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Any Regrets for upgrading to El Capitan?
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Mail was extremely unstable for me on yosemite. Wifi and external monitor support were also very wonky. Really annoying and affected my productivity. El capitan, fixed those for me. I miss the old days when upgrading OS X was mostly pain free (used OS X since Tiger, and I felt Yosemite was the worst so far).
So if my math is correct running El Capitan on this machine is more or less like running 10.6 on a Powerbook G4. No wonder it feels slow compared to SL... While El Capitan on my Mac Pro 1,1 is running extremely well (with the help of a SSD), on my 2009 mini it's not very pleasant, I'm considering reverting back to Mavericks on this machine as OS X gets too demanding for it.
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Was that 10.10.5 though? I am only talking about the final release. It fixed my wifi problems for instance. I've not used Mail before 10.11, the 10.11.0 beta version caused my provider to cut me off as it wouldn't login correctly and they thought I was a hacker
but since then it's been working OK.I just caved in and bought an update to Cubase Elements 8 as Cubase Elements 7 won't work with El Capitan. Still. Thanks, Oba... Cook!
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My first El Capitan was an upgrade from Yosemite (itself installed as an upgrade from Mavericks without any problem).
However the computer refused to shut down when asked to do so.
I cloned back the Yosemite from an external drive and after some weeks I installed 10.11 in the so called "clean" way, which forced me to do what I wanted to avoid, namely reinstall my software.
In a few cases it did not work and I had to buy a new release.
Presently it works without major problems.
From time to time a small bug appears for instance forcing me to do a cold restart but this happened occasionally in the past.
I had no particular reason to upgrade but neither not to do it, since sooner or later one must renew the OS unless the computer is too old for that.
I do not see any noticeable advantage of 10.11 for me, compared to the 2 previous OSX but do not suffer from any particular problem either.
However I am just a plain computer user, not a pro in any field relying on his/her computer to make a living on it. For them it's entirely different.
I read regularly posts of different users and learn about different kind of problems specific to their software and hardware.
It seems that Apple released 10.11 before enough research was made and I regret it since I admire both the OSX and the Apple hardware quality and design very much.
All together not any kind of "great" unforgetable experience but, besides what mentioned (new bothering installations and a few minor puchases) not a bad experience either.
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Nope working fine...but then I'm a low-drag user...internet and word processing, some pictures, and I'm good so YMMV.
Did have to exchange Safari for FF because of lag issues...maybe the next update will fix whatever is causing that problem but meh nothing seriousl
Did have to exchange Safari for FF because of lag issues...maybe the next update will fix whatever is causing that problem but meh nothing seriousl
I have a 2012 with a samsung evo, it came with a spinner, and I am one that will say that osx is not optimized for spinners. It was intolerable, constant beach ball, random reboots, services closing. It's a world better with the ssd. I was going to dump this with the spinner.
Thinking about it though, I do not think osx is really optimized for anything. Bootcamping windows 10 on the 5400 spinner and it's faster than osx on the ssd. I am the only person I know that is running osx, el cap, the rest are running windows 10. I am the repair person for the whole family and have pretty much nothing to do with windows 10. I do not have problems with el cap, but it's the extended release of yosemite and yosemite was a bug fest. I truly wish apple would go to a 2 year release as the first year is like a beta and regardless of what a person earlier in the thread quipped windows 10 is a faster and less buggy os than osx, especially yosemite.
I am hoping it will wake up apple as I do like the osx ui better and think osx should be a lot faster and smoother than it is.
Thinking about it though, I do not think osx is really optimized for anything. Bootcamping windows 10 on the 5400 spinner and it's faster than osx on the ssd. I am the only person I know that is running osx, el cap, the rest are running windows 10. I am the repair person for the whole family and have pretty much nothing to do with windows 10. I do not have problems with el cap, but it's the extended release of yosemite and yosemite was a bug fest. I truly wish apple would go to a 2 year release as the first year is like a beta and regardless of what a person earlier in the thread quipped windows 10 is a faster and less buggy os than osx, especially yosemite.
