AMOLED screens and iOS 9

[E2EK1EL]

MY GOD most of you guys have zero idea what you're talking about here.

IPS displays will always be better than OLEDs in colour accuracy, performance, thinness, power management and longevity.

If that wasn't the case, Apple would had started to use them in the iPhone 4 era and move forward with them.

Say no to Super AMOLED, even right now the colours are exaggerated, still too bright and one of the main elements that causes the S6 batt to have draining issues.

 

[GreyOS]

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[nickchallis92]

MY GOD most of you guys have zero idea what you're talking about here.

IPS displays will always be better than OLEDs in colour accuracy, performance, thinness, power management and longevity.

If that wasn't the case, Apple would had started to use them in the iPhone 4 era and move forward with them.

Say no to Super AMOLED, even right now the colours are exaggerated, still too bright and one of the main elements that causes the S6 batt to have draining issues.

How many times ffs.

The OLED screens in Samsung's latest handsets are more colour accurate than the iPhone's IPS panels.

So no, IPS panels will not always be better. They're not better now.

Apple can't use them because Samsung aren't just going to hand over the technology. If they could use them, they'd be all over it.

 

[journeyy]

"Quantum Dot" is the technology i was referring to. I hope Apple won't just put the 6 display in the 6S. If i'm about to pay that much for a phone again it should be top of the line in most aspects. I'm worried though because i have not seen a rumor about an improved screen yet.

 

[crashoverride77]

Exactly. Those who still push the myth that the iPhone's IPS LCD screens are more colour accurate are either lying or just spreading lazy information

Yeah see above. The iphone 6 is more accurate, however Samsung is very close now with their latest devices.

How many times ffs.

The OLED screens in Samsung's latest handsets are more colour accurate than the iPhone's IPS panels.

So no, IPS panels will not always be better. They're not better now.

Apple can't use them because Samsung aren't just going to hand over the technology. If they could use them, they'd be all over it.

No they are not, if you post something in an arrogant tone than at least check your facts, ffs.
iPhone still has more accurate colours according to AnandTech (http://www.anandtech.com/show/9146/the-samsung-galaxy-s6-and-s6-edge-review/4)
However we get to the point now where samsungs AMOLED are so good that you probably can't tell the difference anymore. Samsung especially did a great job with brightness which was always an issue with AMOLED displays.

 

[nickchallis92]

"The Galaxy S6 Basic Screen Mode provides the most accurate on-screen image colors of any Smartphone or Tablet display that we have ever measured (effectively tied with the Galaxy Note 4)."

http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S6_ShootOut_1.htm

 

[E2EK1EL]

There are people who can see the light and piece things together before it actually happens, while rest won't believe it until they see it. We won't see a new screen until the iPhone 7's debut in 2017, as history repeats itself every year with the S models. They're pumping close to 1 billion units of the current screen to maintain cost effectiveness of the 6s model and saving the new screen design for the 7 model to really showcase the bi-annually redesign.

AMOLED screens uses traditional method of manufacturing and assembly, the S6 screen actually gained 0.7 mm thickness from the S5 ver. The images will always look deep as you're looking through so many layers materials.

Apple's uses Toshiba's in-cell technology for their IPS screens which is by far more colour accurate, better performance, super thinness, power efficient, longevity and with much better view angles.

The next type of "Retina" display will be the iPad Air 2 or something close or maybe hopefully a better type of display squeezed down to iPhones dimensions. Which is by far the most insane screen to look at, even to this day. Pixels look like they're floating above the glass, super viewing wide angles and a polarized film to antiglaring the sun.

Totally crazy some ppl to think Apple should switch to AMOLED screens, even more crazier to have a theory that Samsung won't handover these AMOLED screen because it's their technology. Samsung would make a killing due to the manufacturing of 1 billion iPhone screens for two years, and Apple will have to pay a licensing fee to use this type of "traditional" technology.

