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Plato65

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A lot of people could just do with USB 3.1, similarly to the Macbook.

Correct, but those same people would also be happy with a weaker processor, like on MacBook, and would not pay extra for 8 cores.
 

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Correct, but those same people would also be happy with a weaker processor, like on MacBook, and would not pay extra for 8 cores.
That is not true. I have a Phenom II X6 since 2010 and I will next buy an 8-core AMD as I don't want Intel. I already bought a USB 3.1 card if FX becomes really cheap, as I don't even have an aftermarket cooler.
 

Stacc

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Just catching up with this discussion, but wondering why is this relevant for Mac Pro or Mac in general. Until there's a replacement for Thunderbolt or Apple stops supporting extensions of any kind, Apple will keep using Intel processors, for good or bad. The APU could be nice, but has Apple made ANY indication that it's interested in that market? I can't find anything, and I'm happy to be corrected, in the current offerings on hardware & software side suggesting that Apple is interested in anyone except mass market home & office users.

Obviously Apple rarely gives indications as to future products. Basically since Apple switched to Intel AMD has not been competitive in high performance CPUs. Now that Zen is shaping up to be competitive (we don't know yet just how competitive) its worth considering the benefits if Apple switched to Zen.

I would say the only "rumor" here is that AMD is developing an APU thats not slated for a console, so one possibility is that Apple is the customer. Otherwise theres no rumors.

A handful of AMD motherboards shipped with thunderbolt, so I don't think its impossible that Apple could ship an AMD processor with TB. I think the lack of thunderbolt on AMD has merely been a result of AMD's processors have had crappy performance and it didn't make sense to put a high end feature on budget part.
 

Plato65

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That is not true. I have a Phenom II X6 since 2010 and I will next buy an 8-core AMD as I don't want Intel. I already bought a USB 3.1 card if FX becomes really cheap, as I don't even have an aftermarket cooler.

I stand corrected. There must be a large market of people who dislike Intel, need 8 cores, are happy to buy an all-in-one computer, and don't care for Thunderbolt. :)
 

Stacc

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In some cases even shedding 100 MHz from core, can result in 100W lower power draw.

Compare 7970 GHZ edition, with D700. Same GPU's, one clocked at 1000 MHz, second one clocked at 850 MHz, and the difference around 100W lower power consumption of D700 ;).

Sure, but you are getting only 3.5 TFLOPS of performance at 150W compared to 4.3 TFLOPS at 250 W. Imagine if that was cut another 50 W down to 100 W and we are talking even less performance.
 

AidenShaw

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Sure, but you are getting only 3.5 TFLOPS of performance at 150W compared to 4.3 TFLOPS at 250 W. Imagine if that was cut another 50 W down to 100 W and we are talking even less performance.
IMHO, I think that it's more likely that the MP6,1 is the end of the line. I'd be surprised if Apple did anything other than cancel the MP. (Unless the class action lawsuit about the GPU problems on the MP6,1 forces Apple to actually fix the machine with a 7,1 update - and send the 7,1 for free to the 6,1 customers.)

A triple APU system would be a ground-up redesign, even if it looked the same.
 
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Plato65

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Obviously Apple rarely gives indications as to future products. Basically since Apple switched to Intel AMD has not been competitive in high performance CPUs. Now that Zen is shaping up to be competitive (we don't know yet just how competitive) its worth considering the benefits if Apple switched to Zen.

I would say the only "rumor" here is that AMD is developing an APU thats not slated for a console, so one possibility is that Apple is the customer. Otherwise theres no rumors.

A handful of AMD motherboards shipped with thunderbolt, so I don't think its impossible that Apple could ship an AMD processor with TB. I think the lack of thunderbolt on AMD has merely been a result of AMD's processors have had crappy performance and it didn't make sense to put a high end feature on budget part.

Disagree, Apple does give a lot of indications:
- Tim Cook has said explicitly that he sees iPad Pro as a replacement for computers.
- Apple just launched an ad campaign saying the same thing.
- Apple is increasingly integrating the underlying code base between iOS & macOS.
- Apple has not updated in any way any desktop except the iMac in the last 3 years and that has now gone 1.5 years without an update.
- etc.

I don't see how any high-performance computer fits into this picture.
 

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I would say the only "rumor" here is that AMD is developing an APU thats not slated for a console, so one possibility is that Apple is the customer. Otherwise theres no rumors.
I saw some rumor regarding GF paying AMD for some 22FDX development. I thought maybe an embeddable A12 derivative design.
 
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koyoot

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Just catching up with this discussion, but wondering why is this relevant for Mac Pro or Mac in general. Until there's a replacement for Thunderbolt or Apple stops supporting extensions of any kind, Apple will keep using Intel processors, for good or bad. The APU could be nice, but has Apple made ANY indication that it's interested in that market? I can't find anything, and I'm happy to be corrected, in the current offerings on hardware & software side suggesting that Apple is interested in anyone except mass market home & office users.
There is nothing stopping AMD from buying Alpine Ridge controller. There is nothing stopping AMD CPUs to work with Alpine Ridge controller.

https://videocardz.com/66149/amd-ryzen-cpus-pictured

AMD-Ryzen-CPUs-2.jpg

AMD-Ryzen-CPUs-1.jpg


Oh my...
 
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Are there any motherboards with 3 full size PCIe 3.0 slots, or they are at most 2x 3.0 and 1x 2.0 ?
 

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If they're not x16, they're going to be shorter slots anyways, aren't they?
Many times you have longer slots than the number of lanes supported so that you can still properly fit cards with wider connectors.
 

Stacc

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The X processors have the "infinite auto overclocking" feature.

This doesn't make sense to me. Whats the difference between a 1700X and a 1800X if they both have 8 cores and can "infinitely overclock"? Shouldn't that mean they ultimately run the same speed?
 

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I think its better to wait for reviews. So far nobody has deciphered exactly what XFR does, but when the reviews will roll-out, it will be very apparent ;).
 
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