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I may not even upgrade past the 15 pm/ios 17 since I hate USB c and these future rumored iOS 18 charges.
I see. I hate needing to carry dedicated cable for Apple stuff, so there it goes. USB-C is not perfect, but then Apple refuses to benefit USB-C with their lightning physical design.
Wish they would but then who will run and make draconian changes when you complain iOS is not like lagdroid and is still a closed platform like it always has been.
Same old people sitting in the board room today. Except they don’t have to respond to shareholder anymore, and enjoy far less scrutiny than today from no longer being a publicly traded company.
 
Because you only deal with one store and one store owner for every possible software which could be distributed to consumers (en masse).

Just take a look at macOS for a more complex system which is more difficult to use.
Oh no it’s so hard to find the app I want to use at the website of the vendor. No one could ever figure it out!
 
Having 3rd party app stores is really looking like a crapshow. Saw that coming a mile away. More of a garbage experience than anything else. Really struggling to see ANY sort of benefit from this bs mandate.
Why, this is for those who have a Patreon account. If I had a Patreon account, I would be delighted to get an App from a store that does not charge the developer 30% again (don't know what the terms of integration between Patreon and Altstore are). I am sure it will not be 30%.
 
Oh no it’s so hard to find the app I want to use at the website of the vendor. No one could ever figure it out!
Oh no, maybe people like having everything come from one place instead of having to go to multiple places. Ever consider that? Is it difficult to get apps on the Mac? No. Is it annoying having to go to multiple places to get apps and would it be much more convenient to be able to get them all in one place? Absolutely! The app experience on Mac would be FAR BETTER if the ONLY place I had to go was the App Store. But no, instead, I have to go to multiple vendor websites for multiple apps. None from the same place and my payment information has to be put out into even more places.

The app experience on Mac is absolute crap and something I don’t want to have to deal with on my phone.
 
That or it benefits the EU financially. See Spotify.
That’s exactly what it does. Look no further than the fact that the EU keeps threatening to fine based on “worldwide” revenue…something they should have absolutely ZERO right to. The EU should be limited to issuing fines based on revenue from within their economic area. Anything outside of that makes it look like exactly what it is…a money grab.
 
Oh no, maybe people like having everything come from one place instead of having to go to multiple places.

Well, sorry. You can’t always get what you want. Apple has been running the App Store since 2008 and they showed everyone they can’t do it without self-dealing and egregious mismanagement constantly reported by app developers

Democracy has spoken. People don’t like the way it is and we want it to change

The app experience on Mac is absolute crap and something I don’t want to have to deal with on my phone.

That’s a huge exaggeration
 
Well, sorry. You can’t always get what you want. Apple has been running the App Store since 2008 and they showed everyone they can’t do it without self-dealing and egregious mismanagement constantly reported by app developers

Democracy has spoken. People don’t like the way it is and we want it to change
Now that’s funny 😂😂😂 What people? “We” who? Because outside of MR…I’m sure you’ll find it very difficult to find ANYONE in the average user base who actually wants this.

Constantly reported by developers? Which ones? If it’s constantly reported, you should have no trouble providing examples other than Meta, Epic, and Spotify. Show me the small developers who screamed so loudly for this. I won’t hold my breath.

Democracy didn’t speak here. A power hungry government did. Democracy speaking would be the majority of the user base calling for this and it happening. But that’s not what happened. Democracy isn’t a government forcing their will in an “our way or else” manner with zero consideration of potential risks and consequences. This wasn’t “democracy speaking”. This was clear government overreach. End of story. Have a nice night.
 
Now that’s funny 😂😂😂 What people? “We” who? Because outside of MR…I’m sure you’ll find it very difficult to find ANYONE in the average user base who actually wants this.

Constantly reported by developers? Which ones? If it’s constantly reported, you should have no trouble providing examples other than Meta, Epic, and Spotify. Show me the small developers who screamed so loudly for this. I won’t hold my breath.

