Any Regrets for upgrading to El Capitan?

[WizardHunt]

It seems that even with the update 10.11.1 some people are still having problems with El Captian. I think I will wait for the next update or even the one after that. I don't like it when things are not up to par and working smoothly. The more software you use on your Mac it seems the more potential for there to be a conflict with El Captian. I personally use a ton of software and afraid I will run into too many problems. I upgraded early before and only got disappointed with the results until the 3rd or 4th update then things ironed out smoothly. Too bad Apple can't get it right in the first round.

 

[Upgrader]

Adobe AE CS6 has issues on El Cap with RAM preview playback. It's broken.

 

[Queen6]

It seems that even with the update 10.11.1 some people are still having problems with El Captian. I think I will wait for the next update or even the one after that. I don't like it when things are not up to par and working smoothly. The more software you use on your Mac it seems the more potential for there to be a conflict with El Captian. I personally use a ton of software and afraid I will run into too many problems. I upgraded early before and only got disappointed with the results until the 3rd or 4th update then things ironed out smoothly. Too bad Apple can't get it right in the first round.

Like as not I won't look at 10.11 until the .3/.4 release, I don't want to waste any more time on a broken product. The short lifecycle of OS X is simply a vicious circle, as soon as the OS is stable, Apple release a major update that for many is flawed, almost as if OS X is in a continuous beta.

I had planned to replace my 15" rMBP early next year on the refresh, however with OS X`s current state and Apple`s classic 1st Gen strategies I doubt that will happen now.

Q-6

 

[forcetactic]

Battery life isn't as good as Yosemite
2015 13.3'' MBA

 

[WizardHunt]

Has anybody new to El Captian and just upgraded recently like within the last month or so? Any problems ? If so please state them for all to see. I still have not upgraded. I wish Apple could get it right the first time out or even after the first update but sadly it seems that is not true.

 

[WizardHunt]

Adobe AE CS6 has issues on El Cap with RAM preview playback. It's broken.

I use CS6 Photoshop so that would affect me possibly. Still so many problems with 10.10.2 out there, when will 10.10.3 come out or has it already? I need to check. This seems to be the worst OS Apple had getting it working properly. Do you guys agree or disagree and why?

 

[MacMoke1]

I use CS6 Photoshop so that would affect me possibly. Still so many problems with 10.10.2 out there, when will 10.10.3 come out or has it already? I need to check. This seems to be the worst OS Apple had getting it working properly. Do you guys agree or disagree and why?

 

[MacMoke1]

With the latest upgrade on both of my iMacs(1 27" 4ghz I7, 27 iMac std) both are unable to shutdown, or reset. you have to push and hold the par button. Also on the 4ghz I-7 the latest safari on 10.11.2 must have a memory leak, when listening to RDIO.com/live in about an hour I get a pop up stating that the mac has run out of memory and crashes is you do anything. The machine has 8 gig and the only program running is Safari. I keep Maverics on a USB drive on both of these machines that I use for all my and just temporarily use El Capo. IMHO El Capo is a real piece of work. Steve would never have left this meatball out of the gate!

 

[simon lefisch]

I've been running El Cap since the public beta was available. No probs on my late 2011 MBP. I should note that I also did a clean install of the beta and have updated, however I haven't gotten around to 10.11.2 yet. I know it's a pita, but maybe doing a clean install would help with some of the issues.

 

[Queen6]

I use CS6 Photoshop so that would affect me possibly. Still so many problems with 10.10.2 out there, when will 10.10.3 come out or has it already? I need to check. This seems to be the worst OS Apple had getting it working properly. Do you guys agree or disagree and why?

Unfortunately Apple is trading usability, readability and stability for eye candy & toys, with the aspiration of entrenching the user ever deeper into Apple`s diverged ecosystem (iPhone, iPad, Mac). I have applied multiple clean installs of 10.11 only to incur multiple issues, that result directly in forcing the need to reload 10.10.5; Mail, Preview, Airdrop, Wi-Fi to name a few. The OS X point updates have either fixed, introduced new issues or done nothing.

