Android Vs. Windows 8/Windows 10...

[mi7chy]

How is the Android UI for pen and mouse better than Windows?

Touch and pen. Just use a Galaxy Note and you'll see the differences. Windows and iOS feel like an inconsistent and non-intuitive afterthought in comparison and iOS doesn't even support mouse input which the others do. Just some examples of Windows 8 less polished touch and pen areas are virtual keyboard doesn't snap away when done inputting text in tablet mode so you have to manually hide it, doesn't intelligently shift screen up such as replying in forums so the virtual keyboard hides the content, text selection is awkward and inconsistent like iOS, switching between virtual keyboard/pen transcription/voice dictation isn't as easy nor consistent across all software, pen transcription isn't as good, etc. just to name a few. For now I carry Note and Surface Pro 3 for the best of both worlds but wish they marry and give birth to Surface Note phone that combine the best of both in one device and Smart Dock.

 

[spinedoc77]

Apple Newton proceeded that ...

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Grid icons and stylus

Having a row of icons preceded even the Newton:

 

[spinedoc77]

Touch and pen. Just use a Galaxy Note and you'll see the differences. Windows and iOS feel like an inconsistent and non-intuitive afterthought in comparison and iOS doesn't even support mouse input which the others do. Just some examples of Windows 8 less polished touch and pen areas are virtual keyboard doesn't snap away when done inputting text in tablet mode so you have to manually hide it, doesn't intelligently shift screen up such as replying in forums so the virtual keyboard hides the content, text selection is awkward and inconsistent like iOS, switching between virtual keyboard/pen transcription/voice dictation isn't as easy nor consistent across all software, pen transcription isn't as good, etc. just to name a few. For now I carry Note and Surface Pro 3 for the best of both worlds but wish they marry and give birth to Surface Note phone that combine the best of both in one device and Smart Dock.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I haven't found anything to match the power of OneNote paired with windows. OneNote on Android is pretty nice and unequaled IMO on that platform, but OneNote in windows soundly trounces it. The pen UI is MUCH more powerful on windows, but as you pointed out it can be complicated at times.

PS I also use a SP3 and a Note 4 and find the combination is quite fantastic, especially having OneNote installed on each device. I doubt we would ever see this level of interactivity and synchronization in OSx and iOS.

 

[Oletros]

Android, the OS that was on its way to copying blackberry before the iphone came along.

Look, another one perpetuating the same old wrong myth

 

[booksbooks]

It's funny. I like Windows. I dislike Android. I like iOS. I'm a troll for posting this thread. Well, then people are trolls for liking Apple and calling people like me a troll or for liking Android and not liking Windows. Windows haters!

LOL.

Android is a copy of iOS.

Have any of you read Steve Jobs' bio by Isaccson? You realize that Steve was flaming mad when he found out about Android and charged Google with copying Apple?

The late Apple chief then watched as history repeated itself, again getting upset when the iPod and other Apple devices were "almost copied verbatim by Android," Isaacson explained. "And then they licence it around promiscuously. And then Android starts surpassing Apple in market share, and this totally infuriated him," the author added. "It wasn't a matter of money. [Jobs] said: 'You can't pay me off, I'm here to destroy you.'"

"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong," Jobs told his biographer. "I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this."

 

[jamezr]

It's funny. I like Windows. I dislike Android. I like iOS. I'm a troll for posting this thread. Well, then people are trolls for liking Apple and calling people like me a troll or for liking Android and not liking Windows. Windows haters!



LOL.



Android is a copy of iOS.



Have any of you read Steve Jobs' bio by Isaccson? You realize that Steve was flaming mad when he found out about Android and charged Google with copying Apple?



The late Apple chief then watched as history repeated itself, again getting upset when the iPod and other Apple devices were "almost copied verbatim by Android," Isaacson explained. "And then they licence it around promiscuously. And then Android starts surpassing Apple in market share, and this totally infuriated him," the author added. "It wasn't a matter of money. [Jobs] said: 'You can't pay me off, I'm here to destroy you.'"



"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong," Jobs told his biographer. "I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this."

That doesn't mean Steve Jobs was right. That was just his reaction. He also said a lot of things that have been proven wrong too.

 

[spinedoc77]

It's funny. I like Windows. I dislike Android. I like iOS. I'm a troll for posting this thread. Well, then people are trolls for liking Apple and calling people like me a troll or for liking Android and not liking Windows. Windows haters!

