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And yet Anand says he would choose the rMini over the Air for himself. I guess he either doesn't care about color reproduction, or he's not going to use it for editing videos and photos.

The rMini is not the same as the Mini 1 in terms of performance, and does better than the iPad 4.

It totally blows away the Mini and is the same in only one aspect, color reproduction.

Oh I forgot, it is a little heavier but many aren't going to complain because they save money over the Air and can use prior accessories.

This whole thing isn't 1st gen Mini versus larger iPad with Retina again to choose between. This rMini makes that 1st gen look tired and old.
 
Funny how this supposed inferior device is getting such good reviews. Engadget, cnet, the Verge, PC. Magazine, Slash Gear, Pocket Lint, etc. all gave the rMini great reviews. I guess all these companies are on Apple's payroll then? Or are addicted to the kool-aid?
 
Man, you really sound like a broken record in every post dealing with gamut complaints. We get it. You're not happy with Apple's decision to use an "inferior" display panel. I think you just need to accept it and move on.

I have moved on; to iPad AIR. Good luck with your mini 2. Hope to see you around the "how much is my mini retina worth" threads when the mini 3 comes out with the right display.
 
Can you link to this "official" confirmation of inferiority? Because all I read was a third party review that said the screen covered a smaller gamut, but the reviewer would still pick the Mini over the Air.

And is a smaller gamut "inferior" to the Android tablets? What's the battery life on those tablets??? Was this a conscious design decision to maintain excellent battery life or a machiavellical scheme by Apple to push "inferior" displays to maximize profit?

Geez Louise.

Hard data proves it provides a smaller gamut. Whether or not that matters is up to you, but don't dismiss the data.
 
I have moved on; to iPad AIR. Good luck with your mini 2. Hope to see you around the "how much is my mini retina worth" threads when the mini 3 comes out with the right display.

I think the 1st gen Mini is holding up pretty well in the secondary market and this rMini makes that one seem like a toy so ....
 
I have moved on; to iPad AIR. Good luck with your mini 2. Hope to see you around the "how much is my mini retina worth" threads when the mini 3 comes out with the right display.

Chill, bro. We get it, you're not happy with the color gamut. Go outside and enjoy life (with your new air). You're everywhere on this forum typing away like an angry child. I'm sorry apple didn't meet your requirements this time around.
 
I don't see the Air as an alternative, it is more like settling.

The rMini is cheaper, is lighter and more portable, you can use prior accessories, etc. etc. If that is what is important to someone, then why settle for something else???

If one doesn't like the rMini, don't buy it. Many probably have other ipads to fall back on already anyway so ....
 
No more washed out colors EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!! :mad: //mommy dearest

bwuahaha.

anyways, I think the mini is the future of the iPad line. giving it the same styling and and internals with cheaper price makes it perfect. my pcktrckt :D
 
Hard data proves it provides a smaller gamut. Whether or not that matters is up to you, but don't dismiss the data.

I am not dismissing anything. I am pointing out the FACT that the review refers to the biggest issue of a smaller gamut being that competitors have a larger one. And the FACT that the iPad Mini WIPES THE FLOOR with those competitors in terms of battery life.

Soooooo, rather than "dismiss", I am challenging the "official confirmation of display inferiority" and instead stating an "official confirmation of "design superiority". Because, you know, size, battery life, processor performance, and those little details also matter. A lot more than the gamut to most folks.
 
^^^Zboater - sorry man, it's inferior because it's the same as a mini 1 and yes, the choice comes down to personal preference but you didn't read this clearly:

"I suspect the justification here is Apple likely views the bigger iPad as being a better fit for photographers/those who care about color reproduction, but it’s a shame that this is a tradeoff that exists between the two iPads especially given how good Apple is about sRGB coverage in nearly all of its other displays."

