No need for T-Bolt if the system has PCIe slotsYes, it would be interesting, but how many of those who would appreciate 8 cores would be willing to give up Thunderbolt, which you'd have to do if used a non-Intel processor?
No need for T-Bolt if the system has PCIe slotsYes, it would be interesting, but how many of those who would appreciate 8 cores would be willing to give up Thunderbolt, which you'd have to do if used a non-Intel processor?
A lot of people could just do with USB 3.1, similarly to the Macbook.
Good point. USB killed 1394, now it may kill T-Bolt. (And USB doesn't have the unfortunate requirement to carry DisplayPort signals.)A lot of people could just do with USB 3.1, similarly to the Macbook.
No need for T-Bolt if the system has PCIe slots
That is not true. I have a Phenom II X6 since 2010 and I will next buy an 8-core AMD as I don't want Intel. I already bought a USB 3.1 card if FX becomes really cheap, as I don't even have an aftermarket cooler.Correct, but those same people would also be happy with a weaker processor, like on MacBook, and would not pay extra for 8 cores.
Just catching up with this discussion, but wondering why is this relevant for Mac Pro or Mac in general. Until there's a replacement for Thunderbolt or Apple stops supporting extensions of any kind, Apple will keep using Intel processors, for good or bad. The APU could be nice, but has Apple made ANY indication that it's interested in that market? I can't find anything, and I'm happy to be corrected, in the current offerings on hardware & software side suggesting that Apple is interested in anyone except mass market home & office users.
That is not true. I have a Phenom II X6 since 2010 and I will next buy an 8-core AMD as I don't want Intel. I already bought a USB 3.1 card if FX becomes really cheap, as I don't even have an aftermarket cooler.
In some cases even shedding 100 MHz from core, can result in 100W lower power draw.
Compare 7970 GHZ edition, with D700. Same GPU's, one clocked at 1000 MHz, second one clocked at 850 MHz, and the difference around 100W lower power consumption of D700 .
IMHO, I think that it's more likely that the MP6,1 is the end of the line. I'd be surprised if Apple did anything other than cancel the MP. (Unless the class action lawsuit about the GPU problems on the MP6,1 forces Apple to actually fix the machine with a 7,1 update - and send the 7,1 for free to the 6,1 customers.)Sure, but you are getting only 3.5 TFLOPS of performance at 150W compared to 4.3 TFLOPS at 250 W. Imagine if that was cut another 50 W down to 100 W and we are talking even less performance.
Obviously Apple rarely gives indications as to future products. Basically since Apple switched to Intel AMD has not been competitive in high performance CPUs. Now that Zen is shaping up to be competitive (we don't know yet just how competitive) its worth considering the benefits if Apple switched to Zen.
I would say the only "rumor" here is that AMD is developing an APU thats not slated for a console, so one possibility is that Apple is the customer. Otherwise theres no rumors.
A handful of AMD motherboards shipped with thunderbolt, so I don't think its impossible that Apple could ship an AMD processor with TB. I think the lack of thunderbolt on AMD has merely been a result of AMD's processors have had crappy performance and it didn't make sense to put a high end feature on budget part.
I saw some rumor regarding GF paying AMD for some 22FDX development. I thought maybe an embeddable A12 derivative design.I would say the only "rumor" here is that AMD is developing an APU thats not slated for a console, so one possibility is that Apple is the customer. Otherwise theres no rumors.
There is nothing stopping AMD from buying Alpine Ridge controller. There is nothing stopping AMD CPUs to work with Alpine Ridge controller.Just catching up with this discussion, but wondering why is this relevant for Mac Pro or Mac in general. Until there's a replacement for Thunderbolt or Apple stops supporting extensions of any kind, Apple will keep using Intel processors, for good or bad. The APU could be nice, but has Apple made ANY indication that it's interested in that market? I can't find anything, and I'm happy to be corrected, in the current offerings on hardware & software side suggesting that Apple is interested in anyone except mass market home & office users.
the desktop amd cpu's like the intel ones don't have the bandwidth for 3 full slotsAre there any motherboards with 3 full size PCIe 3.0 slots, or they are at most 2x 3.0 and 1x 2.0 ?
I said 3 full size slots, not 3 x16.the desktop amd cpu's like the intel ones don't have the bandwidth for 3 full slots
If they're not x16, they're going to be shorter slots anyways, aren't they?I said 3 full size slots, not 3 x16.
Many times you have longer slots than the number of lanes supported so that you can still properly fit cards with wider connectors.If they're not x16, they're going to be shorter slots anyways, aren't they?
Correct also, but not relevant for us in the world of Macs, unfortunately...
Looks like the high end Ryzen processors will consume more than 95 W if they need a 140 W cooler.
The X processors have the "infinite auto overclocking" feature.Looks like the high end Ryzen processors will consume more than 95 W if they need a 140 W cooler.
The X processors have the "infinite auto overclocking" feature.