 

[nickchallis92]

There are people who can see the light and piece things together before it actually happens, while rest won't believe it until they see it. We won't see a new screen until the iPhone 7's debut in 2017, as history repeats itself every year with the S models. They're pumping close to 1 billion units of the current screen to maintain cost effectiveness of the 6s model and saying the new screen design for the 7 model to really showcase the bi-annually redesign.

AMOLED screens uses traditional method of manufacturing and assembly, the S6 screen actually gained 0.7 mm thickness from the S5 ver. The images will always look deep as you're looking through so many layers materials.

Apple's uses Toshiba's in-cell technology for their IPS screens which is by far more colour accurate, better performance, super thinness, power efficient, longevity and with much better view angles.

The next type of "Retina" display will be the iPad Air 2 or something close or maybe hopefully a better type of display squeezed down to iPhones dimensions. Which is by far the most insane screen to look at, even to this day. Pixels look like they're floating above the glass, super viewing wide angles and a polarized film to antiglaring the sun.

Totally crazy some ppl to think Apple should switch to AMOLED screens, even more crazier to have a theory that Samsung won't handover these AMOLED screen because it's their technology. Samsung would make a killing due to the manufacturing of 1 billion iPhone screens for two years, and Apple will have to pay a licensing fee to use this type of "traditional" technology.

The Galaxy S6 Basic Screen Mode provides the most accurate on-screen image colors of any Smartphone or Tablet display that we have ever measured (effectively tied with the Galaxy Note 4)."

http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S6_ShootOut_1.htm

It's amazing how people just don't get it. The iPhone screen is low res and not the most colour accurate screen on the market.

 

[journeyy]

There are people who can see the light and piece things together before it actually happens, while rest won't believe it until they see it. We won't see a new screen until the iPhone 7's debut in 2017, as history repeats itself every year with the S models. They're pumping close to 1 billion units of the current screen to maintain cost effectiveness of the 6s model and saying the new screen design for the 7 model to really showcase the bi-annually redesign.

AMOLED screens uses traditional method of manufacturing and assembly, the S6 screen actually gained 0.7 mm thickness from the S5 ver. The images will always look deep as you're looking through so many layers materials.

Apple's uses Toshiba's in-cell technology for their IPS screens which is by far more colour accurate, better performance, super thinness, power efficient, longevity and with much better view angles.

The next type of "Retina" display will be the iPad Air 2 or something close or maybe hopefully a better type of display squeezed down to iPhones dimensions. Which is by far the most insane screen to look at, even to this day. Pixels look like they're floating above the glass, super viewing wide angles and a polarized film to antiglaring the sun.

Totally crazy some ppl to think Apple should switch to AMOLED screens, even more crazier to have a theory that Samsung won't handover these AMOLED screen because it's their technology. Samsung would make a killing due to the manufacturing of 1 billion iPhone screens for two years, and Apple will have to pay a licensing fee to use this type of "traditional" technology.

The market has changed though, i don't think Apple wants to have reviews saying "The unchanged Display is still good, but can't compete with Samsung's recent AMOLED screens anymore"

Edit: and the manufacturing process probably isn't the same either way because of the force touch integration. My guess is still an improved LCD screen (not AMOLED)

 

[E2EK1EL]

My God some ppl need to be spoon feed for their daily info intake.

The report from Displaymate is the actual display itself, not the final fully assembled display we the consumer look at with all layers of materials we have to pass through with the human eye in real environments.

Be very glad the iPhone has this "low res" screen, otherwise we would have much more performance issues like infamous Touchwiz S-Langs on our SoCs. Totally unnecessary and stupid to have a screen that is pumping 577 ppi when the human eye can not exceed pass 300 ppi. Only Fanroid cares about ultra high specs and don't see the light of custom hardware and software relations for efficiency.

 

[Stickharuhi]

Guys Apple hates OLED!!!