But every device is a trade off. The Nexus 7 has a good color gamut, excellent graphics, and good battery life but has a slower CPU and its screen is 30% smaller than the iPad mini's and less conducive to reading documents and websites. Both are great devices. Each is better than the other in some categories and worse in others.
 
I chose the iPad Air for myself after carefully weighing the many pros and few cons of each of them, but I can also admit that both are incredibly good devices. Just as with the iPhone 5s vs 5c threads, I just don't see why it has to be a situation where so many people have to viciously denigrate one device to justify their selection of the other. Both of the new iPads are truly superb as are both of the new iPhones.
 
I like that he said the difference is colors popping but the rMINI has great color accuracy. I really hate unnatural colors that seem to be the trend in the mobile market right now.
 
I have moved on; to iPad AIR. Good luck with your mini 2. Hope to see you around the "how much is my mini retina worth" threads when the mini 3 comes out with the right display.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't sell any of my iPads. I give the old ones to my family members. :D
 
Very good test. Conclusion is the same as mine. IPad mini's form factor is so superior that it is better choise despite the little less saturated colours. I will upgrade my old mini to a new with Retina.
 
I find the airs form factor better. It's easier on the eyes both in terms of color and size. Only advantage I see in the mini is if you have a pocket or purse you can carry it in where you can't with the air. Also standing on public transportation the mini has the edge. For sitting around the air is far better in my opinion. I have both.
 
It's not the same gamut as the mini 1.

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I'd say its competitive to the N7.
 
I have moved on; to iPad AIR. Good luck with your mini 2. Hope to see you around the "how much is my mini retina worth" threads when the mini 3 comes out with the right display.

I won't be so surprised if it's actually you saying that. If the rumors of apple doubling the resolution of the air/pro, your air indeed will be old news, with less real estate, etc (I own an air too so I'm not bashing if anyone wants to take it there)
 
Last year’s iPad mini was easy to recommend, and this year’s is even easier. To my surprise however, the iPad Air continues to hold some advantages that may resonate well with some users.

The biggest in my eyes is the iPad Air’s wider gamut display with full sRGB coverage. The mini’s Retina Display is good, the Air’s is just better...

It appears all the questions about the MiniRetina's display were founded in reality after all.
 
I won't be so surprised if it's actually you saying that. If the rumors of apple doubling the resolution of the air/pro, your air indeed will be old news, with less real estate, etc (I own an air too so I'm not bashing if anyone wants to take it there)

with iOS 7, it doesn't even matter even if you 8x the resolution. iOS is so ugly and pathetic on a tablet. What are they going to do, add another row of icons? iPad needs an UI of it's own.

I'm responding in context of the iPad mini retina owners who say it's ok to keep this one because you know for sure apple will "fix" this gamut issue in gen 3!
 
After reading the review in more depth, I found the information about the SoC more interesting than the display, particularly the part in bold:

The iPad mini with Retina Display rounds out the three platforms that use Apple’s A7 SoC. Although both the iPad Air and iPhone 5S use the A7, the mini’s implementation is closer in nature to the iPhone. The iPad mini’s SoC has always used the same package-on-package (PoP) assembly as the iPhone, with DRAM stacked on top of the SoC itself (1GB in this case). The benefit is obviously a reduction in board area, the downsides have to do with cost and thermals. That’s the first similarity between the mini’s A7 and the iPhone’s A7.

The second is one of frequencies. While the iPad Air’s A7 runs its two Cyclone CPU cores at up to 1.4GHz, the SoC in the iPad mini and the iPhone 5S runs at up to 1.3GHz. That might sound like a minor difference, but it’s far more pronounced when you look at what happens to frequency when you’re running heavy workloads.

Once again I turn to a fairly heavy CPU workload to plot performance over time. This is a multithreaded workload, slightly modified from what we used in the iPad Air review, designed to make the CPU cores consume max power. The scale is linear and the workload is the same across all devices, so what you’re effectively looking at is a graph of thermally bound CPU performance over time across all three A7 implementations.

