Tablets Android tablets are dead

[mi7chy]

What does McDonalds have to do with this discussion?

That means not all of us base our product evaluation and purchasing decision on herd mentality limited to a single brand vs technical merit across multiple brands. Same reason McDonald's isn't a top or healthy choice for eatery even though they've served billions.

Plus, you're still wrong. Except for Amazon the others lost YoY growth so iPad is deader than Amazon Fire.

 

[nickdalzell1]

If Amazon leads for any reason it's because it's cheap. Their tablets are cheap. Much like McDonald's food. Doesn't mean either are good though.

 

[mi7chy]

They're both junk food category except one is ~2x higher priced and junkier with near obsolete 3GB DRAM ($180 Fire HD 10 Plus vs $329 iPad 8th gen). I paid $400 for Lenovo Yoga 6 8GB/256GB 2-in-1 which is miles more versatile, can play Cyberpunk 2077/Doom Eternal/etc. at 720/900p low and with better longevity.

 

[nickdalzell1]

I paid $69 for a Walmart 8" ONN brand tablet that runs circles around any Amazon Fire Tablet.

 

[WriteNow]

There were countless times I brought my XT in to repair and the mechanic said "That's a Honda not a Subaru!" and had to constantly correct them. They honestly thought I slapped a Subaru badge on a Prelude.

It does look a bit Honda-like in some ways--but it's obviously not a Honda.

Then to explain to them how it was FWD (not AWD as most were) and them looking at the engine mounted longitudinally and getting seriously confused. They were dead-set assuming all front-wheel drive vehicles have them mounted transversely.

I'm not a mechanic, and can't do more than very simple things (e.g., oil change). But even I know that there are cars with longitudinal engines/front wheel drive!

 

[TiggrToo]

That means not all of us base our product evaluation and purchasing decision on herd mentality limited to a single brand vs technical merit across multiple brands. Same reason McDonald's isn't a top or healthy choice for eatery even though they've served billions.

Plus, you're still wrong. Except for Amazon the others lost YoY growth so iPad is deader than Amazon Fire.

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You made a generalized statement that iPads were "deader" than Android. Still not seeing how that is when Apple (a single manufacturer) commanded over 35% of the market in Q3 2021 - and leading their nearest competition by nigh on 100%. In any businesses book that makes them a runaway success.

Even YOUR figures show that Apple's iPads - which are priced at a significantly higher price than anything Amazon produce, still outsold Amazon's tablets by a massive 386%.

All you can do is point to a year on year difference and feel that somehow means that Apple are doomed in the tablet space, when the facts demonstrate that the truth is they enjoy an exceptionally healthy market share.

You've still failed to demonstrate with actual facts just how you came to your conclusion.

How about you quit with the biased anti-Apple nonsense and just focused on facts. Just for once.

 

[WriteNow]

I paid $69 for a Walmart 8" ONN brand tablet that runs circles around any Amazon Fire Tablet.

Interesting! I know someone who got an ONN tablet, and was apparently happy (although it wans't intended to be a long term primary device). I have to admit I'm a bit tempted...but I'm not a fan of Walmart. And I honestly wonder what sort of spying/data collection might go on... Although admittedly it's not like more expensive Android tablets are going to be better in that regard.

 

[TiggrToo]

They're both junk food category except one is ~2x higher priced and junkier with near obsolete 3GB DRAM ($180 Fire HD 10 Plus vs $329 iPad 8th gen). I paid $400 for Lenovo Yoga 6 8GB/256GB 2-in-1 which is miles more versatile, can play Cyberpunk 2077/Doom Eternal/etc. at 720/900p low and with better longevity.

Way to go in leaping from Android tablets to Windows.

 

[nickdalzell1]

ONN brand tablets are just stock Android. Plus some pre-loaded Walmart apps you can easily disable. Updates might be an issue long-term but me no believe in updates.

 

[nickdalzell1]

It does look a bit Honda-like in some ways--but it's obviously not a Honda.

It did resemble the Honda Prelude, completely down to mimicing the 'graphical situation display' (little car icon that depicts open doors and such) as well as those super-annoying 'automatic shoulder belts'. But Subaru took things further and to an odd level. For example, the low gear (1st) you put the shifter into 2nd, then had to click a button below it called '1 hold'. There were vent direction controls on the right control 'stalk' attached to the steering wheel, but the temp and fan controls were in the center console. The control 'stalks' were a Subaru tradition dating back to the 70's GL-10 hatchbacks. Even American cars such as the Mercury Topaz copied them a tad.