LOL.

Android is a copy of iOS.

Have any of you read Steve Jobs' bio by Isaccson? You realize that Steve was flaming mad when he found out about Android and charged Google with copying Apple?

The late Apple chief then watched as history repeated itself, again getting upset when the iPod and other Apple devices were "almost copied verbatim by Android," Isaacson explained. "And then they licence it around promiscuously. And then Android starts surpassing Apple in market share, and this totally infuriated him," the author added. "It wasn't a matter of money. [Jobs] said: 'You can't pay me off, I'm here to destroy you.'"

"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong," Jobs told his biographer. "I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this."

I think people call you a troll because of the tone you take. It's one thing to discuss things like an adult, quite another to adolescently just blurt out "you suck".

On the whole copying thing, THANK GOD that Apple never copied Android, phew....wait a second... I think the saying people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones is quite applicable. But hey cough widgets cough, you know cough multitasking preview cough Apple cough quick access panel cough can't do cough notification panel cough widgets, widgets, widgets cough custom keyboards cough any wrong. Phew missed stepping into that pile of *****.

One last thing, this industry (as most are) is built on copying, if you can't see that then you are seriously SERIOUSLY naïve in the ways of business. Do you think Eric Schmidt is going to call you up and say "shucks you got me, we copied Apple, here is your ticket to heaven"? Nah, he's going to be evilly cackling in his Ferrari on the way to his billion dollar mansion to count his money. I highly doubt he is much worried about some teenager trolling on an internet message board about his ethics. The point is WHO FREAKIN CARES!?? A consumer only cares that the phone does what they want it to do, I don't see people outside the Apple store mumbling angrily under their breath that Google copied them, or vice versa. If Android isn't your cup of tea then great, move on and buy iOS, or windows, or blackberry or whatever almost identical GRID OF ICONS you like.

 

[cbobb123]

It's funny. I like Windows. I dislike Android. I like iOS. I'm a troll for posting this thread. Well, then people are trolls for liking Apple and calling people like me a troll or for liking Android and not liking Windows. Windows haters!

LOL.

Android is a copy of iOS.

Have any of you read Steve Jobs' bio by Isaccson? You realize that Steve was flaming mad when he found out about Android and charged Google with copying Apple?

The late Apple chief then watched as history repeated itself, again getting upset when the iPod and other Apple devices were "almost copied verbatim by Android," Isaacson explained. "And then they licence it around promiscuously. And then Android starts surpassing Apple in market share, and this totally infuriated him," the author added. "It wasn't a matter of money. [Jobs] said: 'You can't pay me off, I'm here to destroy you.'"

"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong," Jobs told his biographer. "I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this."

Name me 5 occasions when Android copied from Apple?

Off the top of my head Apple took the phablet idea, mobile payments (NFC), Notification shade, custom keyboards and "hey siri" hot word from Android. And there's no doubt there's more. You're acting as if Android hasn't come up with anything original which is not true.

 

[booksbooks]

Name me 5 occasions when Android copied from Apple?

Off the top of my head Apple took the phablet idea, mobile payments (NFC), Notification shade, custom keyboards and "hey siri" hot word from Android. And there's no doubt there's more. You're acting as if Android hasn't come up with anything original which is not true.

Dude stop it. The two operating systems are effectively exactly the same. It's a grid of icons; with fixed App windows like cards; slide to move between different App screens; both multi-touch based; both requiring effectively the same kind of hardware meant to run on low power stuff; both requiring effectively the same kind of designed devices... etc. etc. No amount of saying that you can "customize" the OS changes what these things are fundamentally. It's just geeky pedantries that doesn't change anything.

I have never, ever said that Apple didn't copy people before them. They did. What Android and iOS are effectively identical to is the Palm Pilot/Palm OS. What Apple did was bring multi-touch into the game, which took what Palm did with the Palm Pilots and Palm OSes... into the modern age. It eliminated the stylus and allowed for streamlined devices that could have analogue controls eliminated from them, inter alia.

Yes, Apple did the Newton. I have several of them and my Chief Engineer used to be a very well known Newton developer where his company put out some of the most popular titles of software. I have an eMate sitting on my desk.

But the Newton/Apple was NOT the first with a grid of icons and a mobile OS. That came long before, including as someone mentioned the GridPAD which was the precursor to Palm and still others years before that in the 80s and even 70s.

