Basically comes down how you want to present/twist the numbers: You could look at is as "andriod has lost 9% market share between 2018 to 2022" or "andriod has essentially twice the market share as ios in europe"....which proves the point The-Real-Deal82 was making...
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Basically comes down how you want to present/twist the numbers: You could look at is as "andriod has lost 9% market share between 2018 to 2022" or "andriod has essentially twice the market share as ios in europe"....which proves the point The-Real-Deal82 was making...
The point he was very clearly trying to make, as it was what he said, is that Europe just isn’t interested in iPhones. And yet just 4 years ago 1:4 phones sold in Europe was an iPhone. Now they are selling better than 1:3. I would not call a growing over third of the market, controlled by a singular company, to be explained as “disinterest” by consumers. Android services 2 customers for every 1 of apples, across countless brands, hundreds of models all on different versions of the OS and getting different support. And yet they are losing market share in current Europe, while still producing far less economic value.
I don’t see how that is “winning”. When your OS competitor has been silently eroding away your user base, and that brand still hold the vast majority of the market segments profits, I don’t see how saying “don’t worry we lost nearly 10% of the European market, but that is irrelevant because we still have twice as much!!!” isn't anything more than internal propaganda meant for either employees or influencers/super fans. Trying to paint market share erosion as android “winning” just seems strange. Dominant, for sure, in regards to hardware market share. Not so much in the case of device revenue or ability to monetize their base for app sales. Most people wouldn’t define “winning” as “significant market share loss to our sole competitor who already owns hardware profits and has sole control over their app ecosystem” with nothing to show for it other than not having lost enough to be displaced.
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I'm confused; initially it was:
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They are 2 very different statements...?
Now it's:
They are 2 very different statements...?
Mate, I'll be honest; I don't think anyone (bar you) gives two poos whether the iPhone gains or loses market share in Europe (or not). Better off not worrying about what phones are being sold in a country you don't live in, and get on with living your life.
i would guess the Europeans on here care that keep spouting false information on every thread about it. So it’s clearly not just me. Fact of the matter is, iPhones are INCREASING, not decreasing, in popularity over the past few years. Which is contrary to the narrative that “I never see anyone with them in Europe except work phones“ “iPhones are too expensive in Europe” “Europeans don’t desire iPhones as much”. All statements made to lead the reader to to believe iPhones aren’t popular in Europe, despite having over a third of the market and growing.
As to the “desire” statement. That is even more unfounded. Desires are a feeling and have no direct link to sales. You can purchase a significantly less expensive (on average) android while still “desiring“ an iPhone. So really, the people I’m responding to directly in this thread care not for facts. I present facts, and you guys try and deflect with feelings and personal anecdotes. Provide facts, not feelings. Because thats all I’m getting from you and the rest of this brigade. 🙄😂
Yeah, if Apple was going to pull out of anything related to regulations in the EU, that means they’d pull out of the 27 EU countries, not Europe in total. Mainly because the EU regulations only apply to those EU countries. Pulling out of EU countries at this point keeps them IN the UK. And, I think the UK has actually gone on record as specifically not being for what the EU was pushing in this area.
And I should say, this is NOT something that’s going to happen. As a thinking experiment, I just think it’s interesting to consider if there would be a big change in either what the EU does or what Apple does as a result (and I’m thinking it wouldn’t be a huge change on either side).
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EU regulations like USB-C applies to the UK?
UK will not copy EU demand for common charging cable
The EU has provisionally agreed new mobile devices must, by autumn 2024, use the same type of charger.
www.bbc.com
But, how much of that “third of Apple’s revenue” comes specifically from those 19 countries? Excluding the UK? We don’t know. Apple doesn’t “need” the EU and the EU doesn’t “need” Apple. In this reality, nothing like this would even happen, but an Apple with over $200 billion dollars in revenue WITHOUT the EU certainly wouldn’t “need” the EU.
Someone else was thinking that the customers in the EU would care. I tend to think not. It’s not like the device they have would disappear and, when they need to replace it, that there wouldn’t be other options, they’d just buy whatever they have access to. An EU without Apple wouldn’t significantly be different than today.
Precisely. Nothing ground breaking or relevant. Other folks think different.
Why and which 19 countries?
There are 27 EU member states.
Actually... I'm very certain they'll apply to at least the three non-EU states that are in the EEA (even though, admittedly, Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein only have a combined population shy of 6 million).
And Switzerland... I'll guarantee they won't get other iPhone models either, considering they're integrated and supplied from EU member states for Apple products and parts.
