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vertsix

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The only reason I don't like AMOLED displays is because they have potential of burning the screen. I see it at work all the time. At least our screens don't burn, especially if you leave the screen on all night as a bed side alarm clock.

That shouldn't be a thing to be worried about at all. And burn-in also occurs in LCDs for the same reasons.
 

vertsix

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Apple would have switched to OLED if it made sense when considering quality and battery life. We keep hearing that OLED is more energy efficient, but if that were true, why don't Android's running OLED have far superior battery life? I know the answer, but my point is, if it were some magical huge energy savings AND the colors and performance met Apple expectations, they would have made the switch already.

No. They haven't made the switch because of margins.

OLED displays are far more expensive than LCD displays, because the technology is superior and more advanced.
 
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vertsix

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I would think Apple would not switch to OLED displays until they also increase the iPhones' resolution to 1080p and 1440p, probably in the iPhone 7 and 7+. It would be weird if the 6s and 6s+ switched to OLED but stayed at 750p and 1080p, only to go up to 1080p and 1440p in the iPhone 7.

I think they should do both for the iPhone 7 launch. OLED and 1080/1440p screen resolutions.

That's what I wanted for the iPhone 6 last year.
 

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Let's not pretend AMOLED is the 2nd coming of displays, at least for now.
IPS panels have benefits that AMOLED doesn't have such as sharper images, better colours and better brightness and it also doesn't degrade as fast.

The main thing that is actually awesome about AMOLED is that you don't need a backlight, which saves space and avoids the problem of excessive backlight bleeding.

AMOLED = smaller displays, no light bleeding, deeper blacks.
IPS = better colours, sharper images, better brightness.

AMOLED is slowly losing its disadvantages. This year's Samsung flagships have amazing displays. Super bright, super sharp, and are said to show very accurate colours. Apparently oversaturated colours can be sorted by installing a custom launcher such as Nova. So if :apple: can get that sort of display into their phones, possibly even better as the displays are evolving, then there will be no loss.

I would think Apple would not switch to OLED displays until they also increase the iPhones' resolution to 1080p and 1440p, probably in the iPhone 7 and 7+. It would be weird if the 6s and 6s+ switched to OLED but stayed at 750p and 1080p, only to go up to 1080p and 1440p in the iPhone 7.

Yeah, both AMOLED and higher resolution will probably both happen in the iPhone 7 (still hate that name). That's what I was thinking. However, I don't think that they would go with the standard resolutions. Instead, they would just confuse us again. The 'iPhone 7' would move to @3x (2000x1125), and the 'iPhone 7 Plus' would move to its native resolution (2208x1242).
 

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No. They haven't made the switch because of margins.

OLED displays are far more expensive than LCD displays, because the technology is superior and more advanced.

I'm sure cost also factors into Apple's decision making, but your statement that OLED is far superior to LCD is based upon what exactly? You have to weigh all factors and obviously Apple's decision has been that there are too many negatives with current OLED technology to switch. And as far as price goes, Apple drives price better than anyone, and if they chose to go OLED, they'll get screens at the price they need.

Frankly, there are crappy OLED screens on the market today, as made obvious by all the give-away Android phones on the market using OLED. Again, they're supposed to be "better", but no company is putting out OLED phones that have 3 day batteries (without including giant batteries in their phones), so where exactly is the "superiority" of OLED?

I would suggest, that the superiority you speak of is in principle only and when weighed against the whole, they're not much different than LCD.
 

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I'm sure cost also factors into Apple's decision making, but your statement that OLED is far superior to LCD is based upon what exactly? You have to weigh all factors and obviously Apple's decision has been that there are too many negatives with current OLED technology to switch. And as far as price goes, Apple drives price better than anyone, and if they chose to go OLED, they'll get screens at the price they need.

Frankly, there are crappy OLED screens on the market today, as made obvious by all the give-away Android phones on the market using OLED. Again, they're supposed to be "better", but no company is putting out OLED phones that have 3 day batteries (without including giant batteries in their phones), so where exactly is the "superiority" of OLED?

I would suggest, that the superiority you speak of is in principle only and when weighed against the whole, they're not much different than LCD.

You can't really notice the efficiency on most Android phones because Android is a battery hog, and because there are lots of other variables involved.

I invite you to read this article for you to see where I'm coming from. Not saying the iPhone 6 display is bad, aside from the resolution.

http://www.displaymate.com/iPhone6_ShootOut.htm
 
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Andres Cantu

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I always found the resolution of the iphone 6 to be so odd. One of the reasons I went with the 6+ was because it hand a standard resolution.
It is an odd resolution. They probably went with it to keep the PPI exactly at 326.