Apple working -> micro-LED.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/15...igh-praise-seen-as-potential-oled-replacement
http://www.displaydaily.com/index.p...splay-week&catid=152:display-daily&Itemid=564

The experts say the future of display technology.

 

[nickchallis92]

My God some ppl need to be spoon feed for their daily info intake.

The report from Displaymate is the actual display itself, not the final fully assembled display we the consumer look at with all layers of materials we have to pass through with the human eye in real environments.

Be very glad the iPhone has this "low res" screen, otherwise we would have much more performance issues like infamous Touchwiz S-Langs on our SoCs. Totally unnecessary and stupid to have a screen that is pumping 577 ppi when the human eye can not exceed pass 300 ppi. Only Fanroid cares about ultra high specs and don't see the light of custom hardware and software relations for efficiency.

Oh sorry, the colours are going to change when seen through transparent glass? What a load of crap.

 

[SR71]

Oh sorry, the colours are going to change when seen through transparent glass? What a load of crap.

Seriously. No idea what he's smoking.

My God some ppl need to be spoon feed for their daily info intake.

The report from Displaymate is the actual display itself, not the final fully assembled display we the consumer look at with all layers of materials we have to pass through with the human eye in real environments.

Be very glad the iPhone has this "low res" screen, otherwise we would have much more performance issues like infamous Touchwiz S-Langs on our SoCs. Totally unnecessary and stupid to have a screen that is pumping 577 ppi when the human eye can not exceed pass 300 ppi. Only Fanroid cares about ultra high specs and don't see the light of custom hardware and software relations for efficiency.

That doesn't even make sense. They literally compare the color accuracy, brightness, reflectance, outdoor visibility, etc. to other mobile displays such as the one on the iPhone. The display's they test are the exact same ones that the consumer sees. You're just spitting out complete nonsense at this point.

And the human eye can definitely see the difference in PPI higher than 300. Hell, I can tell the difference between the display on the 6 Plus and my 6; the 6 Plus is considerably sharper and it's only 401 PPI (not a major increase from the 326 PPI on the iPhone 6, yet even with that slight difference it's noticeable).

 

[Blaster13]

http://gizmodo.com/5960191/techs-new-most-meaningless-spec-ppi

Interesting read on the human eye aspect of how much it can discern between...

 

[E2EK1EL]

1) Human eye for printed graphic design which is my career, the limit is 300 DPI went you send anything to print.

“If the average reading distance is 1 foot (12 inches = 305 mm), p @0.4 arc minute is 35.5 microns or about 720 ppi/dpi. p @1 arc minute is 89 microns or about 300 dpi/ppi. This is why magazines are printed at 300 dpi – it’s good enough for most people. Fine art printers aim for 720, and that’s the best it need be. Very few people stick their heads closer than 1 foot away from a painting or photograph.”

http://techdissected.com/ask-ted/ask-ted-how-many-ppi-can-the-human-eye-see/

http://www.vsellis.com/understanding-dpi-resolution-and-print-vs-web-images/

Same rules applies in PPI world for digital screens, the distance of 10" and 15"

2) Toshiba In-cell Technology IPS screen on the IP5, removing the digitizer panel boosted the IP5 screen with 44% more saturation and less glare, it brings the image closer making it full sRGB correct.

iPhone 4 Keynote Retina display explained by SJ "300 PPI held at 10"-12" text looks like a FINE PRINTED book", once again all mags and book are printed in 300 DPI.

@ 34:66

@ 18:40

3) In-cell Technology IPS in sunlight

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Disp...pple-iPhone-6-vs-HTC-One-M9-vs-Note-4_id69185

4) Toshiba Next gen In-cell Technology IPS display Apple will squeeze it in to the future iPhones, currently only on the iPad Air 2. Removing the micro "GAP" for further more increase of saturation and clarity.

@ 42:00

The End.

 

[nj-morris]

MY GOD most of you guys have zero idea what you're talking about here.

IPS displays will always be better than OLEDs in colour accuracy, performance, thinness, power management and longevity.

