Any Regrets for upgrading to El Capitan?

[WizardHunt]

I do miss Mavericks as it was extremely fast. Not many problems and I liked it a lot. Ever since i installed Yosemite, my high powered iMac with retina does not perform fast on boot up it use to be 14-15 secs and it was totally booted up in Mavericks but with yosemite it is taking 60-90 seconds.. and I hear based upon these replies on this thread of mine, that El Capitan is just as bad or slow. I even have 2 other Asus 27in 4K monitors hooked up to my 5K Retina iMac and with mavericks it booted right up super fast. Now ever since yosemite it has dropped in speed a lot. I was hoping that El Capitan would fix these issues but sadly it appears no.

 

[Queen6]

Perhaps it's because you are not using the software that is being affected like others are having trouble with. Reading all these replies, i myself still don't trust El Capitan to be a good reliable software good enough to install on a power users computer. ( i have a 5K retina iMac with 32 GB ram, fully loaded to the max, and i have and use a ton of software and if El Capitan is having problems with mail still, i use that a lot and can't afford for my email to be down. I use 2011 office for mac as well as I see many of you are having problems with that as well. I need that to be working. My wife does have a retina MBP and well she is a new user to mac, but I may upgrade her's after backing it up first then see how it runs on her MBP. I suspect that it will be fine since she does not use much of the software that is being affected at this time. For now I will hold off for me upgrading until the next 2 or even 3 more updates in order for Apple to get their stuff in order and make this software work like it should.

Apple alway`s prized themselves on "it just works" however these days this statement has never been further away. I always enjoyed the Mac versus PC shorts, equally I wonder how this would pan out today.

Apple has all the money in the world to make the difference, yet the premise is obvious "make ever more" just exactly when is enough, a enough. The greed is staggering, Apple could do so much more, sadly they don't...

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[aristobrat]

I always enjoyed the Mac versus PC shorts, equally I wonder how this would pan out today.

Talk about marketing money well spent. That ad campaign ended in 2009.

Six years later, and people are still referring to it.

 

[Queen6]

Talk about marketing money well spent. That ad campaign ended in 2009.

Six years later, and people are still referring to it.

True, equally the roles are stating to reverse..

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[Queen6]

Looking ever closer to a 3rd clean install; Safari & Preview both broke this afternoon. Am starting to wonder if it`s just this hardware (2014, 2.8Ghz, 512 SSD) as I upgraded one of my older mac`s (2011 15" high tier MBP) that my daughter now uses with no apparent issues, equally her usage is very different.

If a clean install of 10.11.1 does not work, think I will roll back this Mac to 10.10.5 as is too time consuming to constantly be dealing with 10.11 and it`s issues.

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[AndreStm]

Apple alway`s prized themselves on "it just works" however these days this statement has never been further away.

Sad, but unfortunately true.
OS X software quality is on the downhill way.
On the other side, things are getting dumbed down and features removed.

 

[Queen6]

Sad, but unfortunately true.
OS X software quality is on the downhill way.
On the other side, things are getting dumbed down and features removed.

Am just getting sick of it, there is absolutely no reason why this Mac should have had so many issues with 10.11, equally they persist, nor do they appear to be isolated cases. Frankly 10.10.5 is running better on my 1.2 rMB now than 10.11.1 on this 13" 2.8 rMBP, after my experiences with the 13" rMBP I am far from inclined to even consider upgrading a 100% zero issue Mac to 10.11

I have owned Mac portables for 10 years and I have never seen an OS upgrade produce to many problems; Installer, Mail, Preview, AirDrop, Safari, Network specifically VPN`s and slow. Ironically where many struggled with 10.10 I have had zero issue across multiple Mac`s it`s like there is no longer any consistency from Apple. I upgraded a Early 2011 15" MBP to 10.11 as it was slow on 10.10.5 (spinner) and superficially it has none of the issues I have observed with the 13" rMPB, yet the 13" is a clean install...WHY

Right now I am considering to move this Mac back to 10.9.5 or 10.10.5 both stable and well developed OS`s well for me at least. I am struggling with the premise of spending another day dealing with 10.11 and it`s problems. I have also seen just how well Windows 10 runs on very low level hardware, in many respects it puts OS X to shame, equally the OS has it`s own issues.

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[Sanlitun]

USB through a Thunderbolt attached hub is not working properly as it was in Yosemite.

Beginning to regret the upgrade.

 

[2128506]

USB through a Thunderbolt attached hub is not working properly as it was in Yosemite.