You have to understand that when you're running a company you compete. Jobs saw an opportunity: they bought FingerWorks and acquired the multi-touch stuff, and poured resources into R&D with years of development. Eric Schmidt, a member of Apple's Board and top guy at Google at the same time... whom was privy to Apple's developments... Google turns around and, after promising Apple they wouldn't compete in the space, does the exact opposite.

They secretly developed multi-touch Android and when Jobs found out about it... the project was some way along the way, he was pissed. And now look at what has happened. Android has soaked up a lot of customers. If Android didn't exist, imagine how much MORE Apple would be doing in the mobile space/smartphone space... The Samsungs and Sonys and all the other OEMs wouldn't have a leg to stand on making smartphones without a mobile OS like Android.

I've also been sold out by Directors and am embroiled in a lawsuit for theft of IP and top people that used to work for me stealing ideas and copying us. This is the real world and Jobs has some merits to his anger over Android. There is something called fiduciary duty, which I won't get into here but you can look it up I'm sure.

No, Google didn't copy Apple's code with Android, but they copied what they did. Google found out what Apple was doing and turned around and betrayed Jobs with the leaks coming from Schmidt. The reason why Apple doesn't just sue Google is because their working relationship is complex.

Regardless, if Android never came to be, it'd likely be a two horse race between iOS and Windows Phone.

What I give Microsoft credit for is the uniqueness of their OS with the live tiles, excellent mutli-tasking, and infinite horizontal/vertical App views rather than App views like iOS and Android uses.

 

[Renzatic]

Dude stop it. The two operating systems are effectively exactly the same. It's a grid of icons; with fixed App windows like cards; slide to move between different App screens; both multi-touch based; both requiring effectively the same kind of hardware meant to run on low power stuff; both requiring effectively the same kind of designed devices... etc. etc. No amount of saying that you can "customize" the OS changes what these things are fundamentally. It's just geeky pedantries that doesn't change anything.

This is true. It's also ignoring the fact they're both built from the same paradigm that first hit it big with Palm and the like nearly a decade before. iOS is, at its most basic, a souped up, spit shined, touch based version of everything that came before. So's Android.

 

[dsnort]

Meh. I've had iOS for quite a while now, ( iPhone 2 I believe), it's all good. Recently switched to a Nokia because I didn't feel like spending that kind of money on a phone. My Nokia is well built, functions flawlessly, ( one hiccup early), and has a great camera. I certainly don't feel like I'm missing anything from the OS, very stable and usable. Win 8 is the youngest of the OS's, but it's very competitive in my opinion.

Never owned an Android, doubt I ever will.

 

[booksbooks]

This is true. It's also ignoring the fact they're both built from the same paradigm that first hit it big with Palm and the like nearly a decade before. iOS is, at its most basic, a souped up, spit shined, touch based version of everything that came before. So's Android.

I disagree with a part of this. Yes, you're right, iOS is a souped up, spit shined, touch based version of everything that came before it.

However, the big difference that you're glossing over is MULTI-TOUCH. That was the game changer and nobody was doing it. For instance, RIM was in total disbelief when execs saw the iPhone unveiling for the first time. Sure, Microsoft and University research departments had some multi-touch being experimented with at the time, but Apple was the first to take a chance by totally redefining a new category and even creating a new category in a way. They converged multiple devices into one via multi-touch because they could make devices that were blank slates that could turn into whatever you wanted them to be via software.

We got the three things in one as Jobs repeated: a phone, an Internet communications device, and an iPod. Instantly... Blackberries, PDAs, iPods, and regular cell phones were falling off a cliff to their sure death. As it is now, point and shoot cameras are another victim that are being pressured out of existence by better and better smartphone camera technology.

What made what Apple did incredible was that they did this multi-touch stuff in a mobile device that fit in your pocket. Meanwhile, the rest of the R&D world had big axx things that they experimented with multi-touch on. See Microsoft's first Surface table. As RIM execs stated, they didn't believe what Apple showed because they couldn't believe the device would have any battery life. To their total surprise, when they finally got a hold of one and took it back to the lab and opened it up, they were shocked to see that the battery took up the majority of the inside of the phone...

The use and implementation of multi-touch in a phone at the time was revolutionary and the real differentiator between Apple and everyone else. The software (iOS) was also a very big deal as it was so much more powerful than anything else at the time.

