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I'm not fond of WCCFTech or anything but the truth is, although they just copy stuff (and badly so), they are now much more on top of things. You just need to filter out the garbage, but usually the news are there and they are not as bad as they were before.
Out of curiosity, do you see anything there that you might say it's their invention, that they made up?
Isn't Tom's a reliable source? I know it's not the same as it used to be, in the old Dr. Thomas Pabst days, and they're a bit slow now, but still no one questions their news.
Out of curiosity, do you see anything there that you might say it's their invention, that they made up?
Isn't Tom's a reliable source? I know it's not the same as it used to be, in the old Dr. Thomas Pabst days, and they're a bit slow now, but still no one questions their news.
WCCFTech is famous for overhyping hardware, and making stuff up to gather clicks from specific groups of people.
I have learned lately that people when they are shown data, that are conflicting with their belief systems are going to downplay everything that is related with the source. Just look at Aiden in Mac Pro thread when I wanted to show that GP100 is the only new architecture Nvidia provided, lately, and GP102, 104 are Maxwell uArch GPUs on 16 nm process.
Toms Hardware is not unreliable site. It has been spun this way by AMD fanboys in past few days, because they have shown gaming benchmarks, that are not in line with people expectations. Its funny, that everybody is missing the Tom's Hardware benchmarks in Engineering, and professional workloads, that show Ryzen 7 CPU on par or beating Broadwell-E CPUs.
Show me post in which I lately have reposted, or used WTFTech as source. It is beyond me, how you guys are fu*****g paying attention to threads, and are not able to read with understanding. Oh, right. It is because you do not like me.
P.S. How come article saying that Ashes of the Singularity gained performance with new update, on Ryzen CPU is non-reliable? It shows your bias.
It was obvious that this will happen with optimization, and we will see improvements of performance. There is a lot to gain on AMD platform, just from software optimizations. Applications, BIOS, Microcode of the CPU, everything here will improve the performance.
IMC in the Ryzen CPUs is capable of clocking up to 4266 MHz, but we still do not have support for 3600 MHz(proper support) on RAM, so it will take some time, before BIOS updates will unlock this frequency on RAM.
Well, it seems you just believed any blabber posted in that last article, and the graph they copied had already been linked here.
About that TomsHardware review.
Look at this chart.
And now lets compare to the chart WTFTech used in their article. This is only gripe you can have about it. Fact is simple. Software optimization increases the performance of the Ryzen CPU. End of the story.
Look at this chart.
And now lets compare to the chart WTFTech used in their article. This is only gripe you can have about it. Fact is simple. Software optimization increases the performance of the Ryzen CPU. End of the story.
Yesssss, let the anger flow... Embrace the dark side of the force and join your father!
It's not the end of the story. The article shows it's not the place to look for technical analysis.About that TomsHardware review.
Look at this chart.
And now lets compare to the chart WTFTech used in their article. This is only gripe you can have about it. Fact is simple. Software optimization increases the performance of the Ryzen CPU. End of the story.
Well at least I am the one who is able to win argument, using logic and arguments. You are capable of only posting stuff like this.
That is actually all what WTFTech is capable of. Reposting graphs and getting together few sentences.
I usually go for understanding to beyond3D forum, at least on GPU side.
Hell, some people here do love a good conflict.
This is a Zen (Ryzen) thread is it not? I was merely posting something regarding the improvements reached. How come that generated a WCCFT loving affair?! And I just love Zen more than anything in the whole wide world now? Man, should I just stop dropping by?
I have no special interest in Zen, but if AMD has good tech in their hands now I'm obviously happy for them. I'll say it again, never had anything AMD in my life. I'm glad they finally got a breakthrough. That's it, nothing else.
And for those who obviously hate WCCFT just don't open the links, easy as that!!
This is a Zen (Ryzen) thread is it not? I was merely posting something regarding the improvements reached. How come that generated a WCCFT loving affair?! And I just love Zen more than anything in the whole wide world now? Man, should I just stop dropping by?
I have no special interest in Zen, but if AMD has good tech in their hands now I'm obviously happy for them. I'll say it again, never had anything AMD in my life. I'm glad they finally got a breakthrough. That's it, nothing else.
And for those who obviously hate WCCFT just don't open the links, easy as that!!
On a Mac forum, in a Mac Pro sub forum where there isn't any ZEN (ryZen) based system or new or announced new workstation using it for that matter...
