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TechGod

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Now this is what I am looking to see. This gives us both single and multi-core ratings and the iPad 2 looks pretty amazing. Hopefully, now that it has 2gb of RAM and I look at another webpage and then come back to this one, it won't reload my data (or in many cases, lose all the info I had typed!)

It will be interesting to see the Nexus 9 vs iPad Air 2! I think I have dropped the Mini 3 off my radar, since it is still using the A7 chip.

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Best part is that it is the iPhone A8. We don't have A8X benchmarks yet but that early reports shoe the A8X matches the K1 CPU wise, which is impressive.
 

mclld

macrumors 68030
Nov 6, 2012
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I am on android 4.4 on my spice android one( low end stock android phone in India) and its really a wonder how far android has come. its ultra smooth almost as smooth as my iPad mini. that too on very modest hardware

I was curious to hear impressions on those phones. I imagine they will be hugely popular. How is the reception among people in India for the phones?
 

ecrispy

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Oct 27, 2013
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The actual financials aren't public, nor are the overheads. What is known is how little innovation Apple has over the years compared to everyone else. There are a number of excuses for this, such as 'you can't see what goes on behind the scenes', 'can't improve on perfection', 'its all intangible and in the feel' etc etc, yet you can't really argue with facts.

Apple's releases are buggy, their big bets like Maps, Siri are not even in the same league as the competition, the basic UI of iOS/OSX hasn't changed at all, the biggest changes have been features copied from Android/WP.

There's no backwards compatibility, Apple has built in obsolescence to force you to upgrade. People like to say Android phones don't get updates which is true, but what good is an iOS update if it runs like crap on any device >1 gen old, if it purposely blocks features from older hardware?

Android/WP releases breathe new life into older devices, they are faster and more optimized. New versions of iOS are fat, bloated and lag on anything but the newest version.

And yet Apple has by far the highest profit margin and least open/responsive product. Maybe some believe they are that good, but you'd be a fool to deny the impact of their marketing machine and lobbyists.
 

daneoni

macrumors G4
Mar 24, 2006
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The actual financials aren't public, nor are the overheads. What is known is how little innovation Apple has over the years compared to everyone else. There are a number of excuses for this, such as 'you can't see what goes on behind the scenes', 'can't improve on perfection', 'its all intangible and in the feel' etc etc, yet you can't really argue with facts.

Apple's releases are buggy, their big bets like Maps, Siri are not even in the same league as the competition, the basic UI of iOS/OSX hasn't changed at all, the biggest changes have been features copied from Android/WP.

There's no backwards compatibility, Apple has built in obsolescence to force you to upgrade. People like to say Android phones don't get updates which is true, but what good is an iOS update if it runs like crap on any device >1 gen old, if it purposely blocks features from older hardware?

Android/WP releases breathe new life into older devices, they are faster and more optimized. New versions of iOS are fat, bloated and lag on anything but the newest version.

And yet Apple has by far the highest profit margin and least open/responsive product. Maybe some believe they are that good, but you'd be a fool to deny the impact of their marketing machine and lobbyists.

No offence but what you've just said is one of the most insanely nonsensical things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may mercy fall on your soul.

I mean seriously...try not to be so obvious about your extreme prejudices.
 

TechGod

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Feb 25, 2014
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The actual financials aren't public, nor are the overheads. What is known is how little innovation Apple has over the years compared to everyone else. There are a number of excuses for this, such as 'you can't see what goes on behind the scenes', 'can't improve on perfection', 'its all intangible and in the feel' etc etc, yet you can't really argue with facts.

Apple's releases are buggy, their big bets like Maps, Siri are not even in the same league as the competition, the basic UI of iOS/OSX hasn't changed at all, the biggest changes have been features copied from Android/WP.

There's no backwards compatibility, Apple has built in obsolescence to force you to upgrade. People like to say Android phones don't get updates which is true, but what good is an iOS update if it runs like crap on any device >1 gen old, if it purposely blocks features from older hardware?

Android/WP releases breathe new life into older devices, they are faster and more optimized. New versions of iOS are fat, bloated and lag on anything but the newest version.

And yet Apple has by far the highest profit margin and least open/responsive product. Maybe some believe they are that good, but you'd be a fool to deny the impact of their marketing machine and lobbyists.
Wow....
 

I7guy

macrumors Nehalem
Nov 30, 2013
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Gotta be in it to win it
No offence but what you've just said is one of the most insanely nonsensical things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may mercy fall on your soul.

I mean seriously...try not to be so obvious about your extreme prejudices.

Response of the year to the most Ill thought out post of the year.
 

Oletros

macrumors 603
Jul 27, 2009
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Apparently, Google wants to take root access away from us in Lollipop.

