I do hope you're not referring to my last statement... Protecting patents hardly makes them some evil corporate monster, but I'll be the first to agree they're not always on the up and up.
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I do hope you're not referring to my last statement... Protecting patents hardly makes them some evil corporate monster, but I'll be the first to agree they're not always on the up and up.
This. I don't want to see an Apple dominated world after having lived through a Microsoft dominated world just a few years ago. Microsoft stifled innovation for so long in the dark days before Firefox came into the scene and were truly evil. Apple I figure would be a different type of evil if left without any competition as well.
The only corporation that seems to have a moral conscience these days seems to be Google. Sure, they slip too once in a while but I love their mantra of "Do No Evil" - what other corporation of that size can say the same thing?
I disagree, the few (very few) times I called apple for support, my problem was handled quickly and professionally. Isn't what makes a company great, is by selling and supporting high quality products. I found that to be just the case with apple. I have seen them rather slow to respond on some issues but in all I have no problem with them.
I used buy dells and dealing with support there was a nightmare. Yeah I can be a fanboy at times, but what's wrong with that. Apple is doing something that few others are - innovating and making cool products.
With all that said, who cares if you hate apple, and others admire them. Does it really matter in the scope of the universe? If people get enjoyment with apple and the "mystic" of apple let them, its not hurting anyone.
I do. I have many different types of USB memory sticks, and it's rare that I can connect two at the same time.
I and my wife own an iBook G4, Macbook, and iMac. I used to own another iBook G4. I also own an iPod Mini 4GB and my wife owns some new iPod thingy, don't even know what it is. Additionally, I own an run a Hackintosh.
I can say that Apple, as a company, seems like one of the better computer companies out there. They are not perfect, and Jobs is not a god or demi-god, but overall I don't have a lot of complaints.
My gripes, however, would be that they have not opened up their product line to accommodate one of the largest user bases outside of the average consumer; the guy who wants to have a lot of power with not a lot of cash spent. The guy who builds his own machine and loads it up with the best of what he can get his hands on. The guy who likes to have 4 HDDs and two optical drives, a nice graphics card and the ability to upgrade that at a later date.
Apple tries to force everyone to fit into this arbitrary "consumer" or "pro" mold. Virtually everyone who I talk to regularly seems to fit into the "high-end consumer" or "mid" range of that scale. They are not an "e-mail/web/media" type consumer, but they're also not a powerhouse video editing/3D graphic design aficionado. They fall squarely in the middle somewhere.
I am one of those users. I'm a video editor, but by no means am I going to spend the exuberant amounts of cash needed to put together a Mac Pro system. It would be easy to edit DV on a Macbook, I know cuz I've done it, yet Apple's latest move to eliminate Firewire from the Macbook line is another attempt to force people to "go Pro."
MORAL OF THE STORY?
Apple, make a mid-range tower model. Make it expandable. Make it upgradeable. I don't want to spend a good chunk of cash on an iMac, only to have to buy a whole new one as an "upgrade." I want to be able to swap out the CPU for a better one, I want to be able to switch the graphics card, I want to be able to add HDDs (not the craptastic disaster known as USB drives).
Do it Apple.. make that tower model. MacTower. Alright, that sounds horrible, but someone there gets paid to come up with good names, let him do it.
I can say that Apple, as a company, seems like one of the better computer companies out there. They are not perfect, and Jobs is not a god or demi-god, but overall I don't have a lot of complaints.
My gripes, however, would be that they have not opened up their product line to accommodate one of the largest user bases outside of the average consumer; the guy who wants to have a lot of power with not a lot of cash spent. The guy who builds his own machine and loads it up with the best of what he can get his hands on. The guy who likes to have 4 HDDs and two optical drives, a nice graphics card and the ability to upgrade that at a later date.
Apple tries to force everyone to fit into this arbitrary "consumer" or "pro" mold. Virtually everyone who I talk to regularly seems to fit into the "high-end consumer" or "mid" range of that scale. They are not an "e-mail/web/media" type consumer, but they're also not a powerhouse video editing/3D graphic design aficionado. They fall squarely in the middle somewhere.
I am one of those users. I'm a video editor, but by no means am I going to spend the exuberant amounts of cash needed to put together a Mac Pro system. It would be easy to edit DV on a Macbook, I know cuz I've done it, yet Apple's latest move to eliminate Firewire from the Macbook line is another attempt to force people to "go Pro."
MORAL OF THE STORY?