Yes Ryzen is good. Not the best, but quite good in some field. But keep in mind that Intel is spending about 3 Billions $ per quarter in R&D judging by this graph:
https://ycharts.com/companies/INTC/r_and_d_expense
AMD spends a fraction of that, so don't sell Intel short.
I really did not see what was the point of the link when the graph had been referenced already from the original source, and the text was bad.
There is no system (Mac) based on Ryzen (yet) indeed. So why on earth are we talking about it here anyway?
I guess there's a possibility it will end up in a future nMP. If so, is it not important to see that there are improvements? These are games, not related to the Mac, but if the tech gets refined will it not also affect Naples, and a possible nMP?
Do you see me picking on any post that are not so much related or that link to not so good articles?
My point is, we don't have to like what everyone posts, but we're not 16 anymore so we can just ignore what we feel doesn't interest us without being a critic all the time.
Sorry for the rant.
I was gonna link to TPU (mem analysis) but I'm not sure I'm allowed, what's their rating anyway? Anyone thinks it's also no good?
I guess whoever is interested can search for it then.
I guess there's a possibility it will end up in a future nMP. If so, is it not important to see that there are improvements? These are games, not related to the Mac, but if the tech gets refined will it not also affect Naples, and a possible nMP?
Do you see me picking on any post that are not so much related or that link to not so good articles?
My point is, we don't have to like what everyone posts, but we're not 16 anymore so we can just ignore what we feel doesn't interest us without being a critic all the time.
Sorry for the rant.
I was gonna link to TPU (mem analysis) but I'm not sure I'm allowed, what's their rating anyway? Anyone thinks it's also no good?
I guess whoever is interested can search for it then.
It is important to point out when articles are misleading, especially for popular sites.
...and there most likely will never be a new Apple desktop based on any Intel or AMD processor. (I don't consider the 'laptop on a stick' to be a desktop in a strict sense.)
Unless people think that Naples would work for the Ipad Pro - but even then this is the wrong forum.
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https://thetechaltar.com/amd-ryzen-1800x-performance/2/
Interesting gaming performance. At 720p, which should be CPU bound resolution in current "meta" of games, Ryzen 7 1800X and Intel 6900K are paired with RX 480.
Check out yourselves for the scores. And compare this to latest two videos done by YouTuber AdoredTV. Interesting conclusions you can draw from this.
Here are the links.
And this is a video made by TechEpiphany channel in response to AdoredTV film, and comparing affect of using Nvidia and AMD GPU in DX11 and in DX12.
It is not one case scenario, and not one game.
It appears that Ryzen problem with gaming performance is way overblown, by tech press.
Every tech press tested gaming on Ryzen with Nvidia GPUs. Keep this in mind, and compare notes.
Incompetence of tech press also has been exposed pretty badly, lately. AMD is BACK. With full power.
Interesting gaming performance. At 720p, which should be CPU bound resolution in current "meta" of games, Ryzen 7 1800X and Intel 6900K are paired with RX 480.
Check out yourselves for the scores. And compare this to latest two videos done by YouTuber AdoredTV. Interesting conclusions you can draw from this.
Here are the links.
It appears that Ryzen problem with gaming performance is way overblown, by tech press.
Every tech press tested gaming on Ryzen with Nvidia GPUs. Keep this in mind, and compare notes.
Incompetence of tech press also has been exposed pretty badly, lately. AMD is BACK. With full power.
AMD is now a fabless outfit, while Intel still builds their own fabs - a huge undertaking! I'm sure that accounts for the vast majority of the difference in R&D expenditures.
I'm impressed with what AMD accomplished on the CPU side and wish them luck with it. If I was building a high-core-count machine, I'd definitely look hard at AMD right now.
Another video, showing the same situation as the videos above:
Gaming performance on Ryzen 7 and Nvidia GPU combo is limited thanks to Nvidia drivers. Not the CPU.
Comparison of Tomb Raider starts at 8:27. R9 295X2, with both GPUs stays at 99-100% 99% of the time, while GTX Titan X is able to hover around 45% of GPU load in this location, that AdoredTV tested.
Gaming performance on Ryzen 7 and Nvidia GPU combo is limited thanks to Nvidia drivers. Not the CPU.
Comparison of Tomb Raider starts at 8:27. R9 295X2, with both GPUs stays at 99-100% 99% of the time, while GTX Titan X is able to hover around 45% of GPU load in this location, that AdoredTV tested.
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Ok. I focus only on benchmarks. But thanks for input.
About the Nvidia drivers+Ryzen CPU combo.
https://twitter.com/BitsAndChipsEng/status/848568632888229892
Pretty logical.