Cry me a river...
So your confirmation of a rumor is a post, from yourself in this forum... And you don't see how this is ridiculous!
Man, get over yourself already.
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Cry me a river...
So your confirmation of a rumor is a post, from yourself in this forum... And you don't see how this is ridiculous!
Man, get over yourself already.
Why would I?
If it come out then it will be a real tangible product and worthy of discussion. Until then, at best, it's another of AMD over promising technology or performance compared to the real thing or at worst, another forum fabulation and tripping on paper spec that either have any incidence in real applications or outright silly marketing blurbs taken for reality.
Again, only for you. Again you have completely misunderstood what is Black Edition. It is unlocked version of the CPU. Perfect for Overclockers.
AMD does not promise here anything. You can take it however you want.
Once again. If you are not interested in the thread, do not post in it, do not read it. Otherwise you only are crapping it.
If you'd all relax a bit. The best thing that could happen is Zen being very good and capable of keeping up with Intel. A stretch, I know, but a good one. It'll force Intel into a price war, one that's passed onto the customer. Hopefully. It's in everyone's best interests.
Like Apple passes along cost savings these days.... not. Best case more likely is that Apple adds a higher value component in to offset the drop in CPU package component price. Worse case Apple keeps the prices and components the same and takes higher profit off of fewer customers.
AMD is hoping Zen will allow them to slightly increase their average prices. Intel may stop kneecapping their designs in some areas where they try to create gratuitous market segmentation. I don't see them itching to make dramatic price cuts either (at least over most of the upper half of the product catalog).
Well, I meant us PC users... Intel will be moving to 6 core mainstream in 1.5-2 years. I can't recall the reasoning behind the move. Right now the only way to get 6 core is going by the chipseries-E and other methods. I think the cheapest six core is around $470.
Cannonlake CPUs will offer 4 core i3s, 6 core i5's, 8 core i7's.
Thank for this to Zen architecture.
Nothing what I will write will change your mind. But that shows your problem, with the brand itself, rather than reality, and what we know about the CPUs.
Want to know why Intel strikes with 4/6/8 core setups on mainstream?
Because Zen will START at 4 cores, and will go to 8 cores. Potentially, 4 core/8 thread CPUs will be priced at Core i3 levels, but that remains to be seen. As I have already said many times, clock for clock, the architecture is on Haswell/Broadwell level. So the only thing we do not know are final clocks of the silicon.
Intel has changed roadmaps for CPUs, and ported Cannonlake architecture with 6 core offering to 14 nm, just to counter Zen.
People genuinely underestimate AMD, as a brand. Thats why they have hard time of believing that Zen CAN be very good architecture.
It has pragmatically already happened.....
Look at Xeon-D line up.
http://ark.intel.com/products/family/87041/Intel-Xeon-Processor-D-Family#@Server
There is a $349 6 core option. [ Yes, there is no iGPU there and it isn't mainstream, but it isn't like Intel hasn't been laying the ground work here even before all the drumbeat on Zen got loud. ]
What Intel has been doing is allocating most of the increase in transistor budget to the iGPU and fixed function video portion with each new process shrink. Intel has largely caught up with AMD on the iGPU front. That means the bulk of the transistor budget doesn't have to go to the graphics subsystem at this point. That is true whether Zen makes it to market or not.
For example here is one of the Gen 7 (Kaby Lake ) dies:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10610...six-notebook-skus-desktop-coming-in-january/2
At this point the GPU floor plan allocation is bigger than the CPU allocation. Even at 4 cores the GPU is bigger (you can fit two of those CPU pairs in that GPU floor plan. ). At this point an incrementally improved iGPU perhaps coupled to even more affordable eDRAM would have a bigger bang for the buck than throwing the majority of the transistor budget increase at the GPU. ( more GPU computation function units that you can't feed through the memory subsystem doesn't do a whole lot for performance increase. )
The other factor is that apps and core OS processes have finally gotten to the point of more reasonably taking advantage of 4 cores. Intel thread tools are better and the optimizers are more broadly distributed.
P.S. Zen will probably have some impact on pricing but Intel has gliding into this path for a while now. Zen's x86 cores may be a bit smaller to offset Intel's transistor budget advantage, but it isn't like Intel scrapped everything and rebuilt from ground up due to the Zen threat. Zen has a chance to be a decent competitor. That is probably good for both Intel and AMD long term.
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We don't know that. Let's wait for an actual product with independent benchmarks.
Actually, we know. 2.9 GHz CPU scored 58 FPS in Ashes of Singularity benchmark.
Haswell 4770, 3.4 GHz CPU scored in the same benchmark 65 FPS.
The game scales only with 4 cores, however it can load all 12 cores/24 threads you can have in your computer. But after 4 cores it becomes GPU bound.
So we know that the architecture is on the same level as Haswell/Broadwell. And at the end, we have the Blender Benchmark that AMD demoed the CPUs, in which clock for clock, the Zen CPU edged out the 6900K.
Do you have a benchmark where the hardware could be independently inspected? Do you have a benchmark that wasn't conducted by AMD? Do you have a benchmark that was on final product as opposed to engineering samples?
No. No. No.
Let's wait for an actual product with independent benchmarks.
I understand that you want AMD to be competitive again. Me too. Let's wait for the evidence before loudly proclaiming it though.
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I do not want them to be competitive. They are/will be with Zen. Benchmarks will just show that.
It may be fake, speculation, or anything else, however I will post this anyway:
http://carbonite.co.za/f20/amd-zen-141214/
http://carbonite.co.za/f20/amd-zen-141214/index3.html#post974028
Edit: one more link: http://carbonite.co.za/f20/amd-zen-141214/index2.html#post973197
http://carbonite.co.za/f20/amd-zen-141214/
http://carbonite.co.za/f20/amd-zen-141214/index3.html#post974028
Cube, you were asking about why Zen CPUs are not compatible with AM3+ motherboards. Well, if Zen is SoC system, like it is rumored in the information in the links, and has its own BIOS built in the CPU itself - that explains everything.
Edit: one more link: http://carbonite.co.za/f20/amd-zen-141214/index2.html#post973197
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It appears that AMD have made two tape-outs of Zen, on 14 nm FinFET, and... 16 nm FF+.
http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=272475&postcount=358
And all of the A0 Eng Samples are made on 14 nm GloFo process. The topic of loosing up Wafer Supply Agreement now makes more sense, in this context.
Edit: Im sure this news will make some people here happy: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...d-micro-devices-buyout-seeks-hardware-play-vr
Oracle supposed to buy AMD. That may be huge news.
http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=272475&postcount=358
And all of the A0 Eng Samples are made on 14 nm GloFo process. The topic of loosing up Wafer Supply Agreement now makes more sense, in this context.
Edit: Im sure this news will make some people here happy: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...d-micro-devices-buyout-seeks-hardware-play-vr
Oracle supposed to buy AMD. That may be huge news.
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...and disastrous for people who like AMD/ATI/RTG. It would be over.
There used to be a big company called "Sun Microsystems". Then Oracle bought them....
Speaking of...
http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=276505&postcount=4162
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Note: Xbox One APU uses GPU from Vega architecture.