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orph

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whats CAS, is it in the video?

GCN vega 56, or radeon 7?

edit ok watched the video, the auto sharpen feature in the video.

Thats a driver thing so we won't see it in osx, i don't know much about it past it works in games and is auto sharpen so i'm not sure it will help with video editing and i assume it will have nothing to do with video decode/encode.


There are some really cool features in the windows driver’s like supersampling, radeon chill, OC settings and so on but we have never seen them in osx (that i know of).


Looks like a cool feature, for windows
 
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To those like myself - 70 years old soon with diminishing eyesight .. . 8k 60fps won't make much difference to my current 1080 24" .. I was born too early. I can't imaging what will be standard, cheap & available in 2030 but I possibly will be drooling my dotage away or worse. . . :) . . maybe I can pry my pumped up Amiga 4000T out of the arms of a friend I gave it to.

Get hold of that Amiga 4000T and shove it up on eBay, folk like me(some with even more money than me) will show you a bidding war that'll make the new Mac Pro look like pocket change.
 
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I was thinking Radeon Vega II is same like Radeon VII, but I was wrong when heard Radeon VII was EOL-ed.

Same chip family. Same driver.

Internally at AMD the Radeon VII was called Radeon Vega Series II. It still says that on their driver page. When they released the 7nm CPU and GPU they thought it would be catchy to change 'Vega Series II' to 'VII' and pronounce it as '7'. Dumb marketing idea tbh.
 

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It will be interesting to see if there are new AMD drivers in 10.14.6 final.
Also, if Apple could enable 5.0GT/S for GPUs via software surely they can do more. :cool:
 

orph

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@MIKX i think it's more likley in osx10.15 (and maybe not till osx10.16 that they work well)
 

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I pray that some of the Mojave Beta developers still have and love their 5,1 cMPs. They're probably the ones who slipped in booting from M.2 and the bootrom upgrades :rolleyes:
 
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I pray that some of the Mojave Beta developers still have and love their 5,1 cMPs. They're probably the ones who slipped in booting from M.2 and the bootrom upgrades :rolleyes:

Well I tried. I ws the first one on this forum maybe the first one in the world who maxed out the Mac Pro with dual blade RAIDs, Nvidia GPUs, dual X5690, Sonnet dual SATA, USB-C card, Pixlas mod. But then I did that Media Encoder test and was very sad about it. All these upgrades made no difference because the Adobe apps I used didn't care for it. Software optimizing was the problem...

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/real-world-premiere-media-encoder-speed-test.1932390/
 

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Well I tried. I ws the first one on this forum maybe the first one in the world who maxed out the Mac Pro with dual blade RAIDs, Nvidia GPUs, dual X5690, Sonnet dual SATA, USB-C card, Pixlas mod. But then I did that Media Encoder test and was very sad about it. All these upgrades made no difference because the Adobe apps I used didn't care for it. Software optimizing was the problem...

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/real-world-premiere-media-encoder-speed-test.1932390/

That one looks like software encoding vs hardware encoding.

ME should able to use NVENC in Windows, that can easily encode few times faster than 2x5690 in 4K DCI H264.
 
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That one looks like software encoding vs hardware encoding.

ME should able to use NVENC in Windows, that can easily encode few times faster than 2x5690 in 4K DCI H264.

The Windows test was 4 times faster than the macOS test on same machine. We did many tests after that if you remember but can't remember what we concluded. That the macOS Nvidia web drivers didn't have encode support?
 

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The Windows test was 4 times faster than the macOS test on same machine. We did many tests after that if you remember but can't remember what we concluded. That the macOS Nvidia web drivers didn't have encode support?

No NVENC in macOS, I confirmed that with Nvidia.

AFAIK, the only hardware encoding available on cMP in macOS now is AMD VCE, and I only found out how to get that two months ago.

And my RX580 can encode H264 video significantly faster than CPU encoding in some case (depends on setting).

Few years back, I don't know that much about hardware encoding. But now, look back to your case. It fit perfectly to explain the performance difference.

It's not really Adobe's fault, not because of software optimisation. But because Nvidia refuse to provide software to enable the video engine, so that ME cannot utilise it to speed up the encoding.
 

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Looks like the second release of the Catalina 10.15.1 beta supports rDNA/Navi and the RX 5700 is working on Hacks. Hopefully the drivers work on a patched version of Catalina on the 5,1.

8271-Navi-ATM.png
 

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Looks like the second release of the Catalina 10.15.1 beta supports rDNA/Navi and the RX 5700 is working on Hacks. Hopefully the drivers work on a patched version of Catalina on the 5,1.
Yep, was watching this thread with interest

FWIW had a look into the AMDRadeonX6000.kext, it contains these device IDs. Promising

X6000 in 19B77a - 2019-10-18 at 01.01.20.png
 
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sk0n3_jp

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Hey guys, after a night of no sleep ToT
I got my XFX RX5700 8GB working on macOS Catalina 10.15 stable build (dosdude1 patched).
I ported over all my extensions from /System/Library/Extensions on my Macbook Air 2012 (which natively supports Catalina) then on my Mac Pro 4,1 -> 5,1 I booted to my backup macOS (which is still mojave) and accessed my Catalina drive to dump and overwrite my existing extensions.

Hope this helps and works for other.
Hit me up if you have any questions.
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joevt

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Hey guys, after a night of no sleep ToT
I got my XFX RX5700 8GB working on macOS Catalina 10.15 stable build (dosdude1 patched).
I ported over all my extensions from /System/Library/Extensions on my Macbook Air 2012 (which natively supports Catalina) then on my Mac Pro 4,1 -> 5,1 I booted to my backup macOS (which is still mojave) and accessed my Catalina drive to dump and overwrite my existing extensions.

Hope this helps and works for other.
Hit me up if you have any questions.
Are the Mac Pro and MacBook Air running the same version of Catalina? If so, then aren't the /System/Library/Extensions the same? Or do you mean the MacBook Air is running Catalina beta and the Mac Pro is not? You copied all the kexts or just the graphics ones? Did you do a compare to see which extensions were changed (at least compare the versions in the info.plist files)?
 
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