AMD Confirms RX 480 At $199 USD, Other APU & Polaris Announcements

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

Still behind the 1080Ti but if they can get power consumption and price down it could sell well

http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-vega-ben...nfirmed-1630mhz-8gb-hbm2-484gbs-of-bandwidth/

 

[koyoot]

We will see. I would not hope for any other price that 599-699$. 599$ for Air cooled version, 699$ for water cooled.

Vega Nano price will be very interesting.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

We will see. I would not hope for any other price that 599-699$. 599$ for Air cooled version, 699$ for water cooled.

Vega Nano price will be very interesting.

At that price very few will buy. When a new card isn't as fast as a few older cards then people will hold their money and wait for a more substantial improvement.

 

[BB8]

the prices may well be that high just by virtue of AMD having barely any supply to work with.

 

[koyoot]

http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2977-vega-fe-vs-fury-x-at-same-clocks-ipc

Per clock Vega Fe is faster than Fiji in Compute.

In gaming it shows decrease per clock.


One more thing. Afterthought that came to me is that previous generations of GCN in compute were slightly faster than Maxwell/Pascal GPUs. Those results show that Vega is really on par in FP32 with GP100 and GV100 chips, core for core, clock for clock.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

the prices may well be that high just by virtue of AMD having barely any supply to work with.

The tragedy is all these people rushing to buy RX 400/500 cards because they are ignorant about how those cards are about to lose 30% performance on top of the difficulty bomb which is just so high right now that no new miner can make a profit (impossible). New Ethereum/Bitcoin players are buying the tokens outright on Exchanges because its cheaper than mining.

When all these new customers find out they made a stupid investment, they will be forced to compete with each other to sell the cards to the public who will demand prices in line with the original RRP, not the inflated prices wannabe miners paid for. What a disaster! The GPU industry did nothing to warn customers this could happen because they were loving the sales.
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http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2977-vega-fe-vs-fury-x-at-same-clocks-ipc

Per clock Vega Fe is faster than Fiji in Compute.

In gaming it shows decrease per clock.

That's nothing new. On Nvidia's side they had to increase clocks a lot. At same clocks they would have showed basically no gaming progress in 3-4 years.

 

[koyoot]

That's nothing new. On Nvidia's side they had to increase clocks a lot. At same clocks they would have showed basically no gaming progress in 3-4 years.

Not only in gaming, but also in compute.

Consumer Pascal GPUs are using Maxwell architecture, on 14 nm process.

This is different. Gaming part should also show increases in performance. But they are not.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

There will be hundreds of RX
400-500 cards dumped on eBay after the coming Eth mining crash in the next 2-3 months. I would wait for that if you want to save money or buy an eGPU after High Sierra releases.

 

[devon807]

There will be hundreds of RX
400-500 cards dumped on eBay after the coming Eth mining crash in the next 2-3 months. I would wait for that if you want to save money or buy an eGPU after High Sierra releases.

+1 to this, hell maybe even sooner with Eth going down in price more every day.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

+1 to this, hell maybe even sooner with Eth going down in price more every day.

More info about the impending Polaris mining doom

 

[devon807]

More info about the impending Polaris mining doom

This doesn't look good for miners. Also, looks as if Nvidia card (1070-1080) sales will spike as the RX 4xx-5xx drop in performance.

 

[tuxon86]

There will be hundreds of RX
400-500 cards dumped on eBay after the coming Eth mining crash in the next 2-3 months. I would wait for that if you want to save money or buy an eGPU after High Sierra releases.

Just mailed mine today to the guy who bought it on ebay. I paid about $340Cdn for my Powercolor RX 480 8GB and sold it for $400US. Now I'll save this money for the upcoming Volta serie or for a 1080ti if I find a good deal.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

This doesn't look good for miners. Also, looks as if Nvidia card (1070-1080) sales will spike as the RX 4xx-5xx drop in performance.

If wannabe miners understand that the difficulty of mining has become so high that switching to another card or building a new rig won't make money back for months or ever. Then there shouldn't be a spike. But if people are greedy and stupid and don't do their homework then there will be a sales spike again.

Basically we're going to see a lot of new miners crying in pain. Some say they can switch to another token - but they're all very low in value and just for scamming and speculation.

There is one sensible alternative called Gridcoin which can be earned by doing useful stuff like science and SETI work. But I don't think many miners want to contribute to science. I see the chat room on Poloniex and the people there are some kind of troll wing of the libertarian movement with stupid conspiracies in their heads.
[doublepost=1499283874][/doublepost]LMAO. Look what else mining has done to the industry. This is what happens when there's a gold rush. Fool's gold!

 

[devon807]

If wannabe miners understand that the difficulty of mining has become so high that switching to another card or building a new rig won't make money back for months or ever. Then there shouldn't be a spike. But if people are greedy and stupid and don't do their homework then there will be a sales spike again.

Only time will tell. Hopefully this will all be over soon .

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

Only time will tell. Hopefully this will all be over soon .