If that wasn't the case, Apple would had started to use them in the iPhone 4 era and move forward with them.

Say no to Super AMOLED, even right now the colours are exaggerated, still too bright and one of the main elements that causes the S6 batt to have draining issues.

No, you have zero idea what you're talking about. You've basically just stated all the things which AMOLED doesn't have. Colour accuracy, I've said this many times before, but IPS is seriously lacking in colour accuracy because it still has that damn backlight. Thinness, you kidding, AMOLEDs have the potential to be built into a thin sheet of plastic 0.2mm thick. Power management, it's been proven time and time again that AMOLEDs drain less power. You're basing all this on the problems of Samsung's latest phones, like battery life, lag and oversaturated colours. That's all TouchWiz through and through. Just install a custom launcher and a custom theme, problem solved.
Oh and 'too bright' that's funny. At least you didn't say that LCDs were brighter.

 

[dagamer34]

It's kind of disturbing to go 3 pages into a thread and not see anyone really reference external facts. Anyway, people need to read this article: http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note5_ShootOut_1.htm

As for the AMOLED display saturation argument, I find that to be quite silly. Samsung purposefully jacks up the saturation *in software*. They also have plenty of super accurate modes on their phones as well (with a Just Noticeable Color Difference below 2.0, which is no longer perceptible to your eye). Apple has full control of the display stack, they can determine what (255, 0, 0) means in the real world.

Apple hasn't used AMOLED because Samsung is the only serious supplier in the quantities Apple now needs. To rely on a major part from a single competitor which they have long history with is less about the technology itself (otherwise why use it on the Apple Watch), but more about business dealings.

The #1 reason to go AMOLED is not requiring a backlight anymore, which means an even thinner phone. The pull is strong for that to happen, and taking a look at some of Samsung's latest phones would definitely demonstrate a clear difference to owners of an iPhone 6/6+ (because it's going to be somewhat difficult to get those people to upgrade when screen size no longer changes).

 

[E2EK1EL]

Been out of town for a vacation, sorry for the late reply.

The S6’s Super AMOLED screen is way too exaggerated with saturation in a lot of areas and still too bright. It’s much improved over my S5’s Super AMOLED, but the Gorilla Glass 4 used on it is way too glossy and thick. Hence way they’ve used super reflective materials on their colours to blend with the ultra glossy thick screen. My coworker complains nonstop about it at his desk, homeboy gotta keep switching the viewing angles because of the ceiling lights glaring the screen. He’s ultra pissed since he got it at launch and now they’ve reduced the price and made that $200.00 switch over incentive program for iPhone users.

Spoken like a true fanroid, sorry to burst your world of a bubble here, I’ve stated the Super AMOLED screen is “one of the many causes” of battery drains. Everyone knows the OEMs skins and carrier bloatware layered on top of Android itself is always a resource hog. Bypassing Touchwiz with a custom 3rd party launcher like Nova, Action, Activate and etc, doesn’t fix the screen issues, you got another hurdle of problems to tackle. Everything looks pale and super off in the You still got Touchwiz sitting inside hogging up 6GB of space. Using a launcher to fix your device is so ancient Palm Treo days with using Z Launcher, X Launcher and etc, back in 2003.


Nova Launcher - Secret Display Mode (Making everything pale)

Now if you’re gonna try the rooting and flashing custom ROMs routes, you’re asking for a mounting of issues to face, you’ll be wasting your time flashing your ROMs nonstop trying to find the best ver and build, in the end something always messes up and you won’t have some factory hardware features. All the ROMs are ripped straight from the Nexus factory images device.

Even if you go to the ultimate route of getting rid of Touchwiz by buying a Google Play Edition ver of your flagship device, loaded with the purest form of Android by Google themselves, sorry to tell you that is doesn’t fix the battery draining issue everyone believes is caused from TouchWiz and HTC Sense. They didn’t sell well and it was canned right after the S5 launched.