 

[Renzatic]

I disagree with a part of this. Yes, you're right, iOS is a souped up, spit shined, touch based version of everything that came before it.

However, the big difference that you're glossing over is MULTI-TOUCH. That was the game changer and nobody was doing it. For instance, RIM was in total disbelief when execs saw the iPhone unveiling for the first time. Sure, Microsoft and University research departments had some multi-touch being experimented with at the time, but Apple was the first to take a chance by totally redefining a new category and even creating a new category in a way. They converged multiple devices into one via multi-touch because they could make devices that were blank slates that could turn into whatever you wanted them to be via software.

You're sorta right, sorta wrong. Multitouch had been around for decades by 2007, and could alrady be found in all kinds of pricey, higher end tech items. Microsoft, for instance, had been working on the original Surface table for a number of years by that point, and had already released prototypes to select clientèle for the low, low price of $10,000. The concept was hardly a new thing at the time.

What Apple did that took everyone by surprise is that they managed to slap it into a package as small as an iPhone, and made it affordable enough that the average Joe could grab one off the shelf. They didn't invent an entirely new category of PC interaction, but they did leapfrog everyone else in the industry by a good 5 years.

 

[booksbooks]

You're sorta right, sorta wrong. Multitouch had been around for decades by 2007, and could alrady be found in all kinds of pricey, higher end tech items. Microsoft, for instance, had been working on the original Surface table for a number of years by that point, and had already released prototypes to select clientèle for the low, low price of $10,000. The concept was hardly a new thing at the time.

What Apple did that took everyone by surprise is that they managed to slap it into a package as small as an iPhone, and made it affordable enough that the average Joe could grab one off the shelf. They didn't invent an entirely new category of PC interaction, but they did leapfrog everyone else in the industry by a good 5 years.

Now you're just taking what I said and basically repeating it like you said it in the first place.

This is business. This was a huge risk that Apple took that nobody else was taking. They saw the opportunity where others didn't or couldn't implement on it. When that initiative leaks from the top, the company got exposed and others (Google) learned of what they were doing. Having said that, iOS performs so much better than Android it's still no contest between the two in my eyes.

Windows on the other hand is right up there with iOS.

Anyway, you're really glossing over just how innovative Apple was with the first iPhone. Jobs knew what it meant and took everyone by surprise. Let's not forget the 200+ patents they filed on that one device alone. That's innovation, and he got sold out.

Here's a great interview with Jobs right after the iPhone 1 launch. He was totally right when he said, "We think what we've done is to reinvent the phone", and "I think... this is where the world's going", and "This is the future..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX1Lz8PDgg8

 

[Oletros]

but Apple was the first to take a chance by totally redefining a new category and even creating a new category in a way. They converged multiple devices into one via multi-touch because they could make devices that were blank slates that could turn into whatever you wanted them to be via software.

If Apple invented that and redefined the or created a new category how is that there were prototypes shown in 2006 with multitouch?

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Let's not forget the 200+ patents they filed on that one device alone. That's innovation, and he got sold out.

Have you discounted all the ones uses in lawsuits and invalidated like pinch to zoom, slide to unlock, etc?

 

[Act3]

Most people have windows based desktops/laptops and alot of those have a xbox sitting in the living room. Throw in mobile devices that all run together with those using Windows 10 and I think Microsoft will again be dominant and quite possibly the iPhone/iPad killer until the cycle repeats itself in a decade or so.

 

[booksbooks]

If Apple invented that and redefined the or created a new category how is that there were prototypes shown in 2006 with multitouch?

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Have you discounted all the ones uses in lawsuits and invalidated like pinch to zoom, slide to unlock, etc?

Please show us all those multi-touch smartphone prototypes in 2006.

Further, Apple filed and successfully obtained many of the patents they applied for regarding the iPhone 1.

 

[Oletros]

Please show us all those multi-touch smartphone prototypes in 2006.

http://gizmodo.com/213016/fics-linux-based-smartphone

Further, Apple filed and successfully obtained many of the patents they applied for regarding the iPhone 1.

Yes, and? A lot of patents are granted every year, and a lot of claims or full patents are invalidated each year.

Your point?

 

[RickInHouston]

Some years ago it looked like Windows for touch devices was dead and it was a two horse race: Android and iOS.