I think they should do both for the iPhone 7 launch. OLED and 1080/1440p screen resolutions.

That's what I wanted for the iPhone 6 last year.
I think that they should and that they will.

Yeah, both AMOLED and higher resolution will probably both happen in the iPhone 7 (still hate that name). That's what I was thinking. However, I don't think that they would go with the standard resolutions. Instead, they would just confuse us again. The 'iPhone 7' would move to @3x (2000x1125), and the 'iPhone 7 Plus' would move to its native resolution (2208x1242).
Why do you hate the iPhone 7 name? I wouldn't mind if they don't go with the standard resolutions, but I didn't expect them to for the iPhone 6+, so I'm leaning towards 1080p and 1242p.
 

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Of course. And for some kinds of media consumption, you would actually like colors to be more saturated.

If oversaturation annoys you, you can switch back to sRGB standards.

But at least the option for gorgeous colors is there.

Apple doesn't want its user base to have to worry about that. "Gorgeous colors" is subjective. Source content should look as it was intended to look. I don't think there are many people who would want an over-saturated display over a 100% accurate one, or have to switch between the two based on content. Puke.
 
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Apple would have switched to OLED if it made sense when considering quality and battery life. We keep hearing that OLED is more energy efficient, but if that were true, why don't Android's running OLED have far superior battery life? I know the answer, but my point is, if it were some magical huge energy savings AND the colors and performance met Apple expectations, they would have made the switch already.

That's just it, they do. I used to use a Galaxy S4 before my iPhone 6 and that has an AMOLED display that was two generations behind what's currently being used, so it was far less efficient and yet battery life was still better than my current iPhone 6.

I'm sure cost also factors into Apple's decision making, but your statement that OLED is far superior to LCD is based upon what exactly? You have to weigh all factors and obviously Apple's decision has been that there are too many negatives with current OLED technology to switch. And as far as price goes, Apple drives price better than anyone, and if they chose to go OLED, they'll get screens at the price they need.

Frankly, there are crappy OLED screens on the market today, as made obvious by all the give-away Android phones on the market using OLED. Again, they're supposed to be "better", but no company is putting out OLED phones that have 3 day batteries (without including giant batteries in their phones), so where exactly is the "superiority" of OLED?

I would suggest, that the superiority you speak of is in principle only and when weighed against the whole, they're not much different than LCD.

May I ask what negatives you're talking about? With the latest AMOLED displays efficiency is nearing the same, if not more efficient, than LCD even when displaying colors other than black (AnandTech tested this). Colors are also better and more accurate on AMOLED and the displays are just as bright, if not brighter, than their IPS LCD counterparts. AMOLED displays also have significantly lower reflectance than LCD.

All of this has been tested and can be corroborated by DisplayMate's test results. So again, what negatives are you talking about exactly? I'm truly curious.
 
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By the way, my ideas were referring to future iOS versions in general, not just iOS 9 in particular.
 

vertsix

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Apple doesn't want its user base to have to worry about that. "Gorgeous colors" is subjective. Source content should look as it was intended to look. I don't think there are many people who would want an over-saturated display over a 100% accurate one, or have to switch between the two based on content. Puke.

iOS could automatically change the display saturation based on what's on screen, so even the stupidest fools wouldn't have to worry about it.
 

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iOS could automatically change the display saturation based on what's on screen, so even the stupidest fools wouldn't have to worry about it.

Sorry, but no. It's never going to happen. The display is already properly calibrated. No reason to crap on it with some overly-saturated colors. Don't think Apple deals in gimmicks like Samsung does.
 
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Apple doesn't want its user base to have to worry about that. "Gorgeous colors" is subjective. Source content should look as it was intended to look. I don't think there are many people who would want an over-saturated display over a 100% accurate one, or have to switch between the two based on content. Puke.

Exactly this.

I can't think of any content where one would want it over saturated.

Photos? Nope. Any photographer puts in time and work for a specific colour tone and temperature. Having people look at their photos on an over saturated screen is not what they want or how they want their images to come across as.

Movies? Nope. Same reasons.

Web? Why does websites have to be super saturated? And again probably looking at images which would misrepresent them.

Games? Game developers selectively choose how they want their game to look colour wise. Over saturation ruins that once again.

It's like all the people who buy an expensive full HD or 4K tv and slap it into the rainbow puke that is vibrant mode.
 

nj-morris

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Exactly this.