Same with USB on LGs Thunderbolt monitor.

 

[whodatrr]

The first couple weeks were a nightmare - and I regretted El Crap pretty much every moment of it. MS Office was largely unusable, which hurts as it's how I earn a living. CS was a bit shotty, and many of the built in utilities were flaky. Unfortunately, I installed El Crap on two systems.

But the .1 update seems to have fixed most of the issues. I will never, ever, under any circumstances install a .0 Apple OS again. Live and learn.

 

[b0fh666]

The first couple weeks were a nightmare - and I regretted El Crap pretty much every moment of it. MS Office was largely unusable, which hurts as it's how I earn a living. CS was a bit shotty, and many of the built in utilities were flaky. Unfortunately, I installed El Crap on two systems.

But the .1 update seems to have fixed most of the issues. I will never, ever, under any circumstances install a .0 Apple OS again. Live and learn.

thats what i generally do but yosecrap was so bad i took the risk this time and did not regret it

 

[AFEPPL]

I'm starting to struggle with OS X it's not been right for a while.
Lots of little niggles, the need for clean installs, basic functions with a random mind of thier own.

On balance yes. I regret the move.
The whole Apple Eco system is creaking and straining to maintain a fluid and rewarding experience.

 

[Badrottie]

I *love* El Cap - it's Apple's best, most versatile, most intelligent OS ever.

The upgrade was seamless and I flow through my work day with it as smooth as silk! #love

Very good for you!!

 

[Sabretooth78]

I've been fooling around with a clean* install of El Cap and I've yet to find a problem with it. This coming after being burned by Yosemite (complete and utter garbage IMHO) and upgrading back down to Mavericks on which I've stayed since late February. I still think some if not most apps in El Cap are hogging memory unnecessarily 372 MB for this tab in Safari?! I could be wrong, but I see this reliance on SSD speed as an excuse for not making your programming as tight as possible. Despite that, however, the system seems to (or gives the appearance of) run quite snappy, smooth and responsive. Mail actually seems to work as good as the Gmail app on my phone, best performance I would say since the app actually worked right - I can't remember when that was - guessing probably Snow Leopard or Lion? (assuming anything worked right in Lion which is a bit of a stretch)

That being said, I'm not about to let Apple off the hook for their crudtactular trajectories in the software arena over the last 5 years or so.

I could do without the ugly pastel app icons but that's a fixable problem. Also, San Francisco >> Helvetica Neue. The font seems to have a blocky, almost retro-ish look that I actually like.

* On a separate partition, so it still could theoretically be affected by things it "sees" elsewhere on the machine.

 

[repete7]

I don't regret upgrading (non, je ne regrette rien). I am annoyed that Photos launches everytime I insert an SD card. I've tried unchecking the box in Photos for it to open, but it does it for every different memory card, and considers a reformatted memory card a different card. I use Lightroom and have no need for Photos. I've looked in to deleting the Photos app, but it involves temporarily disabling system integrity protection and seems a little above my skill level.

 

[chevalier433]

Looking ever closer to a 3rd clean install; Safari & Preview both broke this afternoon. Am starting to wonder if it`s just this hardware (2014, 2.8Ghz, 512 SSD) as I upgraded one of my older mac`s (2011 15" high tier MBP) that my daughter now uses with no apparent issues, equally her usage is very different.

If a clean install of 10.11.1 does not work, think I will roll back this Mac to 10.10.5 as is too time consuming to constantly be dealing with 10.11 and it`s issues.

Q-6

What the **** is happening with Apple quality control it reminds me the old Windows era that every week you needed a format.

 

[Queen6]

What the **** is happening with Apple quality control it reminds me the old Windows era that every week you needed a format.

Pass, potentially it could be this specific Mac, equally I don't see how. This 2014 13" rMBP was best put as a disaster on 10.11

First install or 10.11 was an upgrade of 10.10.5, basically failed due to Apple`s Mail crashing & deleting SMTP settings unable to restore without hard boot, followed by more of the same, duplication of mail accounts. Basically the application was in an unusable state. Accounts are MS Exchange, MS Outlook, Google, iCloud. Preview consuming enormous amounts of RAM to the point of slowing the application, in time the system. AirDrop total failure. General reduction of UI perforce over 10.10.5, felt rather like the whole OS was breaking. System Preferences extremely slow to open, Dock icon would bounce for 10-15 seconds, double booting. Many other small random issues (10.11.1 resolved specific issues with the Installer, Mail & Preview and of course most importantly more emojis )

Subsequent installs of 10.11.1 were clean, no Migration Assistant, no Time Machine, SSD wiped clean; failed Safari unable to install extensions, Preview behaviour unstable crashing etc. network performance significantly diminished over Wi-Fi, same issue as above with System Preferences. Mail very slow unsure if related to network performance or the application, seemed to be continuously downloading content. At this point I simply stopped...

