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I do not expect in-depth analysis of every single benchmark, from YouTubers, which have to attract people to actually watch their "products", and with that type of analysis they could bore them to death. What people want from YouTube is get as much information as possible in lowest possible time. Compare the approaches from AdoredTV, and from Hardware Unboxed.
AdoredTV film - over 20 minutes, and one, single benchmark, but watched from different points of view. Hardware Unboxed - multiple benchmarks watched from one point of view.
Yes. Both 7700K, and 1800X. Both setups. With Crossfire RX 480, and single GTX 1070 OC'ed to almost stock GTX 1080 levels of performance.
P.S. You haven't watched it?
I was talking about the guy with the old dual card.Yes. Both 7700K, and 1800X. Both setups. With Crossfire RX 480, and single GTX 1070 OC'ed to almost stock GTX 1080 levels of performance.
P.S. You haven't watched it?
is there any Zen or Ryzen or whatever system anywhere with Thunderbolt yet. ... Apple or otherwise?
Don't really see how Zen is a player in Mac space without it. I don't think it is impossible, but I also haven't seen even the slightest signs that anyone at AMD is working on that. [ The stories of last minute firmware shifts with even the mainstream motherboards seem to indication AMD has enough trouble just getting mainstream Windows only product validated and out the door. ]
Those are slow. You can thank you can get a Bristol Ridge desktop from HP at least (who was not slow for that).
I said Bristol Ridge desktops. Not Summit Ridge. I don't know any other tier one vendor who sells them.
Sorry, I didn't realize that your comment was irrelevant to a discussion of Ryzen.
It is not irrelevant. You complained that there were no tier one Ryzen systems yet and I showed you it is normal.
There is a very weak coupling via the AM4 socket..... but the AM4 socket (and chipset) ... again doesn't really solve any core Mac problem that Apple has with the Intel alternatives.
I wasn't "complaining" - just pointing out that AMD gets very little attention from the tier 1 vendors. As you say, "normal".
I think the situation will become better. The platform is still a bit rough, at least until the new firmware to be released soon before Ryzen 5.
If Aiden is looking for X399 chipset, and HEDT CPUs, there is not any, yet. They are releasing this Quarter in 12 and 16 core versions.
There won't be workstation grade computer based on Ryzen CPUs. AMD ThreadRipper is completely different story, tho.
There won't be workstation grade computer based on Ryzen CPUs. AMD ThreadRipper is completely different story, tho
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Maybe I'm not understanding, but the "ryzen gaming performance" issues as I understand it are these: At very high FPS (low res, fast-ass card), higher clocks are key. Even the dual core HT intel CPU did almost as well as the i5 which did identically to the i7 in those situations. The ryzen 1800X did not do "5ghz on air" (whatever happened to your prediction from canard magazine? never mind, I digress). That benchmark you posted uses a 480 and shows similar frame rates between intel and AMD... yeah, the GPU is the bottleneck, duh. Likewise at 4k the ryzen does fine.
So what is the incompetence? I saw these benchmarks day one from Linus TT and others, which totally make sense. Are you saying that the 1800x can outperform the 7700k at most modern games with a high end GPU? are you saying it's NVidia's drivers? Is there a crossfire 480 Vs GTX 1080 test on 7700k vs 1800x you can show me to prove this?
I'm excited about ryzen -- I hope this will bring multicore to the masses (and therefore maybe more programs coded for multithreaded workloads), but if all you do is game at 1080p, it seems like an i5 is still the sweet spot.
It is simple. Nvidia driver has problem with pushing enough draw calls to feed the GPU on Ryzen CPU.
Previously all of benchmarks using 6900K, and 1800X were showing that 1800X is slower with Nvidia GPUs, than combo Intel+Nvidia. Currently test comparing 1800X with 6900K plus AMD GPU show that Ryzen is faster.
There are reviews comparing 1800X and 6900K at 720p, at 1080p with RX 480, and there is no problem with gaming performance in this situation. 1800X delivers enough performance for high framerates.
Edit. Forgot about it. The situation is problematic enough that in some cases, in DX12 games you see a regression on 8 core 6900K vs. 4 core 7700K both paired with Nvidia GPU. So it is not only Ryzen CPU problem.
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For all those against RYZEN you have to thank AMD cuz no you have some competition and will adjust pricing. Overall, its a good CPU given its price and performance. At least we have a choice now....I doubt apple will adopt, they will simply move to arm based desktop in time it's only a matter of when...
You're a bit late to the news then. Apple said they won't be moving to an Arm based Mac. At best an Arm chip may be used as a second controller for gimmiky addons like the touch bar/emoji dispenser...