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koyoot

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I am confused. You said there would be Ryzen 3 4C/8T APUs and Ryzen 5 4C/8T CPUs.
That is correct. Where is the confusion?

Ryzen 7 - 8C/16T,
Ryzen 5 - 6C/12T, 4C/8T CPUs
Ryzen 3 - 4C/8T APUs.

There is a possibility, small, but valid, that in Ryzen 3 also will be 4C/8T and 4C/4T CPUs.
There is no 4C/4T APU, at least I am not aware of such design.
 

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That is correct. Where is the confusion?

Ryzen 7 - 8C/16T,
Ryzen 5 - 6C/12T, 4C/8T CPUs
Ryzen 3 - 4C/8T APUs.

There is a possibility, small, but valid, that in Ryzen 3 also will be 4C/8T and 4C/4T CPUs.
There is no 4C/4T APU, at least I am not aware of such design.
The confusion lies in that with those 4C/8T, it looks like 3 > 5.
 

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Well, that is the target for AMD. They plan to sell much more APUs than 4C/8T CPUs this year, despite it being released few months later.
 

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Such branding would be crap.

What I saw is that Ryzen 3 would be 4C/4T.
There is a possibility that that will be the case with CPUs, only. Small but it is still a possibility.
 

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So, even more mess.
Let me give you an example how AMD "works".

Person, who was reporting to Mark Papermaster, CTO of AMD, was informed by him, that at the start, AMD will offer 7 SKUs in all 3 Ryzen brands.
 

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My original plan was to repurpose the AM3, so building a Bristol Ridge seems kind of wasteful.

Maybe if there was a really cheap CPU version.
 

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The AM4 motherboard drought reached the US. There are only 6 units left at amazon.com .
 

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My original plan was to repurpose the AM3, so building a Bristol Ridge seems kind of wasteful.

Maybe if there was a really cheap CPU version.
Well, there are some pretty interesting micro-ATX boards, although I would like a better BT solution. A mini tower would fit better.
 

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Phenom II X6: 100% CPU by antivirus scan.

So, the answer is at least 1600X. Forget the rest.
 

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X399 from AMD is coming, targeted at HEDT from Intel.

Its an SoC with 200W TDP. I think you can see where this is going.
 

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OC Mode is activated by changing the core multiplier, not the reference clock.

But Ryzen is not as flexible with PCI, so the reference clock should not be set higher than 106.

Does overclocking RAM activate OC Mode?
 

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Im not interested in OC'ing, so I don't know. But maybe you will find the answer?
 

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Let me give you an example how AMD "works".

Person, who was reporting to Mark Papermaster, CTO of AMD, was informed by him, that at the start, AMD will offer 7 SKUs in all 3 Ryzen brands.
Remember this post?
Read this:
“It’s all about the bad coordination, bad communication, bad support and bad timing to launch this platform in my opinion. With all these issues, none of us could start manufacture the boards sooner. Also, in January and February, all board vendors’ production lines were occupied with Intel 200 series boards before Chinese New Year and tried to ship as much boards as we can to ensure we won’t have stock issues while Asia was on New Year vacation.

In late December, AMD decided to pull in the launch date (it was scheduled to launch in late Q2) and launched it right after Chinese New Year but AMD keep the CPU supply quantity secret from us the whole time. They only shared the data 2 weeks before the launch, we didn’t understand why they were doing it. Also, their BIOS team and engineers were doing terrible jobs on supporting us on the BIOS microcode updates, driver updates, CPU samples for testing. They have done nothing they should have been doing to support the launch platform partners and always delay or give no response on support requests. We were all having huge issues to debug with limited AMD resource support including validating the parts, and fixing the memory clock speed that is all limited by AMD.

In general, it’s been too long for AMD to launch a new CPU, so they forgot how to do it, so they launched the CPU just like they were launching the graphics card. They didn’t care about the platform eco-system, so the eco-system is suffering and stock is delayed.

We are flying in new batches every 3 days to try to fulfill the back orders ASAP, so they should be all back in stock soon. With all the board reviews released, per Newegg and Amazon, the AMD memory limitation issue is slowing down the sales though.

We need your help to feedback that to AMD as well on their supports issues.” – Anonymous Motherboard Manufacture


Read more at http://www.legitreviews.com/one-mot...boards-are-missing_192470#0ex4T4mfb6zdq52m.99

This sums up what company is AMD. Nobody, apart from Engineers who actually worked on the hardware knows what the product will be, Marketing teams are sometimes deliberately mislead by the management people, etc. Its all about secrecy. There is a story about one of lead engineers that was on top of one product teams they were working on to release, and he went 6 months before the product release to Nvidia, because he was pouched. He never spoken a word about the product.

But that causes problems. They can give timeline for release, but the release can be pushed forward, as you can see here, in this example. Lunacy. Thats the word that perfectly describes this.

Imagine this: you are working on a product, you know when its supposed to launch, and then all of a sudden, your partner states it will be launched sooner. MUCH sooner.
 

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Im not interested in OC'ing, so I don't know. But maybe you will find the answer?
Well, the high XMP frequencies are called "overclocking" by the motherboard vendors. I looked if they disabled XFR and Turbo but nobody seems to talk about that.
 

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As things stand right now, gamers will like the 1600X even less.

And they will expect 4C to consist of one CCX.
[doublepost=1489377972][/doublepost]Ryzen 3 should not mean 4T but half the L3.
 

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If Bulldozer brought 8C to the mainstream, I think Ryzen will help a bit in bringing 2P to it.
 
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