Honda Prelude:


Subaru XT6:

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

That means not all of us base our product evaluation and purchasing decision on herd mentality limited to a single brand vs technical merit across multiple brands. Same reason McDonald's isn't a top or healthy choice for eatery even though they've served billions.

Plus, you're still wrong. Except for Amazon the others lost YoY growth so iPad is deader than Amazon Fire.

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How often do people generally upgrade tablets, every 4-5 years? It’s always been a market that is slower than the likes of the smartphone sector. Plus not everybody buys a tablet based on its technical merit. My iPad is used for surfing the web and watching a bit of video content. The continuity between my iPhone for iMessage and FaceTime is also a leading factor for why I have an iPad and the reason most people in my family and social groups have them.

Not sure what you mean by ‘herd mentality’? Are you suggesting people only buy iPads because they don’t understand what they are buying or something? How about you break away from your anti-Apple bias for once and see the bigger picture. Not everybody is a gamer like yourself who brags about specs. It means naff all to most as long as the product is easy and pleasant to use.

 

[ian87w]

Let's hope Google paid more attention to tablets with Android 12L.
Tablets are increasingly more lucrative market due to pandemic as many people are opting to get an Android tablet vs a "more complicated" Windows laptop. More and more OEMs like Xiaomi, Realme, and even Nokia are jumping into the Android tablet bandwagon recently. Hopefully this would push Google to not ignore the tablet market anymore.

 

[nickdalzell1]

How often do people generally upgrade tablets, every 4-5 years? It’s always been a market that is slower than the likes of the smartphone sector. Plus not everybody buys a tablet based on its technical merit. My iPad is used for surfing the web and watching a bit of video content. The continuity between my iPhone for iMessage and FaceTime is also a leading factor for why I have an iPad and the reason most people in my family and social groups have them.

Not sure what you mean by ‘herd mentality’? Are you suggesting people only buy iPads because they don’t understand what they are buying or something? How about you break away from your anti-Apple bias for once and see the bigger picture. Not everybody is a gamer like yourself who brags about specs. It means naff all to most as long as the product is easy and pleasant to use.

I only use tablets for the same thing I used the original iPad for when it first launched---media consumption, simple browsing, reading ebooks, playing some mobile games, listening to music. For a long time I lived in a camper where having a laptop was less practical (needing to be plugged in and the couch had no nearby outlet).

That use case has not changed at all. Heck, what I used a smartphone for then has hardly changed today. The only things I do now that I couldn't do then was mobile/NFC payments and smartwatches. All the same apps I used for music playback, ebooks, web browsing, calculation and note-taking are still used today, same versions as in 2009-10. I keep all those APKs backed up. So in reality other than mobile payments and smartwatch support, I could still be as happy today with a Samsung Galaxy SII as I am with an S20 FE 5G.

 

[WriteNow]

ONN brand tablets are just stock Android. Plus some pre-loaded Walmart apps you can easily disable.

Reassuring--although stock Android still has privacy concerns...

Updates might be an issue long-term but me no believe in updates.

Update issues are also typical... Although I'm not sure how much I'd be concerned. I do believe in updates--but there is no way I'd use anything standard Android for anything more than a secondary device, probably used for very limited uses. I'm just to concerned about things like privacy issues.

 

[nickdalzell1]

Just get NetGuard APK and cut the internet off to anything Google/Walmart, and even go so far as to disable Google Play Services and their apps and you get pretty much what Lineage OS is. Bare bones, FOSS Android.

I refuse to use any apps that force updates or pester me to install them. I have enough to worry about in life to be nagged that a newer version of Samsung Music is available when all I want is to play some MP3s. I just want the confidence to tap an app icon and go about my business. Probably one reason among many why I still use Android 2.3 apps.

 

[Michael Scrip]

Ironically enough the rednecks actually love the Brat pickup (ugly as it is) and folks who adore MPG still cling to the Justy.

My first car was a 1991 Subaru Justy.

Crank windows... no A/C... 12" wheels... 3 cylinders... it was the basest of base models... ?

My dad drove it as a commuter car... then I took it to college in '95

It's rare to see Justy mentioned anywhere. Thank you!