XDA-Developers: Android L is for Lockdown. http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIwuJngwB8

Apparently that is not what the article says

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The actual financials aren't public, nor are the overheads. What is known is how little innovation Apple has over the years compared to everyone else. There are a number of excuses for this, such as 'you can't see what goes on behind the scenes', 'can't improve on perfection', 'its all intangible and in the feel' etc etc, yet you can't really argue with facts.

Apple's releases are buggy, their big bets like Maps, Siri are not even in the same league as the competition, the basic UI of iOS/OSX hasn't changed at all, the biggest changes have been features copied from Android/WP.

There's no backwards compatibility, Apple has built in obsolescence to force you to upgrade. People like to say Android phones don't get updates which is true, but what good is an iOS update if it runs like crap on any device >1 gen old, if it purposely blocks features from older hardware?

Android/WP releases breathe new life into older devices, they are faster and more optimized. New versions of iOS are fat, bloated and lag on anything but the newest version.

And yet Apple has by far the highest profit margin and least open/responsive product. Maybe some believe they are that good, but you'd be a fool to deny the impact of their marketing machine and lobbyists.

Too obvious
 

Savor

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Jun 18, 2010
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Anybody who experienced Helio Ocean, T-Mobile Sidekick, Palm webOS, or wireless charging with their Palm Pre Touchstone back then already knew the brilliance of Matias Duarte. The only knock was Palm was in financial dire straits and the hardware just wasn't there to cater the intuitive software.

When Duarte was hired by Google back in 2010, I remember him saying he came around when Google was working on Honeycomb and Google had already finished on Gingerbread. He said working on Android was like trying to move around statues. Then Duarte pretty much gave Android a makeover with Ice Cream Sandwich which started to shed Android's ugly duckling reputation with the Tron-like Holo interface from Honeycomb before it.

Duarte once said to Josh Topolsky that iOS looked too cartoony and Windows Phone looked like signs we see in an airport. He started implementing Qii charging to Nexus devices and gave Google Now the webOS card-like interface by 2012. Now he is introducing Material Design to us all.

Since Jelly Bean, every update Google has a pet project that they work on to iron out Android's weaknesses. In JB, it was Project Butter to give Android its 60 fps and smoothness/responsiveness. In KitKat, it was Project Svelte to keep RAM low so that phones with only 512 MB can still be updated. With Lollipop, it is Project Volta to increase battery life by over 30%.

I like that Google hasn't rested on its laurels like their neighbors from Cupertino. Google works on Android's weaknesses every year. And it took only three years for Android to get another visual makeover unlike its main rival which took until its 7th gen to get their first.
 

TechGod

macrumors 68040
Feb 25, 2014
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Anybody who experienced Helio Ocean, T-Mobile Sidekick, Palm webOS, or wireless charging with their Palm Pre Touchstone back then already knew the brilliance of Matias Duarte. The only knock was Palm was in financial dire straits and the hardware just wasn't there to cater the intuitive software.

When Duarte was hired by Google back in 2010, I remember him saying he came around when Google was working on Honeycomb and Google had already finished on Gingerbread. He said working on Android was like trying to move around statues. Then Duarte pretty much gave Android a makeover with Ice Cream Sandwich which started to shed Android's ugly duckling reputation with the Tron-like Holo interface from Honeycomb before it.

Duarte once said to Josh Topolsky that iOS looked too cartoony and Windows Phone looked like signs we see in an airport. He started implementing Qii charging to Nexus devices and gave Google Now the webOS card-like interface by 2012. Now he is introducing Material Design to us all.

Since Jelly Bean, every update Google has a pet project that they work on to iron out Android's weaknesses. In JB, it was Project Butter to give Android its 60 fps and smoothness/responsiveness. In KitKat, it was Project Svelte to keep RAM low so that phones with only 512 MB can still be updated. With Lollipop, it is Project Volta to increase battery life by over 30%.

I like that Google hasn't rested on its laurels like their neighbors from Cupertino. Google works on Android's weaknesses every year. And it took only three years for Android to get another visual makeover unlike its main rival which took until its 7th gen to get their first.
Android NEEDED the UI changes.

And those projects they did? Because Android NEEDED them. iOS was smooth and snappy before, iOS had great battery management before, so not a fair comparison.

Apple hasn't been standing still either. If you actually noticed things about iOS 8, it was how much more open they are compared to iOS 8.

If I told you a year or two ago that iOS would have third party keyboards would you believe me? If I told you that the iPhone 6 would have significantly bigger display would you believe me? If I told you they would release a phablet, would you believe me? Sure Google is improving faster than Apple but please don't say Apple is doing nothing, because they actually are.
 

I7guy

macrumors Nehalem
Nov 30, 2013
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Gotta be in it to win it
Android NEEDED the UI changes.

And those projects they did? Because Android NEEDED them. iOS was smooth and snappy before, iOS had great battery management before, so not a fair comparison.

Apple hasn't been standing still either. If you actually noticed things about iOS 8, it was how much more open they are compared to iOS 8.