Galaxy S4 and HTC One Google Play Edition Battery Life

No wonder why Macrumors is so misformed when you have ppl like nj-morris spitting continuous verbal diarrhea all the time. I feel sorry for those who actually trust his amateur info that he failed to source and his ancient method of "fixing" things that don't work at all.

 

[762999]

Don't want AMOLED unless it has good quality and not exaggerated colours like the Galaxy series.

there are different color profiles that you can use, in the settings.

 

[762999]

Please don't move this.

And then a dark mode. As far as I know, Sammy doesn't have one of these on their phones, and I am very surprised. It's perfect for AMOLED.

S6 and above have a theming engine, you can install any dark themes you wanted. I like your ideas. I have a Note4 and the bigged things holding me up from switching back is the screen and camera. I will probably wait another year before updating.

 

[dagamer34]

Been out of town for a vacation, sorry for the late reply.

The S6’s Super AMOLED screen is way too exaggerated with saturation in a lot of areas and still too bright. It’s much improved over my S5’s Super AMOLED, but the Gorilla Glass 4 used on it is way too glossy and thick. Hence way they’ve used super reflective materials on their colours to blend with the ultra glossy thick screen. My coworker complains nonstop about it at his desk, homeboy gotta keep switching the viewing angles because of the ceiling lights glaring the screen. He’s ultra pissed since he got it at launch and now they’ve reduced the price and made that $200.00 switch over incentive program for iPhone users.

Spoken like a true fanroid, sorry to burst your world of a bubble here, I’ve stated the Super AMOLED screen is “one of the many causes” of battery drains. Everyone knows the OEMs skins and carrier bloatware layered on top of Android itself is always a resource hog. Bypassing Touchwiz with a custom 3rd party launcher like Nova, Action, Activate and etc, doesn’t fix the screen issues, you got another hurdle of problems to tackle. Everything looks pale and super off in the You still got Touchwiz sitting inside hogging up 6GB of space. Using a launcher to fix your device is so ancient Palm Treo days with using Z Launcher, X Launcher and etc, back in 2003.


Nova Launcher - Secret Display Mode (Making everything pale)

Now if you’re gonna try the rooting and flashing custom ROMs routes, you’re asking for a mounting of issues to face, you’ll be wasting your time flashing your ROMs nonstop trying to find the best ver and build, in the end something always messes up and you won’t have some factory hardware features. All the ROMs are ripped straight from the Nexus factory images device.

Even if you go to the ultimate route of getting rid of Touchwiz by buying a Google Play Edition ver of your flagship device, loaded with the purest form of Android by Google themselves, sorry to tell you that is doesn’t fix the battery draining issue everyone believes is caused from TouchWiz and HTC Sense. They didn’t sell well and it was canned right after the S5 launched.


Galaxy S4 and HTC One Google Play Edition Battery Life

No wonder why Macrumors is so misformed when you have ppl like nj-morris spitting continuous verbal diarrhea all the time. I feel sorry for those who actually trust his amateur info that he failed to source and his ancient method of "fixing" things that don't work at all.

Samsung improves the power profile and quality of every flagship they release. So quoting Note 4 results from a year ago is not a good idea when the S6 improved on their display process and the Note 5 is even better than that.

You'll need to show a more recent article than the one I linked to above, because presenting older information and extrapolating from there is not a good argument.

I'll repeat again, separate the technology from the company that makes it. There's a reason why the LG EG9600 was recently called the "best picture quality ever tested" and that has nothing to do with Samsung.

 

[E2EK1EL]

You'll need to show a more recent article than the one I linked to above, because presenting older information and extrapolating from there is not a good argument.

The stat chart was to show the diff between a Samsung S4 with Touchwiz and S4 without TouchWiz officially made by Google. It was not meant to shown anything else like the iPhone 5 vs the S4. Everyone believes TouchWiz is to blame for battery drain by default, but that's not the case every time. Same case with the HTC ONE with Sense and the Google Play Edition without Sense. Plus it was the very final vers of any and all of the GooglePlay editions devices.