I am hoping it will wake up apple as I do like the osx ui better and think osx should be a lot faster and smoother than it is.
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Although what people say, for me yosemite with 'reduce transparency' on was a paradise.
Since I have upgraded to el capitan I encounter a lot of bugs almost daily, and they are always the same:
- sometimes the scrollbars are just randomly shown after I wake my mac from 'stop'
- sometimes I have a lot of frame drops
- very often the mac doesn't respond correctly to scroll, I just have to wain 1-2 seconds and then scroll again
Viewing pdfs (10-20mb) is a pain almost as what it was with yosemite, although with yosemite the previous bug there just wasn't there.
Since I have upgraded to el capitan I encounter a lot of bugs almost daily, and they are always the same:
- sometimes the scrollbars are just randomly shown after I wake my mac from 'stop'
- sometimes I have a lot of frame drops
- very often the mac doesn't respond correctly to scroll, I just have to wain 1-2 seconds and then scroll again
Viewing pdfs (10-20mb) is a pain almost as what it was with yosemite, although with yosemite the previous bug there just wasn't there.
Geez, All these replies, some ok saying that El Capitan runs ok on their machine, while others are saying crashed their email, unable to find certain devices, such as a printer, or a External HD, I myself use 2 more 27in 4K monitors with my 5k Retina iMac and I don't want El Capitan having problems finding my 3rd monitor, and I use 2 laser printers and I heard horror stories about not finding the printer... so still I am not convinced enough to try El Capitan until I have more free time to make sure everything is backed up so i can restore quickly with CCC. At first CCC was not compatible with El Capitan but I do believe i read someone's post that said i does now. Any clarification on that?
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I may test it down the road some, but at this moment of time, I don't have time to reinstall everything in case it produces a problem so severe that I could not live with. But I value your opinion, it was a great response.
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I have installed-upon--and ran--multiple installations of ElCap on a local, traditional 7200RPM HD (e.g., rotational, platter-based, spinning fixed-disk hard-drive) these past few months to test whether I would be met with differences which left me wanting for more, or failing to meet my basic expectations:
What works for me?
How much change am I able to tolerate?
Where do I want to go?
My needs are few, and my software-requirements are minimal, yet I have always been game to roll with the changes.
I've been running 10.11.2 (15C50) for over a week, now, with my first install in which I used the Migration Assistant to pull my System Experience from my current Yosemite installation, and I was--frankly--taken-aback by the seamlessness of the process.
I was waiting a bit for ElCap updates for some software updates, but, well, all that's obligatory these days....
That for which I waited was basically time to personally test how this foux-'upgrade' would function.
I'm rollin' with the original 2006 Mac Pro (ordered November 11, 2006, and delivered, well . . . the snow was thick, and stuff <smile>), and I have the advantage of being able to have four fixed-disks installed at any one time.
I've been running OSX on Solid-State Drives (OWC for the first, then Toshiba Q-Series Pros for the remainder) for three years, and have grown accustomed to how responsive my System performs.
Testing ElCap installs on a 7200rpm spinner has been, well, humbling, to say the least . . . the time I've spent waiting, and waiting, and . . . running these installs was entirely more fluid, but not nearly as prompt as my latest installs on SSD's.
I did not need to do these things, but I wanted to, and the road to where I am has been most gratifying.
Short story-long...
I have no immediate regrets, and am currently--happily--where I was ten years ago:
Editing photos, building websites, creating art, email'ing my Dad, syncing Notes from my phone to my desktop in real-time, watching kittei videos on teh Toobs, participating in code-(de)construction with cool-as-**** people in other countries (hi, @Pike R. Alpha! hi, @PeterHolbrook!), filing my taxes (gak!), installing WIFI/BT wafers manufactured for a 2015 iMac the size of a postage-stamp I bought-of eBay from some guy in China into a piece of hardware manufactured in 2006 . . . it's all, completely fsck'n awesome.