I think every generation is the generation that can see the day of world collapse. So will the next one.
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Good point. So, just for purposes of the thinking experiment, I’d say including these non-EU states wouldn’t be “out of bounds”.
EU regulations like USB-C applies to the UK?
The UK doesn’t think so.UK will not copy EU demand for common charging cable
The EU has provisionally agreed new mobile devices must, by autumn 2024, use the same type of charger.
But, how much of that “third of Apple’s revenue” comes specifically from those 19 countries? Excluding the UK? We don’t know. Apple doesn’t “need” the EU and the EU doesn’t “need” Apple. In this reality, nothing like this would even happen, but an Apple with over $200 billion dollars in revenue WITHOUT the EU certainly wouldn’t “need” the EU.
I think if that were the case then Apple may have pulled out of Europe long ago if they felt they didn’t need an additional $92bn a year. Sounds absolutely absurd when it’s put like that though doesn’t it?
i would guess the Europeans on here care that keep spouting false information on every thread about it. So it’s clearly not just me. Fact of the matter is, iPhones are INCREASING, not decreasing, in popularity over the past few years. Which is contrary to the narrative that “I never see anyone with them in Europe except work phones“ “iPhones are too expensive in Europe” “Europeans don’t desire iPhones as much”. All statements made to lead the reader to to believe iPhones aren’t popular in Europe, despite having over a third of the market and growing.
As to the “desire” statement. That is even more unfounded. Desires are a feeling and have no direct link to sales. You can purchase a significantly less expensive (on average) android while still “desiring“ an iPhone. So really, the people I’m responding to directly in this thread care not for facts. I present facts, and you guys try and deflect with feelings and personal anecdotes. Provide facts, not feelings. Because thats all I’m getting from you and the rest of this brigade.
iPhones certainly are desired in Europe otherwise they wouldn’t be sold here. Android is the dominant platform on mainland Europe but the iPhone enjoys a healthy popularity, especially in the UK which remains Apples biggest European market. I don’t think many smartphone users worry about Apples or any other manufacturers revenue though when choosing a device, I know I don’t. It’s something I don’t really think about at all in fact. I’m seeing some in my social and working groups try Android of late, but that’s where the deals are lately as the iPhone has gone up in price and we don’t get the generous deals that many on MR claim occur in the US.
My point about ‘desire’ of the iPhone being less than the US is entirely true based on Android having over twice as many users. It’s much a different way in the US and it’s all down to market preference. I’m in the camp where I prefer the iPhone and most people I know are too at this point. Trends do change though.
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Does this kind of law hinder technology innovation? What happens related to the next type of USB that uses a different (better?) connector -- is it forbidden? Does every future connector need to have backwards compatibility with USB-C? Or does it push everything to wireless in the future?
Apple’s not going to pull out of Europe. However, if Apple did, Apple would take a hit of around $92bn (could be much less as “Europe”, as Apple reports it, is more than just countries in the EU), Europe wouldn’t have Apple products or services, and they’d both just continue to exist as two mutually exclusive entities.
Asked and answered multiple times already in this thread and in other threads about this subject.
Yea the only thing I say about this is when Apple says they are "forced". Pulling out of Brazil and/or EU is a CHOICE. It may be a poor choice, but it is still a choice.
Agree. Not that I've had either physically break, but if it broke on USB-C, it would break the phone instead of the cable which you can replace easily. The worst I've had Lighting break is fraying on A>L or pins not working anymore. I never knew until the other day that iPhone only had pins on one side, so now I understand why some older cables only work one way
Why didn't you reply directly to one of those comments rather than make this post? 🤷♂️
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Probably because most of these „attackers“ are United-States Americans.
This regulation directly impacts how Apple‘s products are „Designed in California“.
But it doesn’t impact US assembly and manufacturing - cause no one manufactures iPhones in the US.
I would, however, be very interested in the reactions, if the US instituted a requirement (or sufficiently high tariffs) to „encourage“ or force domestic production. I’m sure the reactions would be fun to watch.
Though everyone would be worse off.
👉 The millions of iPhones sold in Europe contribute their margins to Apple towards Apple covering its fixed and development costs - even for customers elsewhere in the world.
Sure, Apple could simply decide to earn less money for its shareholders (with a negative effect on the stock price). If they don‘t, they’ll have to compensate by raising prices elsewhere - and/or lowering development costs.
Well poo guess they're not silent anymore
But that's okay, because now the fun can begin 😈
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