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Anybody else here NOT like Apple?
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Because this is a forum primarily about macs and apple. I'm asking if there's other people who here and like one and not the other.
Well, it's true about the OS. OS X is better than and will always (at least for the next 5 years, maybe
) anything else on the market.The hardware, OTOH, I'm rather ho-hum about.
To be clear, I don't necessarily like Apple, but I like the products that they have made that I have bought from them.
I've a 4 year old iPod, a 3 year old iPod, a year old iPhone and a 3 year old iBook. All have worked wonderfully despite all having been dropped at one time or another (in the case of the iPods they're battered to hell)
Everything works, I love the OS, I love the syncing, when I first got my mac I LOVED the fact that when I opened help and typed something in it'd tell me how to do it. It's all been very easy.
But at the same time, my Dad (based on the fact that my brother's had his 3G nano replaced about 4 times and that the shuffle before that broke) thinks their computers are ok, but the rest of it isn't worth much.
It's all personal experience. I've had a good experience with their products, so I'd recommend them. I'm also interested in new stuff they might release. However, I don't quite understand the people that defend Apple to the death, worship Jobs and run out to buy their 16th iPod every September.
I've a 4 year old iPod, a 3 year old iPod, a year old iPhone and a 3 year old iBook. All have worked wonderfully despite all having been dropped at one time or another (in the case of the iPods they're battered to hell)
Everything works, I love the OS, I love the syncing, when I first got my mac I LOVED the fact that when I opened help and typed something in it'd tell me how to do it. It's all been very easy.
But at the same time, my Dad (based on the fact that my brother's had his 3G nano replaced about 4 times and that the shuffle before that broke) thinks their computers are ok, but the rest of it isn't worth much.
It's all personal experience. I've had a good experience with their products, so I'd recommend them. I'm also interested in new stuff they might release. However, I don't quite understand the people that defend Apple to the death, worship Jobs and run out to buy their 16th iPod every September.
You took the words out of my mouth.
I like Apple a lot, they're a good company therefore they will have my business in the future.
I think Apple is over hyped but some of their products fit my needs very well and there are not any Microsoft products I prefer to use. Let's face it, all companies push their products through advertising. I suppose Apple is enjoying more than average hype because many of their products in the mainstream are used by a younger segment.
At work I am forced to use some open source and some Microsoft products, although my manager has adopted a No-Microsoft policy wherever he can. The server and client OS's are Microsoft but the email server and most other supporting apps are non-Microsoft.
It is what it is.
At work I am forced to use some open source and some Microsoft products, although my manager has adopted a No-Microsoft policy wherever he can. The server and client OS's are Microsoft but the email server and most other supporting apps are non-Microsoft.
It is what it is.
I like using Keynote, and OSX is more enjoyable to use than XP.
But I have to say - no company has ever inspired as much frustration in me as Apple has.
Every time there's a big new release, half of me likes it, and half of me (and i've actually physically shouted out) thinks "Oh FFS!!!" (not FFS, obviously, the full thing). I thought "Oh - nice new macbook. Hold on - no Firewire, What the HELL are they thinking!. And those damn USB ports are too close together...and WHAT THE HELL Is with this damn display port. a SEVENTY POUND ADAPTOR!!!! Well - whatever it takes I guess
The the damn adaptor arrives
OH FFS IT DOESN'T WORK
It's pain and joy, in equal measures.
"Great, an Apple Phone - that'll be cool. look at the interface, that's brilliant.
What?
No MMS?
No Video recording?
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU THINKING APPLE"
It's the same every time.
But I have to say - no company has ever inspired as much frustration in me as Apple has.
Every time there's a big new release, half of me likes it, and half of me (and i've actually physically shouted out) thinks "Oh FFS!!!" (not FFS, obviously, the full thing). I thought "Oh - nice new macbook. Hold on - no Firewire, What the HELL are they thinking!. And those damn USB ports are too close together...and WHAT THE HELL Is with this damn display port. a SEVENTY POUND ADAPTOR!!!! Well - whatever it takes I guess
The the damn adaptor arrives
OH FFS IT DOESN'T WORK
It's pain and joy, in equal measures.