I tried two clean installs the second with no third party applications, extensions etc. same 10.11 installer upgraded my daughters Early 2011 15" MBP with no apparent issue, equally her usage is very different to mine, as the system was mine the software package is basically the same. If I had to put it simply; Installing El Capitan 10.11 is currently a "crapshoot" it may or may not work, based on your hardware/software. If you choose to proceed ensure that the system is fully backed up and not solely with Time Machine, or it may well get ugly fast.

Hardware 2014 13" rMBP 2.8Ghz, 512 SSD, 8GB RAM - stock Apple system has exhibited zero issues (12 months) prior to 10.11 and is employed in an engineering role seeing significant usage globally.

Rolled back to 10.10.5 on a clean install for no other reason than to validate hardware & software load, zero issues, which speaks volumes as all the issues indicated above with 10.11 are all related solely to Apple...


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[Colombianito]

I regret it. Cannot take my law school exams on El Capitan.

 

[Ulenspiegel]

What the **** is happening with Apple quality control it reminds me the old Windows era that every week you needed a format.

Oh, Windows. Yesterday I have uninstalled on my son's PC one of the known burning software. It goes w/o saying that the machine was full of leftovers. Deleted them. Proceeded with the Registry. Started cleaning manually. Took me more than an hour. I sat watching the monitor and thought to myself: we may have some problems with OS X, a bug here a lag there, but it's still miles ahead of Windows. It was a redemption to go back to my MacBook and turn it on.
What concerns El Cap. Some years ago, I decided to wait with Apple updates, when my iPhone 3G became unusable after 4.2.1. I stay on the OS X and iOS my devices were shipped with. I don't plan to update in the near future. My iDevices work perfectly with the "old" OSs.

 

[Queen6]

What concerns El Cap. Some years ago, I decided to wait with Apple updates, when my iPhone 3G became unusable after 4.2.1. I stay on the OS X and iOS my devices were shipped with. I don't plan to update in the near future. My iDevices work perfectly with the "old" OSs.

Coincidental a friend of mine has always done the the same, he never updates the OS on his Mac`s only the point releases. His "train of thought" is that the system was developed on that specific OS and Apple`s focus is always looking to the future, therefore the original OS should remain to be the most stable.

As he only has the one Mac, and uses it for recreational purpose, it`s not possible to really confirm, equally there is some logic in his actions.

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[Retromac2008]

Coincidental a friend of mine has always done the the same, he never updates the OS on his Mac`s only the point releases. His "train of thought" is that the system was developed on that specific OS and Apple`s focus is always looking to the future, therefore the original OS should remain to be the most stable.

As he only has the one Mac, and uses it for recreational purpose, it`s not possible to really confirm, equally there is some logic in his actions.

Q-6

until he will use his credit card on his old browser

 

[Queen6]

until he will use his credit card on his old browser

He not running anything really ancient, so he should be ok. Personally I look to keep up to date, equally the OS has to be stable.

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[Retromac2008]

He not running anything really ancient, so he should be ok. Personally I look to keep up to date, equally the OS has to be stable.

Q-6

ah, ok, for me every non-ppc mac is new

 

[Ulenspiegel]

Coincidental a friend of mine has always done the the same, he never updates the OS on his Mac`s only the point releases. His "train of thought" is that the system was developed on that specific OS and Apple`s focus is always looking to the future, therefore the original OS should remain to be the most stable.

As he only has the one Mac, and uses it for recreational purpose, it`s not possible to really confirm, equally there is some logic in his actions.

Q-6

Yes, my "philosophy" is similar. No doubt. And it works.

until he will use his credit card on his old browser

Well, I am a little bit more cautious than that. I use a special software in this cases. The version of OS/Safari I use is still updated on regular basis.

 

[Woodcrest64]

Since I've owned my 2012 15inch Macbook Pro with Retina display I have tried Lion, Mountain Lion, Mavericks, Yosemite and now El Captian. For me, El Captian has been the fastest and most stable. Lion and Yosemite were the worst for me.