I've always hated Android. The reason is simple: it's a POS copy of iOS... like a cheap Chinese knockoff. Really, let's call it for what it is. Grid of icons, blah blah. There's hardly any difference in the way the OSes function. But in practice, Android has the following issues compared to iOS:

1. It's less refined. Everything seems loose and disjointed.
2. The design is outright terrible. Settings for instance. The fonts, the white space... the ugly icons... brutal.
3. The Apps. Again, cheap chinese knockoff of iOS Apps.
4. Performance. Again, cheap chinese knockoff of iOS. Just try pinching and zooming and scrolling. Chop chop chop.
5. Usability. Compared to iOS it's not as easy to use and enters into the world of geek.

I design and develop software for a living. I take a lot of pride in doing it, like others. Android is simply a cheap chinese knockoff of iOS, whereas Windows is completely unique. As others have seen, I've been putting the Surface Pro 3 through its paces. Windows 8 Touch blows Android away. Just the pinching and zooming and scrolling is excellent on Windows 8... like iOS. The uniqueness of the OS, the multi-tasking, Web browsing, quality App experience. It's all there in Windows.

Android simply doesn't seem to have evolved much like it's stuck. I wonder if others feel the same as me and if Android will start to fade and Windows gain ground.

The staleness of Android really hit home with me when I played with a Samsung Tablet in FutureShop over at the lonely Samsung section. I picked it up, touched the screen, and there we go: the same old, tired Android staring at you. It was depressing coming from a Surface Pro 3, something that gives me, in my opinion, such a more rich, deep computing experience.

You are soooooooo coooooooool. Can you friend me on Facebook? You rock.

 

[booksbooks]

http://gizmodo.com/213016/fics-linux-based-smartphone



Yes, and? A lot of patents are granted every year, and a lot of claims or full patents are invalidated each year.

Your point?

Right, the Linux FIC, an open source trainwreck project spearheaded by the Chinese government to try and pre-empt the iPhone, which, at the time this clusterfuxx of a project started, everyone knew Apple was going to release an iPhone. And the Chinese had their typical leaks about what Apple was working on. And everyone entrenched in the industry knew because Apple's purchase of Fingerworks leaked.

The FIC project thing was Windows Mobile hacked to try and emulate what the Chinese knew Apple was working on: multi-touch in a phone.

I'll do you better: I can show you video of multi-touch in the 1980s in Toronto. Multi-touch has been around a while. What Apple did was create a breakthrough product that nobody else could do or was really working on at the time. And they did this technology that really only existed on large devices and mostly in labs in a tiny package and commercialized it.

It was two difficult things to bring together: custom software and custom hardware to bring together a real multi-touch experience on something so small. Not only that, but having the full Web on such a small device was unreal at the time. Let's not forget things like visual voicemail or music that would fade out and in when people call and the call is terminated, etc... In other words, the first iPhone wasn't just about multi-touch.

And those of us who were around remember all the naysayers and how much the pundits criticized the iPhone at first blush for not having a "physical keyboard". Many thought it would fail for this reason alone. No other tech company was thinking the way Apple was, not even Nokia or RIM, the two top dogs at the time. Apple took a big risk by releasing a phone that people basically had to "learn". It was that new.

Overtime, people did learn to use it without physical buttons, they came to see all the benefits of having a blank slate device that turns into whatever you want it to, and the rest is history.

Fingerworks site back in 2000:

https://web.archive.org/web/20000817055532/http://www.fingerworks.com/

Apple was very interested in it. They wanted to use it for their trackpad on their Macs. Once they accepted they were going to use it, [our technology] got lots of visibility inside of Apple. They realized that was what they wanted for the iPhone. It turned from a licensing deal to an acquisition deal pretty quickly. The whole process took about eight months.

http://technical.ly/philly/2013/01/09/jeff-white-fingerworks-apple-touchscreen/

Today, the process of "accelerated premptive attack" in tech is much faster. One example is the smartwatch market that Samsung pre-empted with a now 1.5 year lead on Apple all because of rumors and leaks. Not that this will necessarily make Apple's watch less successful, anyway...

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

The Psion Series 3 shared in post #52 is something I owned back in the 90's when I was about 14. My Dad had it from his work and I remember typing up homework on it lol. I actually think I still have it somewhere.