"Great, an Apple Phone - that'll be cool. look at the interface, that's brilliant.
What?
No MMS?
No Video recording?
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU THINKING APPLE"
It's the same every time.
Is the monitor H-IPS?
Does it have bluetooth?
Wireless N?
Toslink?
Firewire 800?
Support to drive a 30" Display?
Webcam and microphone?
Keyboard, mouse and speakers?
DDR3 Memory?
Keyboard and mouse?
Apple provides the whole package. If you want to cherry pick what you need, good for you, but without all the above, it is not a fair comparison. Add all of the above, along with a copy of Vista Ultimate, and your looking at savings of a couple of hundred dollars, max. Not including software.
Why do people always say "I can build a PC for less than an Apple?" you can also build a PC with better specs than HP,Dell, Sony, Acer, Asus, and eMachines. Another thing too, how are you going to compare the iMac (all in one desktop) to a regular desktop. If your going to compare a regular desktop to an Apple desktop you have to compare it with the Mac Pro.
I used to be a starry-eyed Mac evangelist.
Then I turned fourteen.
Seriously, I started out absolutely ADORING macs and DESPISING PCs, but at this point, the only genuine Apple machine I have is my broken 1.33GHz iBook. I have one quad-core PC which is booting both Vista Ultimate and OS X. I used to use OS X 24/7 on it, but honestly, you can do so much fun tinkering, overclocking, etc with a PC that OS X is kind of a waste. The problem with OS X x86 is that it works well, but OS X is better to use on Apple's boring, isolated hardware because you're not missing anything.
Hopefully getting a Dell Precision and IBM 1U server to futz around with today.
In a nutshell:
OS X is the ideal OS for laptops and netbooks. It's a great mobile OS. It's also good if you're a latte-sipping designer who doesn't care about real hardware and tweaking.
For powerful computers, it basically sucks. I would rather have a dual Xeon workstation running win7 than a Mac Pro. Why? Again, so little you can do tweaking-wise.
Yes, you can build a PC for TONS less than a Mac. If you're hell-bent on running OS X, then run it. Break the EULA. No one cares.
And no, it is perfectly fair to compare it with the iMac. It's not my fault apple is too stupid to offer a desktop at the $1200 price point. Compare a custom $1200 offering with Apple's $1200 offering. Boo-hoo, the iMac is an AIO. Too bad.
Then I turned fourteen.
Seriously, I started out absolutely ADORING macs and DESPISING PCs, but at this point, the only genuine Apple machine I have is my broken 1.33GHz iBook. I have one quad-core PC which is booting both Vista Ultimate and OS X. I used to use OS X 24/7 on it, but honestly, you can do so much fun tinkering, overclocking, etc with a PC that OS X is kind of a waste. The problem with OS X x86 is that it works well, but OS X is better to use on Apple's boring, isolated hardware because you're not missing anything.
Hopefully getting a Dell Precision and IBM 1U server to futz around with today.
In a nutshell:
OS X is the ideal OS for laptops and netbooks. It's a great mobile OS. It's also good if you're a latte-sipping designer who doesn't care about real hardware and tweaking.
For powerful computers, it basically sucks. I would rather have a dual Xeon workstation running win7 than a Mac Pro. Why? Again, so little you can do tweaking-wise.
Why do people always say "I can build a PC for less than an Apple?" you can also build a PC with better specs than HP,Dell, Sony, Acer, Asus, and eMachines. Another thing too, how are you going to compare the iMac (all in one desktop) to a regular desktop. If your going to compare a regular desktop to an Apple desktop you have to compare it with the Mac Pro.
Yes, you can build a PC for TONS less than a Mac. If you're hell-bent on running OS X, then run it. Break the EULA. No one cares.
And no, it is perfectly fair to compare it with the iMac. It's not my fault apple is too stupid to offer a desktop at the $1200 price point. Compare a custom $1200 offering with Apple's $1200 offering. Boo-hoo, the iMac is an AIO. Too bad.
The Mac Mini is a better example. I can get a quad core for the price of the mini.