I get to a point with 10.11 with the core applications not functioning correctly, that there is little point to proceed further with the system, adding more complexity and third party applications is simply wasting my time. For many the story was the same with 10.10 personally I had no major issues, although I don't care for the reduced readability of the OS due to poor choice of font and flattening of the OS in general.

I have always used OS X as it was a super stable platform for productivity, these days not so much, with the focus being ever further on casual use, and social media. For 2016 I am seriously looking to move all business related systems to Windows. I don't need a desktop OS that is trying to imitate and keep pace with mobile platforms, delivering little tangible improvements in productivity, that may or may not work as intended with each new revision.

My own opinion is; OS X is steadily degrading into little more than a vehicle for an entertainment & social media platform. OS X revisions are released needlessly rapidly, rushed and incomplete. Launched with much hype & hubris, however delivering little if any real tangible value for those productivity focused, this serves to do little more than degrade the value. Point updates are focused on fixes that should have never been required, due to the initial hasty release, that may or may not be fully functional by the end of it`s short cycle, in short a vicious circle.

It would also appear that others have similar opinion, nor are these haters, more serious users with genuine concern;
http://www.marco.org/2015/01/04/apple-lost-functional-high-ground
http://macperformanceguide.com/topics/topic-AppleCoreRot.html
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/mac-experts-weigh-in-os-x-quality-is-declining

Same hardware runs 10.10.5 flawlessly...

Q-6

 

[GermanSuplex]

Neither version of El Capitan has worked very well on my mid-2011 iMac. The original release had wake from sleep issues... The most recent version has made my computer almost unusable. Apps take forever to launch, no App Store connectivity, constant beach-balling, Bluetooth keyboard and mouse disconnect and take forever to reconnect... disk checks come back fine and there were no issues with any prior version of OSX I've ran, so I'm sure it's related to the new OS.

 

[oldmacs]

I just updated 3 computers in my household to El Cap. First one is a Mid 2011 iMac, which I upgraded from Mountain Lion. I've been told it feels quicker. The install did freeze though for hours, and i had to force it off then turn it on, where it resumed.

Other two macs were a 2014 and 2015 retina MBP which both seem to have taken the update well. (They came from yosemite)

Time will tell though, THe updates were installed only yesterday.

 

[sibcc]

Wondering if any of you who took the plunge and upgraded already. Do you have any regrets or is there any major app that will not run? I am just curious. I have held off from installing to see how many of you have problems.

The initial release, 10.11.0, broke both MS Office 2016 and several Adobe applications. The only reason I switched early was to get rid of Apple's idiotic system font choice of Yosemite. The 10.11.1 update, together with some updates from Adobe and MS, fixed my issues with Adobe Photoshop and MS Office. The 10.11.2 release seems to be stable.

Fortunately, I have extra machines to sort out such problems before committing to my primary machines. I also think that the 1 year upgrade cycle is far too short, thus, the release problematic software that requires several updates to stabilize.

That so-called flat interface is not to my liking, but unfortunately is the current in vogue design mantra.

 

[Queen6]

The initial release, 10.11.0, broke both MS Office 2016 and several Adobe applications. The only reason I switched early was to get rid of Apple's idiotic system font choice of Yosemite. The 10.11.1 update, together with some updates from Adobe and MS, fixed my issues with Adobe Photoshop and MS Office. The 10.11.2 release seems to be stable.

Fortunately, I have extra machines to sort out such problems before committing to my primary machines. I also think that the 1 year upgrade cycle is far too short, thus, the release problematic software that requires several updates to stabilize.

That so-called flat interface is not to my liking, but unfortunately is the current in vogue design mantra.

For Yosemite`s font there are some third party alternatives, as for the flat interface Apple should get back to setting the pace not copying others, current UI is uninteresting & dull to the eye, only serving to reduce readability by a good margin...