If I told you a year or two ago that iOS would have third party keyboards would you believe me? If I told you that the iPhone 6 would have significantly bigger display would you believe me? If I told you they would release a phablet, would you believe me? Sure Google is improving faster than Apple but please don't say Apple is doing nothing, because they actually are.

Google is improving android faster than apple improving IOS because android was such a mess there was no where to go but up.
 

Dontazemebro

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Jul 23, 2010
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I dunno, somewhere in West Texas
Apparently, Google wants to take root access away from us in Lollipop.

XDA-Developers: Android L is for Lockdown. http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIwuJngwB8

That's not what it says. Root can no longer be accessed on boot up but can be bypassed using a custom kernel. What that means is, Google will leave the door open for root and it's up to the OEMs whether they will allow for the bootloader to be unlocked. As for Nexus devices, Google will NOT deny us access to the bootloader and root is still alive and kicking.
 

ecrispy

macrumors regular
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Oct 27, 2013
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That's not what it says. Root can no longer be accessed on boot up but can be bypassed using a custom kernel. What that means is, Google will leave the door open for root and it's up to the OEMs whether they will allow for the bootloader to be unlocked. As for Nexus devices, Google will NOT deny us access to the bootloader and root is still alive and kicking.

In practice this means only Nexus and GPE devices, and some good oem's like HTC, will allow root.

Linking root to an unlocked boot loader is a huge blow, since root used to be much much easier.
 

Dontazemebro

macrumors 68020
Jul 23, 2010
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I dunno, somewhere in West Texas
In practice this means only Nexus and GPE devices, and some good oem's like HTC, will allow root.



Linking root to an unlocked boot loader is a huge blow, since root used to be much much easier.


In a practical sense, yes. In all actuality though, nearly every device will eventually get root (if it's popular enough) because either the OEMs will cave or the bootloaders will get cracked.
 

mattopotamus

macrumors G5
Jun 12, 2012
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No offence but what you've just said is one of the most insanely nonsensical things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may mercy fall on your soul.

I mean seriously...try not to be so obvious about your extreme prejudices.

Response of the year to the most Ill thought out post of the year.

billy madison.
 

Oohara

macrumors 68040
Jun 28, 2012
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No offence but what you've just said is one of the most insanely nonsensical things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may mercy fall on your soul.

I mean seriously...try not to be so obvious about your extreme prejudices.

This one is a bit dated but sometimes it's the only appropriate comment:

pwnt
 

viskon

macrumors 6502
Oct 20, 2012
464
10
In a practical sense, yes. In all actuality though, nearly every device will eventually get root (if it's popular enough) because either the OEMs will cave or the bootloaders will get cracked.

But now, people on non-Nexus , locked down devices that want root will now have to hope and pray, just like iPhone users waiting for jailbreak.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

macrumors G3
Oct 27, 2009
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But now, people on non-Nexus , locked down devices that want root will now have to hope and pray, just like iPhone users waiting for jailbreak.

That's not true.

That might be somewhat true for the run of the mill budget Android devices, but even most of those can be rooted using non device specific methods.

Most flagship and premium devices are usually available for root extremely quickly. Just look how fast the Note 4 was rooted.

Also a huge benefit is that after incremental updates, you can easily apply the same root method afterwards. With iOS, every little update breaks the existing jailbreak method, and you are force to wait for another method.

I was already rooted before the T-mobile update. After I updated, I was able to easily root again. Had the same experience with previous Android devices on AT&T.
 

ecrispy

macrumors regular
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Oct 27, 2013
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In a practical sense, yes. In all actuality though, nearly every device will eventually get root (if it's popular enough) because either the OEMs will cave or the bootloaders will get cracked.

Phones like S4, S5, Note 3, all the Droid's, have been waiting years for a boot loader exploit. None has been found. And the oem's aren't going to make it possible, only HTC does that.

Its much much harder to do that than root.

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That's not true.

That might be somewhat true for the run of the mill budget Android devices, but even most of those can be rooted using non device specific methods.

Most flagship and premium devices are usually available for root extremely quickly. Just look how fast the Note 4 was rooted.

Also a huge benefit is that after incremental updates, you can easily apply the same root method afterwards. With iOS, every little update breaks the existing jailbreak method, and you are force to wait for another method.

I was already rooted before the T-mobile update. After I updated, I was able to easily root again. Had the same experience with previous Android devices on AT&T.

L makes it impossible to get root without unlocking the bootloader and flashing a custom kernel, which is impossible on many phones today and there is no reason to expect it will be possible in the future.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

macrumors G3
Oct 27, 2009
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L makes it impossible to get root without unlocking the bootloader and flashing a custom kernel, which is impossible on many phones today and there is no reason to expect it will be possible in the future.

Where did you get that info from?

Not saying you are wrong, just curious at looking in to it.
 
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