OS X is imminently tweakable. (Is that a word?) Just fire up the Terminal and go to town.It is not PR, it is my EXPERIENCES in the last 10 year of ownership. Are you going to tell me what has or hasnt happened within my dealings with Apple? Who is blind hyping what here?
i don't think the USB ports are too close together. and would you rather the "70lb" adaptor be external, or would you rather it be onboard and have to carry that around with you 24/7.
and the iPhone... MMS is really an uneeded feature.. email for free - for people who can't view emails on their phones, the screen must be so small/subpar it doesn't really matter if you can't get an image on it.
why would you pay for a free feature. also with Qik or Cycorder you can record video. all of which can be done right out of jailbreak (which takes no longer than an hour)
while that doesn't really help the whole what was APPLE thinking argument... it does show it is possible.
then again.. if i want to record something i'll bring a camcorder, and if i want to take pics i will bring a camera
Pounds. £££
http://gizmodo.com/5119858/apples-m...nk-dvi-adapter-has-periodic-distortion-issues
My MBP previously,with a DL-DVI adaptor right built in - could drive my 30 inch display without any requirement for such wallet-rape.
Let me get this straight: You think it's a con because they can pay a team of R&D peeps to come up with good ideas and then, Lo! they actually have the nerve to go protect their discovery?
I know what the intention of the creation of patent law is.
But unfortunately the dictionary style word by word definition don't cover the ugly world people are living in.
There is no need to portray apple as an innocent law-biding, rule-following super nice company.
It's not a binary "Like" or "Dislike" thing. I think Apple does some things well and at the sme time has some anoying problems.
I came to Apple from the Unix/Linux world. So I was not moving to Mac OS X because of crashes, seurity and so on. In fact Solaris and Linux have MUCH batter stailty and ecurity then Mac OS X. I rate Mac OS X about midway between Solaris and Windows in terms of stability and security. Better than Windows but not as god as I was used to over the last 20+ years
Back in the 80's I have two computers I used. One was made by Sun, had a 21" color screen, optical mouse and multple windows, multiple hard drives, network connection to servers and the Internet. The other computer was a brand new "512K Mac" with it's little 9" black and white screen. The Mac used to write our software documentation.
Today I continue to use Linux/Sollaris systems and Macs and not much has channged I still use the mac because it can run Adobe CS4, Logic, and Aperture which can't be run on the other systems. Nothing magic about Mac OS X. It's just BSD Unix with a slightly prettier desktop but it runs software my other systems can't
I came to Apple from the Unix/Linux world. So I was not moving to Mac OS X because of crashes, seurity and so on. In fact Solaris and Linux have MUCH batter stailty and ecurity then Mac OS X. I rate Mac OS X about midway between Solaris and Windows in terms of stability and security. Better than Windows but not as god as I was used to over the last 20+ years
Back in the 80's I have two computers I used. One was made by Sun, had a 21" color screen, optical mouse and multple windows, multiple hard drives, network connection to servers and the Internet. The other computer was a brand new "512K Mac" with it's little 9" black and white screen. The Mac used to write our software documentation.
Today I continue to use Linux/Sollaris systems and Macs and not much has channged I still use the mac because it can run Adobe CS4, Logic, and Aperture which can't be run on the other systems. Nothing magic about Mac OS X. It's just BSD Unix with a slightly prettier desktop but it runs software my other systems can't
In that sense, yes, but I'm talking about tweaking hardware. CPU-Z isn't available for a Mac. Most benchmarking apps aren't available for a Mac. ClockGen -- not on Mac.
I love the OS, but not for a desktop rig.
You know, there are other purposes for a computer than running benchmark apps.
Apart from that, I hate it when people compare the iMac to "but me can build system for teh 300 bucks!", at least compare it to prebuild systems from dell/hp/etc. - the pc will still be way cheaper but it's a more realistic comparison. Not everyone has the knowledge/desire/time to build a computer.
Yes, but if you look at history, you'll understand why Apple is patent-trolling. One major factor of Microsoft taking over the market was because Apple didn't patent their stuff. And the main reason why everybody took IBM-compatibles and ran off with it was because IBM didn't patent their inventions enough.