Democracy didn’t speak here. A power hungry government did. Democracy speaking would be the majority of the user base calling for this and it happening. But that’s not what happened. Democracy isn’t a government forcing their will in an “our way or else” manner with zero consideration of potential risks and consequences. This wasn’t “democracy speaking”. This was clear government overreach. End of story. Have a nice night.
Damn, it’s kinda crazy how all of the people that deal with this kind of thing professionally don’t seem to agree with you. If only they had consulted with you first we could have avoided this whole ugly misunderstanding.
 
That’s exactly what it does. Look no further than the fact that the EU keeps threatening to fine based on “worldwide” revenue…something they should have absolutely ZERO right to. The EU should be limited to issuing fines based on revenue from within their economic area. Anything outside of that makes it look like exactly what it is…a money grab.
Make apple a private company or petition Apple to pull out of EU entirely. Or do both. After then, EU cannot demand Apple to do whatever EU likes, I am confident.
 
Since a lot of people need to understand or have basic business acumen. Most developers will not make more money selling directly or placing their app in a lower volume App Store. Let us look at the numbers: say you sell your app for $5, average about 5,000 downloads a month from the Apple App Store, and pay a 15% commission. So that is a gross of $25,000 and a net of $21,250. Now, let's say you can get about 1,000 monthly sales from a store that only changes 5%. So that is a gross of $5000 and a net of $4,750, which is a difference of $16,500.
Just as with real world brick and mortar stores.
As a creator it would make the most sense to have your creations for sale in as many stores as possible to reach as many potential customers as possible.
So let's say in the next 5 years there is the Apple app store and a dozen smaller 3rd party stores.
Well then it would beneficial to ensure your app is available to download from all of these different areas.

There would be no reason to restrict yourself to just one, and miss out on some potential sales.
 
People will eventually get spooked from using AltStores for the lack of security protections. Imagine one AltStore inadvertrently passes a fake banking app and some dude gets his life savings taken and it hits the headlines. AltStores will be quickly done and everyone will avoid. Apple will just say well we told you so looking directly at the EU. Yeah I see peope who have a half a brain not using AltStores either.
 
8+5 is 13% on the higher end. What a shemozzel this is.
Having 3rd party app stores is really looking like a crapshow. Saw that coming a mile away. More of a garbage experience than anything else. Really struggling to see ANY sort of benefit from this bs mandate.
Benefiting everyone but the user.
 
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Democracy has spoken. People don’t like the way it is and we want it to change
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Thanks for bringing this up. There is an upcoming election to the EU parliament. I have searched for how the current MPs voted for the DMA but I haven't been able to find it. I would appreciate if anyone could share a link as it would influence how I will vote in the election. Thanks.
 
Thanks for bringing this up. There is an upcoming election to the EU parliament. I have searched for how the current MPs voted for the DMA but I haven't been able to find it. I would appreciate if anyone could share a link as it would influence how I will vote in the election. Thanks.

It should be this vote:

For: 588. Against: 11. Abstentions: 31. In total, 630 MEPs voted. 75 MEPs didn’t vote.

Check the link for vote info for individual MEPs, political groups or countries.
 
Having 3rd party app stores is really looking like a crapshow. Saw that coming a mile away. More of a garbage experience than anything else. Really struggling to see ANY sort of benefit from this bs mandate.

Then don’t install 3rd party app stores.

Apple is mandated to allow other app stores, but users aren’t mandated to use them.

(Digital) Costumers being able to choose from a wide variety of (digital) goods from a wide variety of (digital) stores. Thats what a free market is about.
 
I’m sure the open source developers I was referring to would be thrilled about their work being shared over torrents as it would help minimize the overhead cost of storage and bandwidth.
And everyone else?
 
Some of you focus on this too much on this, together with article 6(7).

This part of the DMA deals with interoperability with features also used by the gatekeeper for complementary services. It also only applies to alternate service and hardware providers and not necessarily all business users.

The EU Commission isn't investigating Apple at all when it comes to article 6(7). Not even for the core developer fee.
No, the preamble describes the purpose and meaning of the legislation and guidelines for its interpretation

The Commission has opened proceedings to assess whether the measures implemented by Alphabet and Apple in relation to their obligations pertaining to app stores are in breach of the DMA. Article 5(4) of the DMA requires gatekeepers to allow app developers to "steer" consumers to offers outside the gatekeepers' app stores, free of charge.
 
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