I'll not be looking-back for one, single second
Nevertheless, you really do need to test it yerself . . . only then, will you be able to Know.
Regards, splifingate
I may test it down the road some, but at this moment of time, I don't have time to reinstall everything in case it produces a problem so severe that I could not live with. But I value your opinion, it was a great response.
I am thinking of backing up my system and trying out El Capitan for my first time experience and this is a big leap for me since I am the one who started this thread and seeing folks having problem after problem. I will schedule the upgrade this weekend most likely Saturday. I will post my findings after I successfully upgrade.
Still on 10.10.5, gave up with El Capitan at 10.11.3. I will revisit it again at the end of it`s cycle or just jump to 10.12 and see if Apple has resolved all. Am heading for a hardware update this year, so that will determine much as 10.105 will be a no go, with 10.11/10.12 or W10 being the only options.
Currently on 12" rMB in Vietnam, rMBP`s are parked for this trip. Have a feeling that 10.11 will be ok on the rMB as not seen too much issue with the Retina MacBook, equally 10.11 on the 13" rMBP (2014) was just nightmarish. I also observe that 10.11 tends to access external connections more frequently which is as a consideration, nothing that Little Snitch can't put a stop to if I don't care for the endpoint.
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Currently on 12" rMB in Vietnam, rMBP`s are parked for this trip. Have a feeling that 10.11 will be ok on the rMB as not seen too much issue with the Retina MacBook, equally 10.11 on the 13" rMBP (2014) was just nightmarish. I also observe that 10.11 tends to access external connections more frequently which is as a consideration, nothing that Little Snitch can't put a stop to if I don't care for the endpoint.
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It's almost like Apple didn't test el crapitan on anything older than c.2 years+ old hardware..
Works fine when it's pre installed ( imac 5k ) , not so good on my older macs ...
Total disaster on a 2011 mini
Works fine when it's pre installed ( imac 5k ) , not so good on my older macs ...
Total disaster on a 2011 mini
El Capitan is fine on anything with an SSD - Its not so good on any older hardware with 5400RPM drives - though its not too great on Apple's current hardware (Non Retina Macbook Pro, iMac and Mac Mini with 5400RPM drives).
10.11.4 works great on iMac 2011 with external SSD. I never had a chance to compare Yosemite vs El Cap on the SSD, but the machine has been given a new life. And we don't use anything like cDock on that machine, so SIP is enabled.
Well I guess I am in luck then in that case since my SSD inside my 5K iMac spins at 709.6 MB/s Write and 721.3 MB/3 Read. At least I hope so. But of Course I will back up in case I have to return to Yosemite.
I run El Capitan on a 2008 aluminum MacBook and all is fine.
I have a bunch of extensions since the initial release of El Capitan and all work as expected.
I want to add that I haven't done a clean install since my transition of PowerPC to Intel based Macs. I don't know what you guys have done to your systems to cause problems but even my 8 year old MacBooks runs El Capitan quite well.
I did do a clean install and encountered bugs right away. I've filed several radars already. The extension issue has been noted in a bunch of places, including over at AgileBits forum (the makers of 1Password). A couple of suggestions work for a few users, but not for most. It seems to be a Safari sandboxing bug.
I just noticed that the iMac with El Capitan wakes up every freaking 5-10 min. All the drives kick in for 5 then goes back to sleep. The it wakes up again 10 Min later again and again. No one is using anything at home yet El Cap keeps doing this on the iMac Late 2013. At this rate the drives will be worn out right?
Ok I'll check it out. Thanks.
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Found it from the log. Looks like one of my Apple TV 2, which is currently sleeping, send attempt connection to the iMac every 10-15 min. Should I reboot that ATV 2 or do a Restore?