Look at what I just posted in the update above!

 

[koyoot]

It is quite interesting to get a mail from a friend who has Frontier Edition, and says that lowering the core clock to 1.4 GHz(locking it at 1.4 GHz) turns power consumption to 215-230W range.

What do you guys think. Is it possible for Vega to run at 1.2 GHz in 150W TDP?

 

[devon807]

Look at what I just posted in the update above!

Extremely upsetting indeed. Good thing AMD is stepping up and rolling out new code that limits miners.

It is quite interesting to get a mail from a friend who has Frontier Edition, and says that lowering the core clock to 1.4 GHz(locking it at 1.4 GHz) turns power consumption to 215-230W range.

What do you guys think. Is it possible for Vega to run at 1.2 GHz in 150W TDP?

It may make it only a slight bit faster than an RX 580 (maybe) I'm not sure, have to do more research. From what I know so far, It seems like Vega FE is overpriced for what it is. Anyways, if a Vega could run at 150W TDP that would make it an extremely viable option for cMP users, granted that the price isn't to insane.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

It is quite interesting to get a mail from a friend who has Frontier Edition, and says that lowering the core clock to 1.4 GHz(locking it at 1.4 GHz) turns power consumption to 215-230W range.

What do you guys think. Is it possible for Vega to run at 1.2 GHz in 150W TDP?

Afterburner (Windows) has undervolting settings for AMD cards. You can knock off about 25-30% power consumption.


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Extremely upsetting indeed. Good thing AMD is stepping up and rolling out new code that limits miners.

It's not code that will limit the RX Polaris cards. It's the size of the memory bus in relation to the growing size of the DAG (this is the mining data that is loaded into VRAM).

The DAG is growing all the time. Right now it takes 2.5GB of VRAM so 2GB mining cards were killed off months ago.

But as the DAG grows it needs very fast low latency VRAM and a wide bus. The RX Polaris cards have a narrower bus than Pascal, Fiji of Hawaii.

 

[devon807]

Afterburner has undervolting settings for AMD cards. You can knock off about 25-30% power consumption.
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It's not code that will limit the RX Polaris cards. It's the size of the memory bus in relation to the growing size of the DAG (this is the mining data that is loaded into VRAM).

The DAG is growing all the time. Right now it takes 2.5GB of VRAM so 2GB mining cards were killed off months ago.

But as the DAG grows it needs very fast low latency VRAM and a wide bus. The RX Polaris cards have a narrower bus than Pascal, Fiji of Hawaii.

Right, thank you. I believe that once DAG reaches EPOCH 190 RX Polaris cards will be less effective causing miners to jump the Polaris "Ship" and move to other platforms.

 

[jeanlain]

It may make it only a slight bit faster than an RX 580 (maybe) I'm not sure

It's about as fast as an FuryX at similar clock speed (1050 MHz), so it would be quite a bit faster than an RX 580 at 1200 MHz, since the 580 is slower than a Fury.

 

[Strelok]

It is quite interesting to get a mail from a friend who has Frontier Edition, and says that lowering the core clock to 1.4 GHz(locking it at 1.4 GHz) turns power consumption to 215-230W range.

What do you guys think. Is it possible for Vega to run at 1.2 GHz in 150W TDP?

What happened to the memory clocks when it was downclocked? The one review I read said the memory would basically downclock to half the speed anytime the core clock or voltages were altered in any way.

 

[devon807]

It's about as fast as an FuryX at similar clock speed (1050 MHz), so it would be quite a bit faster than an RX 580 at 1200 MHz, since the 580 is slower than a Fury.

Ahh, ok. Sorry, was basing off of an OC'ed 580 (1147 MHz)

 

[v0lume4]

I've considered an AMD build (Ryzen + Vega) at some point in the future. For those of you that have purchased recent AMD GPU's (or better yet, those of you who have the Vega FE card), I am curious as to whether AMD graphics cards are still run as hot as furnaces? My perspective of AMD cards could be entirely wrong as I typically keep up with nVidia cards, but don't AMD cards typically run hot? Or is it just that one card that AMD released that gave their GPU's a bad rep (the name of that card escapes me)*?

*edit - The card I was referring to is the R9-290X from years ago

 

[Strelok]

I've considered an AMD build (Ryzen + Vega) at some point in the future. For those of you that have purchased recent AMD GPU's (or better yet, those of you who have the Vega FE card), I am curious as to whether AMD graphics cards are still run as hot as furnaces? My perspective of AMD cards could be entirely wrong as I typically keep up with nVidia cards, but don't AMD cards typically run hot? Or is it just that one card that AMD released that gave their GPU's a bad rep (the name of that card escapes me)?

You’re thinking of the R9 290X. I don’t think they are as bad anymore, but it really depends on the power consumption. Keep in mind that a card running at 90C and using 150W will heat up your room less than a card running at 60C but using 300W. Also there are always aftermarket cards if you are concerned about a hot GPU, although they won’t help keep your room cool.