Fingerworks site back in 2000:

https://web.archive.org/web/20000817055532/http://www.fingerworks.com/

Apple was very interested in it. They wanted to use it for their trackpad on their Macs. Once they accepted they were going to use it, [our technology] got lots of visibility inside of Apple. They realized that was what they wanted for the iPhone. It turned from a licensing deal to an acquisition deal pretty quickly. The whole process took about eight months.

http://technical.ly/philly/2013/01/09/jeff-white-fingerworks-apple-touchscreen/

Today, the process of "accelerated premptive attack" in tech is much faster. One example is the smartwatch market that Samsung pre-empted with a now 1.5 year lead on Apple all because of rumors and leaks. Not that this will necessarily make Apple's watch less successful, anyway...

Very interesting thanks for sharing.
I owned a couple of touchscreen phone's before the iPhone was launched (LG Prada and a Nokia) and in comparison to what we have now they were terrible. I used to have to really press hard on the LG to get it to do things and it goes to show how far touchscreen technology has been pushed from 2007 onwards. I think Apple certainly paved the way in this modern era and produced screens that were the best at the time and still produce great screens. Whether or not they are still the best is debatable and personally I think it is all pretty even these days on the surface of it. My last Nokia Phone was an Xpress Music 5800 and that came with a Stylus. I remember on more than one ocassion wanting to stab it through the screen when it didn't respond lol. How times have changed.

 

[booksbooks]

The Psion Series 3 shared in post #52 is something I owned back in the 90's when I was about 14. My Dad had it from his work and I remember typing up homework on it lol. I actually think I still have it somewhere.


Very interesting thanks for sharing.
I owned a couple of touchscreen phone's before the iPhone was launched (LG Prada and a Nokia) and in comparison to what we have now they were terrible. I used to have to really press hard on the LG to get it to do things and it goes to show how far touchscreen technology has been pushed from 2007 onwards. I think Apple certainly paved the way in this modern era and produced screens that were the best at the time and still produce great screens. Whether or not they are still the best is debatable and personally I think it is all pretty even these days on the surface of it. My last Nokia Phone was an Xpress Music 5800 and that came with a Stylus. I remember on more than one ocassion wanting to stab it through the screen when it didn't respond lol. How times have changed.

I hear you.

On the quality of Apple's touchscreen... where Apple had to really innovate was the touch grid layer that every touchscreen has built into it. I'll contrast two pieces of cool hardware to show the difference. The HP TouchPad and Apple's iPad/iPhone.

The HP TouchPad's touch layer grid in the screen had a grid where each square was much larger than Apple's touch layer technology. Inside each of these "grid squares" it's dead space. That means if your tissue is touching just that part of the touch grid layer, nothing happens. You have touch part of the actual grid lines. What Apple did right there on the first iPhone (remember, the HP TouchPad came years after the first iPhone), was have a CLEAR, TRANSPARENT touch grid layer that was so dense that the grid squares were tiny.

This is precisely why the touch experience on every iPhone from the first gen forward is so good. It's precise and fluid. Not every touch grid layer has been as bad as HP's TouchPad, but none were anywhere near as good as Apple's until a little more recently as manufacturers have finally somewhat caught up in this department.

If you put your iPhone or iPad at just the right angle in the right lighting (try natural sunlight), you'll see this amazing transparent, clear touch grid layer. Imagine doing this back in 2007. Creating such a dense touch layer that needed to be totally invisible to the user...

Apple had to do a zillion things to get the first iPhone right. That's why it's such a magical device and amazing what they did when they first launched it.

 

[Oletros]

Right, the Linux FIC, an open source trainwreck project spearheaded by the Chinese government to try and pre-empt the iPhone,

Repeating what DED says doesn't means you knew about it and doesn't make less real the prototypes.

Today, the process of "accelerated premptive attack" in tech is much faster. One example is the smartwatch market that Samsung pre-empted with a now 1.5 year lead on Apple all because of rumors and leaks. Not that this will necessarily make Apple's watch less successful, anyway...

Now it is clear that you're just joking. Those thing are just believed just by the most rabid users of Appleinsider or Macdailynews.

 

[jamezr]

Repeating what DED says doesn't means you knew about it and doesn't make less real the prototypes.




Now it is clear that you're just joking. Those thing are just believed just by the most rabid users of Appleinsider or Macdailynews.

yep...... quoting anything as fact that comes from DED or AI is not generally a good thing. He does not have credibility anywhere except on AI and the rabid fans there.

 

[lowendlinux]

Well this thread has turned out better than I thought reading the first post.