So the question is, what is enough? And what is not?
Not saying Apple is perfect or doing it the right way. I'm just saying Apple is doing it from what they've learned from their history.
I like OS X, and I love the aesthetic design for the most part. It always seems like they have put some actual thought into their designs, and that their design team actually have talent, unlike a lot of other computer designs.
However, when it comes to the actual hardware, the limited computer configurability, limited choice and freedom, the company as a whole, Steve Jobs, and....well......basically everything else about the company, I either dislike it, or I hate it.
I like Apple, but I can also understand why some people hate Apple.
However, when it comes to the actual hardware, the limited computer configurability, limited choice and freedom, the company as a whole, Steve Jobs, and....well......basically everything else about the company, I either dislike it, or I hate it.
I like Apple, but I can also understand why some people hate Apple.
I like lattes, but I'm a designer who cares more about getting my work done so I can hit the patios. When I started 19 years ago, PCs were not up to the task. They may be now, but there isn't any compelling reason for me to try one.
I can't speak for post-iPod fanboys, but I lived the day when the agendas of single stream PC-minded IT departments tried to force a non-performing platform on design departments who ate up the freedom that Apple Computer Inc products allowed. We wore our battle scars proudly when we fought for Macs in the budget, and never once had to call a help desk for any platform specific issue.
Now, almost twenty years later, I can't get myself worked up over hardware when I spent less than half as much for my MBP portable than the desktop it handily replaces.
Now don't get me wrong, I enjoy a good RDF as much as the next person, but I will go with whatever works. If Apple ever screws up enough, I'll consider the other side, but that hasn't happened yet.
I wouldnt say i dont like apple i would just say I am not used to it and they seem rather expensive.
if i can get this http://lavacomp.co.uk/product.php?id_product=65 less than 500£ why worry myself with the apple stress
if i can get this http://lavacomp.co.uk/product.php?id_product=65 less than 500£ why worry myself with the apple stress
You know, there are other purposes for a computer than running benchmark apps.
Apart from that, I hate it when people compare the iMac to "but me can build system for teh 300 bucks!", at least compare it to prebuild systems from dell/hp/etc. - the pc will still be way cheaper but it's a more realistic comparison. Not everyone has the knowledge/desire/time to build a computer.
You're right.
The thing is, for MOST PEOPLE, there's no point in building a PC because theyd screw something up.
For me and a small number of others, there's no point in dropping to or three grand on a computer we could build and spend eight hours to get working for a lot less. See, I don't mind troubleshooting. I like it. I like tinkering and problem-solving.
OSX is a great OS, OS 9 and previous stank a bit.
Their hardware is good. They don't do themselves any favours by being control freaks. The iPhone could be great but its destroy ( IMO ) by crippling the phone ( i.e., no background apps, all apps have to come via AppStore and exclusivity.
Apple has its good side, and also shows its darker side.
If Apple had the market share of microsoft, Apple would probably be the more 'evil' company upon comparison. Whilst Apple were struggling, they had to be very consumer friendly... and now their popularity is rising they can be more restrictive.
I've never had a problem with their customer service, its good and their store staff are above average.
I have always been disappointed by the majority of microsoft software... as opposed to Apple software which is good, albeit, some times can be too limiting, for example iWeb.
Apple are a good company but with sometimes very rough edges.
Their hardware is good. They don't do themselves any favours by being control freaks. The iPhone could be great but its destroy ( IMO ) by crippling the phone ( i.e., no background apps, all apps have to come via AppStore and exclusivity.
Apple has its good side, and also shows its darker side.
If Apple had the market share of microsoft, Apple would probably be the more 'evil' company upon comparison. Whilst Apple were struggling, they had to be very consumer friendly... and now their popularity is rising they can be more restrictive.
I've never had a problem with their customer service, its good and their store staff are above average.
I have always been disappointed by the majority of microsoft software... as opposed to Apple software which is good, albeit, some times can be too limiting, for example iWeb.
Apple are a good company but with sometimes very rough edges.