Q-6

 

[oldmacs]

I do think 10.11.2 should have been the first release... I don't get why they have to rush and release one every single bloody year. Every two years would be great, then we'd get a more stable version, with more features to actually justify the upgrade.

 

[WizardHunt]

Unfortunately Apple is trading usability, readability and stability for eye candy & toys, with the aspiration of entrenching the user ever deeper into Apple`s diverged ecosystem (iPhone, iPad, Mac). I have applied multiple clean installs of 10.11 only to incur multiple issues, that result directly in forcing the need to reload 10.10.5; Mail, Preview, Airdrop, Wi-Fi to name a few. The OS X point updates have either fixed, introduced new issues or done nothing.

I get to a point with 10.11 with the core applications not functioning correctly, that there is little point to proceed further with the system, adding more complexity and third party applications is simply wasting my time. For many the story was the same with 10.10 personally I had no major issues, although I don't care for the reduced readability of the OS due to poor choice of font and flattening of the OS in general.

I have always used OS X as it was a super stable platform for productivity, these days not so much, with the focus being ever further on casual use, and social media. For 2016 I am seriously looking to move all business related systems to Windows. I don't need a desktop OS that is trying to imitate and keep pace with mobile platforms, delivering little tangible improvements in productivity, that may or may not work as intended with each new revision.

My own opinion is; OS X is steadily degrading into little more than a vehicle for an entertainment & social media platform. OS X revisions are released needlessly rapidly, rushed and incomplete. Launched with much hype & hubris, however delivering little if any real tangible value for those productivity focused, this serves to do little more than degrade the value. Point updates are focused on fixes that should have never been required, due to the initial hasty release, that may or may not be fully functional by the end of it`s short cycle, in short a vicious circle.

It would also appear that others have similar opinion, nor are these haters, more serious users with genuine concern;
http://www.marco.org/2015/01/04/apple-lost-functional-high-ground
http://macperformanceguide.com/topics/topic-AppleCoreRot.html
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/mac-experts-weigh-in-os-x-quality-is-declining

Same hardware runs 10.10.5 flawlessly...

Q-6

Wow, Well said. You should send this to Apple. ;-)

 

[Queen6]

Wow, Well said. You should send this to Apple. ;-)

Apple`s clear direction is to attract the masses to purchase ever more consumer product. I am absolutely certain that Apple keenly want`s to wave the same "magic wand" over the PC space, that has been so successfully applied to phones & tablets.

In this sense Apple is highly unlikely to be interested in a minority that have technical issues, due to more complex workflows. Previously Apple was keen to listen to every customer, now Apple simply want`s everyone to be their customer, the difference subtle, the impact significant.

For many a simplified approach to the desktop OS is beneficial, as many struggle with the vast complexity of Windows, equally OS X is now not working for me, nor do I see it improving any time soon...

Q-6

 

[navaira]

In this sense Apple is highly unlikely to be interested in a minority that have technical issues, due to more complex workflows. Previously Apple was keen to listen to every customer, now Apple simply want`s everyone to be their customer, the difference subtle, the impact significant.

In the long term this is going to cost them. Arrogance in the market only works if you don't have any competition whatsoever.

 

[RichardF]

El Capitan has created a host of issues with USB connectivity: anything I plug into the USB ports of my rMBP 13" may or may not be recognized/ made see by the OS.

This is for Mac OS 10.11.2 and it affects my virtual machines too.

At this point, I cannot trust it to perform in a work environment. I am going to do a clean install and if that fails, I have not other choice but downgrade.

I understand it is a known issue too.

Sigh...

 

[RichardF]

I do miss Mavericks as it was extremely fast. Not many problems and I liked it a lot. Ever since i installed Yosemite, my high powered iMac with retina does not perform fast on boot up it use to be 14-15 secs and it was totally booted up in Mavericks but with yosemite it is taking 60-90 seconds.. and I hear based upon these replies on this thread of mine, that El Capitan is just as bad or slow. I even have 2 other Asus 27in 4K monitors hooked up to my 5K Retina iMac and with mavericks it booted right up super fast. Now ever since yosemite it has dropped in speed a lot. I was hoping that El Capitan would fix these issues but sadly it appears no.

