apple's CPU is better than Samsung (both SD and Exynos).Depending on the benchmarks, Samsung's CPU is better than the SD. However, faster CPUS is no being innovative. Hardware consists of more than the CPU. Memory management is a result of the software, not hardware. Speakers? Seriously, you're bringing up external stereo speakers? Samsung cameras are really good and have traditionally been better than Apple's, it shall remain to be seen how it compares with Apple now.

Bro, have a look here to expand your mind: http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/24/apple-lacks-innovation-it-copies-expert.html
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Designing world-leading CPUs isn't innovation (because its inconvenient to your narrative) but buying camera sensors from Sony is (actually some are Samsung sensors apparently. Talk about component lotteries) :rolleyes:
 
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Neebee said:
Samsung makes some hardware components for Apple. Unfortunately, you're cherry picking with your arguments. Let's stick with innovation. The iPhone has looked rather boring for quite some time in many people's eyes.

I agree, Apple's CPU is better than Samsung (both SD and Exynos).Depending on the benchmarks, Samsung's CPU is better than the SD. However, faster CPUS is no being innovative. Hardware consists of more than the CPU. Memory management is a result of the software, not hardware. Speakers? Seriously, you're bringing up external stereo speakers? Samsung cameras are really good and have traditionally been better than Apple's, it shall remain to be seen how it compares with Apple now.

Bro, have a look here to expand your mind: http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/24/apple-lacks-innovation-it-copies-expert.html
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Samsung is made of many divisions. The part that manufactured parts (such as some of last years A9 chips) for Apple have nothing at all to do with the division that develops/designs their phones.

Yes I mention speakers, because guess what? That's hardware, and never claimed that as innovative. Just hardware that is better.

Are you seriously going with its physical look as "not being innovative"? I guess you haven't looked at nearly all Note or Galaxy phones? They all pretty closely resemble each other and almost always have.

To me innovating is adding new or improving existing tech that requires impressive engineering to achieve, and doing it right. Not the look of a device.

You still haven't mentioned anything Samsung has done innovating or engineering wise recently or ever that comes close to the innovation and engineering that was done in last years 3D Touch.
 
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