Being the largest device (and the only device with a metal heat spreader and no DRAM stacked on top), the iPad Air obviously maintains the highest frequencies for the duration of the test. The iPhone 5S, with a significant reduction in internal volume (and a PoP SoC) reduces its CPU frequencies early on in order to keep skin temperature down and properly manage thermals. The iPad mini with Retina Display falls between the two, with its performance curve more closely following that of the iPhone 5S.

Although the mini has a similar max operating frequency to the iPhone 5S, it is a faster device thanks to it being less thermally constrained. Similarly, the iPad Air can be much faster than its clock speed would otherwise imply. If you’re wondering why Apple has been so focused on building its own SoCs and CPU architectures, this is the reason why. There’s a fixed amount of power you can dissipate in the form of heat in these mobile devices while still maintaining a good user experience. Performance per watt is the gating metric for success in mobile, and shipping high IPC/low frequency dual-core SoCs at 32/28nm is the best optimization available to a company like Apple today.

As you’d expect, our browser based CPU tests show the mini’s A7 performing in between the iPhone 5S and iPad Air. None of these tests are anywhere near as stressful as our thermal test from above, so we don’t see exaggerated differences in performance between the platforms. For most, I suspect you won’t notice a huge performance difference between the mini and Air. Those who are heavier users (e.g. audio mixing, 3D gaming, etc…), there will be a performance difference between the two iPads.

Turns of 100 MHz difference and different arrangement of the chip makes quite a bit of difference under intensive tasks.
 
You have a funny definition of "quite a bit". Have you seem the performance benchmark comparisons?

I'm paraphrasing the review itself , take it up with Anand if you have a problem with it, not me.

His exact words were:

" That might sound like a minor difference, but it’s far more pronounced when you look at what happens to frequency when you’re running heavy workloads."

Which is even stronger than what I said. So why don't you send him an email and let him know how much of a hardware expert you are, instead of directing your remark towards me?

And the benchmarks are in the review.
 
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"It’s worth pointing out that the red Smart Case is a less saturated color than the red Smart Cover I evaluated with the iPad Air."

OH EM GEE even the red from the mini's case is less saturated than the air's cover!
 
Here's the review:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7519/apple-ipad-mini-with-retina-display-reviewed

And the page that we've all been waiting for (Page 3 - Display):

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7519/apple-ipad-mini-with-retina-display-reviewed/3


Key tidbits regarding the display:

"Apple sampled me a black Smart Cover and a Product Red Smart Case for the iPad mini. I thought both looked great on the space grey mini. It’s worth pointing out that the red Smart Case is a less saturated color than the red Smart Cover I evaluated with the iPad Air."

Even the Smart Case has color gamut issues!!!
 
After reading the review in more depth, I found the information about the SoC more interesting than the display, particularly the part in bold:



Turns of 100 MHz difference and different arrangement of the chip makes quite a bit of difference under intensive tasks.

I think it's more the thermals. Because it can dissipate heat better, it can sustain maximum performance for longer. That's another reason why the A7 compares favorably to the quad-core Snapdragon 800 that is popular with Android OEMs. Put the two processors in a device the size of a MacBook Air with proper ventilation and thermal controls, and the Snapdragon might outperform the A7 in CPU-intensive tasks. Put the same chips into a device the size of a phone or tablet, and the story changes.

That's what Apple has figured out a year or so ahead of everyone else. AnandTech has said that given today's thermal technology, 1.2GHz is the "sweet spot" for mobile processors. The A7 runs at 1.3GHz or 1.4GHz depending on the device. The Snapdragon 800 is often run at 2.3GHz. Sure, it "wins" some souped up specs, but in real-world usage it throttles down more quickly.

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it’s worth pointing out that the red smart case is a less saturated color than the red smart cover i evaluated with the ipad air."

even the smart case has color gamut issues!!!

:)
 
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