+1

 

[WizardHunt]

Apple`s clear direction is to attract the masses to purchase ever more consumer product. I am absolutely certain that Apple keenly want`s to wave the same "magic wand" over the PC space, that has been so successfully applied to phones & tablets.

In this sense Apple is highly unlikely to be interested in a minority that have technical issues, due to more complex workflows. Previously Apple was keen to listen to every customer, now Apple simply want`s everyone to be their customer, the difference subtle, the impact significant.

For many a simplified approach to the desktop OS is beneficial, as many struggle with the vast complexity of Windows, equally OS X is now not working for me, nor do I see it improving any time soon...

Q-6

I am sorry to hear that. I wish Apple would not release software that is not fully ready. They seem to expect the consumers to finish their testing.. a bit unfair.

 

[WizardHunt]

I do miss Mavericks as it was extremely fast. Not many problems and I liked it a lot. Ever since i installed Yosemite, my high powered iMac with retina does not perform fast on boot up it use to be 14-15 secs and it was totally booted up in Mavericks but with yosemite it is taking 60-90 seconds.. and I hear based upon these replies on this thread of mine, that El Capitan is just as bad or slow. I even have 2 other Asus 27in 4K monitors hooked up to my 5K Retina iMac and with mavericks it booted right up super fast. Now ever since yosemite it has dropped in speed a lot. I was hoping that El Capitan would fix these issues but sadly it appears no. +1

This being said Yosemite has now been updated enough to allow my iMac to boot up now in about 15-20 secs so I am happy for Yosemite being on my system but this El Captian is still way too buggy for me to install it. I wanted to buy the new Magic mouse 2 only to find out it works only with El Captian which is BS, I wish they would not do that but Apple is Apple.

 

[Queen6]

I am sorry to hear that. I wish Apple would not release software that is not fully ready. They seem to expect the consumers to finish their testing.. a bit unfair.

Sadly it very much feels this way. The urgency to release on a set date is by far out stripping the need for the release of quality software. The less complex your system, the less complex the usage/workflow the lower the chance you will incur issue. I was not overly impressed by the aesthetics of 10.10, equally it worked and continues to be flawlessly for my needs. 10.11 is still currently unusable for me, yet the hardware & software is identical, to sum upon a single word disappointing...

Q-6

 

[Queen6]

This being said Yosemite has now been updated enough to allow my iMac to boot up now in about 15-20 secs so I am happy for Yosemite being on my system but this El Captian is still way too buggy for me to install it. I wanted to buy the new Magic mouse 2 only to find out it works only with El Captian which is BS, I wish they would not do that but Apple is Apple.

I believe as one of the other members pointed out to me is that OS X is now so bloated and poorly optimised that a fast SSD is virtually mandatory, even then it`s can drag in places. My daughters 2011 15" high tier MBP is still on a "spinner" A cold start on this Quad Core i7 is literally like entering a "time warp" taking several minutes to even get to the login screen, disappointingly the "Acid Test" both Windows 8.1 & 10 are blazingly fast on the same hardware!

Obviously once OS X is up the situation improves (10.11.2) personally I find it telling that Windows can outperform OS X on it`s own native hardware, in many respects Apple has got fat & lazy on the profits of IOS devices. I have no doubts that Apple has worked hard to improve El Capitan`s performance, equally the focus is on UI, not UX, 60fps "buttery smooth" UI transitions are of absolutely no use to me or others if the underpinning OS and Core applications are not stable or simply don't function as expected, with some not being capable of interacting with what many would consider industry standards all on Apple`s own hardware, progress this is not...

Q-6

 

[George Dawes]

Tim Cook said all he wanted to do was sell as many iPhones as possible

Pretty much sums up the state of Apple today...

I can see them ending up a la sculley eventually....