Of course hardware consumes less power in each new generations, but you can't compare a new flagship device if there isn't a skinless and bloatware-free ver made by Google at the present time. That chart is the last of the last chart we'll ever see a flagship device running on the purist form of Android next to the Nexus series vs the OEM ver with a OEM skin and carrier bloatware.

 

[0000757]

My initial expectations of the Apple watch was a circular face with all these bio sensors and what did we get instead? A heart rate sensing 80's calculator watch with almost unusable honeycomb home page.

I don't know where that Apple is that we both are fond of..but this isn't the Apple you're looking for.

with that being said Apple still manages to be the best out there which is even more disappointing.

It just seems like we dream bigger about what Apple's products could be than Apple does.

Sounds like you just expect an entirely different company then. Also off topic but are you sure you've actually used an Apple Watch? it's incredibly easy to navigate and entirely usable. Probably one of the best smartwatch interfaces to exist.

This is contradictory to a post in this thread. Also Samsung calls is Super AMOLED. It's not a basic AMOLED panel. If that matters.

Super AMOLED is just a Samsung marketing term. All it is, is just a regular generic AMOLED display with a digitizer. It's just an AMOLED display.

MY GOD most of you guys have zero idea what you're talking about here.

IPS displays will always be better than OLEDs in colour accuracy, performance, thinness, power management and longevity.

If that wasn't the case, Apple would had started to use them in the iPhone 4 era and move forward with them.

Say no to Super AMOLED, even right now the colours are exaggerated, still too bright and one of the main elements that causes the S6 batt to have draining issues.

I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about at all. AMOLED displays completely outclass any standard LCD today. AMOLED may be oversaturated but their color accuracy is still closer than undersaturated LCDs, there's no different in performance or thinness, and AMOLED's are more power efficient because its based on the colors displayed. It wasn't the case with the iPhone 4 because OLED technology was still expensive and in its infancy. Apple waits a long time before adopting anything that the competitors have because they want to make sure the technology has matured enough, its viable, and it can fit within the Apple ecosystem. (See: Fingerprint sensor, NFC, larger screens).

Also it isn't an element at all about "battery draining issues". Don't act like you know what you're talking about.

Guys Apple hates OLED!!!

They use it in the Apple Watch so...

 

[nj-morris]

I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about at all. AMOLED displays completely outclass any standard LCD today. AMOLED may be oversaturated but their color accuracy is still closer than undersaturated LCDs, there's no different in performance or thinness, and AMOLED's are more power efficient because its based on the colors displayed. It wasn't the case with the iPhone 4 because OLED technology was still expensive and in its infancy. Apple waits a long time before adopting anything that the competitors have because they want to make sure the technology has matured enough, its viable, and it can fit within the Apple ecosystem. (See: Fingerprint sensor, NFC, larger screens).

Also it isn't an element at all about "battery draining issues". Don't act like you know what you're talking about.

Exactly. I tried to get everything you just said into his head, but no, I'm just suffering from 'verbal diarrea.' Says him.

 

[Armen]

Sounds like you just expect an entirely different company then. Also off topic but are you sure you've actually used an Apple Watch? it's incredibly easy to navigate and entirely usable. Probably one of the best smartwatch interfaces to exist.

I've had my 42mm SS Apple watch since April 24 (first shipment day of pre-orders). I wear it every day and take advantage of every feature it has to offer. I love this watch.

It seems like we imagine better Apple products than Apple puts out. I personally was expecting this gorgeous round watch with innovative sensors and features. What we got instead was a Mini iphone 3GS with a wrist strap. Sure, it's the nicest looking watch out there but I expected more from Apple.

Have you tried to walk and open the correct app from the honey comb home screen? Either you launch the wrong app or your tap doesn't register. This layout is not well thought out honestly.