I can't think of any content where one would want it over saturated.

Photos? Nope. Any photographer puts in time and work for a specific colour tone and temperature. Having people look at their photos on an over saturated screen is not what they want or how they want their images to come across as.

Movies? Nope. Same reasons.

Web? Why does websites have to be super saturated? And again probably looking at images which would misrepresent them.

Games? Game developers selectively choose how they want their game to look colour wise. Over saturation ruins that once again.

It's like all the people who buy an expensive full HD or 4K tv and slap it into the rainbow puke that is vibrant mode.

Just asking out of curiosity, have you seen the S6 display? The term over-saturated is a bit generic. If you're talking about colour accuracy, I tried an S6 and it was pretty accurate, but let me tell you this, LCDs are definitely not 100% accurate. I would say that they are under-saturated. And you wouldn't want under saturated images for the exact same reasons you mentioned. But I can't tell you which one I thought was more accurate as I didn't test them and it was a while ago since I saw an AMOLED display.
One thing I can tell you though is that screen was beautiful. It genuinely looks like it's been painted on. One key thing that you forgot to mention in your list is generally going through the system. Scrolling through app pages and going into apps, that sort of thing. It just makes it more alive.
TLDR: About the same colour accuracy, but it is just a better experience with an AMOLED.
 
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This is contradictory to a post in this thread. Also Samsung calls is Super AMOLED. It's not a basic AMOLED panel. If that matters.

Yeah. He is right with the battery and contrast but it defiantly doesn't haven better colour than IPS. They are still oversaturated but it will only get better.
 
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Well the Apple Watch has an AMOLED display and the colours aren't over saturated at all! I think the screen pops rather nice! I get it's hard to judge based on such a small screen, but still, it looks fantastic! I hope the 6S or the 7 adopts it
 
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Well the Apple Watch has an AMOLED display and the colours aren't over saturated at all! I think the screen pops rather nice! I get it's hard to judge based on such a small screen, but still, it looks fantastic! I hope the 6S or the 7 adopts it

Exactly. That's because watchOS isn't like TouchWiz. You might not notice it, but it's mostly TouchWiz that is causing the oversaturated colours. When your viewing photos or videos, or browsing the internet, it's a completely different story.
 
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Says who?
Every review I read is the same, AMOLED has better blacks and contrast but are oversaturated to sh**t.
You pick

Then you're not reading reviews by reviewers who know how to choose a different display setting on a Samsung phone.

Read the Anandtech review of the GS6; read the Displaymate links posted above. In "Photo" mode (or whatever Samsung calls it), the GS6 is as perfectly calibrated as a screen gets. (I wouldn't buy a GS6, mind you, and I have no complaints about the current iPhone screens; but as others here are saying, the quality of today's high-end AMOLED screens has been measured and confirmed.)
 
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Then you're not reading reviews by reviewers who know how to choose a different display setting on a Samsung phone.

Read the Anandtech review of the GS6; read the Displaymate links posted above. In "Photo" mode (or whatever Samsung calls it), the GS6 is as perfectly calibrated as a screen gets. (I wouldn't buy a GS6, mind you, and I have no complaints about the current iPhone screens; but as others here are saying, the quality of today's high-end AMOLED screens has been measured and confirmed.)
Exactly. Those who still push the myth that the iPhone's IPS LCD screens are more colour accurate are either lying or just spreading lazy information
 
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Are there rumors that Apple will improve the IPS screen on the 6S? Anandtech says this about the LG G4 display: Meanwhile judging things from a visual point of view, the display of the G4 isn’t as good as a whole compared to the Galaxy S6 if you care about color accuracy, but if you don’t the two are effectively equals.

I think LG is the main supplier for the iPhone displays. So if Apple takes this improvements in the LG LCD technology and does a better job at calibrating it we could get an LCD almost as nice as the S6 AMOLED.
 

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Then you're not reading reviews by reviewers who know how to choose a different display setting on a Samsung phone.

Read the Anandtech review of the GS6; read the Displaymate links posted above. In "Photo" mode (or whatever Samsung calls it), the GS6 is as perfectly calibrated as a screen gets. (I wouldn't buy a GS6, mind you, and I have no complaints about the current iPhone screens; but as others here are saying, the quality of today's high-end AMOLED screens has been measured and confirmed.)

Ok maybe there are not as bad anymore as before.
I read the review and the iPhone 6 scored slightly better for saturation and color. I guess we are at the point where u can't tell the difference anymore, especially with the latest Samsung AMOLED displays.
 
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