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[nickdalzell1]

Justys still exist in the more project parts of Owensboro. Them and old 1990s Outbacks falling apart. Justys remind me of a Subaru variant of a Chevy Chevette or Ford Festiva. About as simple as a Subaru ever got.

It still holds the record for being the only manual transmission car in existence with a 'hill holder' feature. meaning you could keep your foot on the clutch without your foot on the brake uphill without it rolling backwards.

 

[Michael Scrip]

Justys still exist in the more project parts of Owensboro. Them and old 1990s Outbacks falling apart. Justys remind me of a Subaru variant of a Chevy Chevette or Ford Festiva. About as simple as a Subaru ever got.

It still holds the record for being the only manual transmission car in existence with a 'hill holder' feature. meaning you could keep your foot on the clutch without your foot on the brake uphill without it rolling backwards.

I went to college in the mountain of North Carolina near Asheville. There were tons of Justys there. Very popular car. Mostly the AWD versions. Great in the snow.

Mine was a base-model Justy DL though... so no hill-holder or AWD for me.

I did add aftermarket cruise-control... and an Alpine CD player. It was the 90's after all.

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[nickdalzell1]

Well, the Justy, much like a VW Beetle from the 60s, was the only Subaru you could work on. Probably explains why so many survive while their more computery cousins have gone extinct or are running on 4 out of 6 cylinders belching out blue smoke and having probably 6 warning lights lit up on the dash.

I have that 'ding dong' Seatbelt 'bell' imprinted in my head. I wonder if Subaru still uses that today? It used to be their trademark. Or should I say 'ding! Clack!' as the second chime always failed after a few years.

 

[Michael Scrip]

Well, the Justy, much like a VW Beetle from the 60s, was the only Subaru you could work on. Probably explains why so many survive while their more computery cousins have gone extinct or are running on 4 out of 6 cylinders belching out blue smoke and having probably 6 warning lights lit up on the dash.

I have that 'ding dong' Seatbelt 'bell' imprinted in my head. I wonder if Subaru still uses that today? It used to be their trademark. Or should I say 'ding! Clack!' as the second chime always failed after a few years.

Speaking of seatbelts... my Justy had those "automatic" seatbelts that were hooked into the door. You could open the door and slide in since they stayed buckled.

That was a much better implementation than the kind that had the *motorized* shoulder belt and you still have to buckle the lap belt.

Thanks for the trip down memory lane!

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[nickdalzell1]

1991 Chevy Cavailer had that version of 'auto belts' too. Same for early Geo Metros. Honda and some Subarus tried to motorize them as did the Mercury Topaz/Tempo and guess what failed shortly after you bought the car? Hopefully in the position where you could still use them manually. My XT the spring went 'sproing!' and shot out of the C Pillar and never worked again. Thankfully I could still buckle it manually, although the chime was going off the entire time you drove it as it thought you never buckled it!

Automatic motorized seat belts were all the high-tech rage in the late 80s-early 1990s.

 

[mi7chy]

I only use tablets for the same thing I used the original iPad for when it first launched---media consumption, simple browsing, reading ebooks, playing some mobile games, listening to music. For a long time I lived in a camper where having a laptop was less practical (needing to be plugged in and the couch had no nearby outlet).

Needing to be plugged in is an Intel characteristic. AMD U series CPU like the 4650U in Lenovo Yoga 6 is thrifty on power consumption. Here's using ~3.4W watching YouTube. With 60Wh battery / 3.4W consumption = upwards of ~17 hours battery life so need need to plug in. Too bad they don't make a Surface-like tablet version vs 360 convertible though.

 

[macOS Lynx]

Wouldn’t Android tablets have to have been alive first to be dead?

 

[nickdalzell1]

Needing to be plugged in is an Intel characteristic. AMD U series CPU like the 4650U in Lenovo Yoga 6 is thrifty on power consumption. Here's using ~3.4W watching YouTube. With 60Wh battery / 3.4W consumption = upwards of ~17 hours battery life so need need to plug in. Too bad they don't make a Surface-like tablet version vs 360 convertible though.

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Well, this was 2007, when laptop batteries barely made it past the 2-hour mark, much less all day while watching video

 

[jimimac71]

1. Citation for the 62% figure, please.
2. Can you please keep to the subject. Talking about Apple Macs only continues to weaken any hope you had of maintaining a position.

Aren’t we talkin’ ‘bout cars?