Apple, make a mid-range tower model. Make it expandable. Make it upgradeable. I don't want to spend a good chunk of cash on an iMac, only to have to buy a whole new one as an "upgrade." I want to be able to swap out the CPU for a better one, I want to be able to switch the graphics card, I want to be able to add HDDs (not the craptastic disaster known as USB drives).
Do it Apple.. make that tower model. MacTower. Alright, that sounds horrible, but someone there gets paid to come up with good names, let him do it.
Personally, I don't like or dislike Apple themselves, I just like their products. Their computers and software are beautifully designed and work amazingly, and their hardware design and intuitive software is unmatched by the PC world. But I feel the gap is closing. When I got my first Mac, an iMac g4 in 2003ish, the Windows PCs of the day ran Windows XP and had uninspiring sluggish hardware designs. Today, there are some really nicely designed PCs out there, and I feel Windows 7 matches OS X. (iLife aside.) While the PC companies have been pulling ahead, I don't feel Apple have been moving fast enough to keep a strong lead, and have instead been focusing on their iPods/iPhones (though it could be argued that the iPhone is their next major computing platform.) Examples like the Mac vs PC ads make Apple as a company come across as arrogant, and I get the feeling that sometimes Apple are so blinded by their own pretentiousness that if they're not careful their competitors could catch up with and surpass them.
Bingo.
I actually had to cut the plastic housing off my datastick to get it to fit.
And if I had a network cable plugged in - it could ONLY go in one USB port.
I've been cursing the name of Apple a LOT this week. WiFi on my UBMB is just a farce.
Well said, how does a company making crappy products keep sweeping all these satisfaction ratings, it's damn near impossible.
Totally, totally agree. Arrogant people think the iPod is what Apple is all about, they seem to be ignorant to the fact that it started primarily as a computer company over 20 years prior. Then you get people that totally talk crap about Apple whenever you bring up Macs, but they're the very same ones that think they're better then everyone else and flaunt the fact that they have an iPhone - what, do they think it's just coincidence that the logos on the back of it just happen to be identical to the ones on a Mac?
For example, last night some of my friends on Facebook were complaining about Windows 7 and how they make too many OS's (what, do they think technology can't evolve?!), and they randomly brought up Macs and one guy goes "...I love Vista, and totally despise Apple". Is that so? Why, then, do you happen to constantly have your iPhone out, making sure people see it while trying to act as if you're only using it in a crowd because you absolutely have to? Bragger. And what, can't you remember when your iPod got stolen and you were saying how much you wanted it back for several weeks?
Sorry about that
For me, the iPhone is actually the epitome of Apple's current state. It has everything wrong with it that it could. Terrible quality control, pretty crappy pricing (that's subjective, of course, but it's my own opinion), software problems that have taken a long time to iron out...(the back case cracking, dead pixels everywhere, light leaks, dust, silent switch falling off, home button problems, terrible 3G reception that Apple has now attempted to fix many times with software updates to only limited success, saying the original iPhone is incapable of functions like video recording and MMS despite the fact it's definitely able to do it when it's jailbroken...). And the sad thing is, a lot of these flaws transitioned to the new iPod touch - dust under the screen and light leaks being the prominent example. Neither of my Macs have exhibited problems as serious as what my iPods have, or what iPhone users seem to experience.
The only thing I don't agree with is the pricing and the parts. I don't agree with spending $3200AUD on the low-end MacBook Pro when it has that stupid flaw where scrolling in Safari causes the text to appear 'wavy' on some parts of the screen (and it's not the graphics card issue; if you have the 15" MBP you should know what I mean). My best friend's PC from well over a year ago had the 9600M graphics card, so it's also a bit pathetic if Apple only starts adopting it in October 2008.
So yes, I totally agree with you. The iPhone crowd has started to ruin Apple for me. The iPhone is a totally buggy device and I would never own one in it's current state. Yet they're the exact same people that put down Macs for being "old, buggy and incompatible" - look at the device you're holding in your hand, I don't see you having it in a condition anywhere ner as good as that in a year...but it'll be a different story for my sturdy Mac.
Damn with all these problems why are Apple products always winning consumer satisfaction ratings in the industry and beating everyone else, I wonder why.
What do you mean they are no better, it's better to him, so that is what matters to him, everything else is irrelevant, or is there a scientific way to measure how "better" something is?
Couldn't have put it better.
Sounds like you got a lemon, cases like yours are represent a tiny minority.
LOL at Apple being too stupid, I want to be as "stupid" as them.
A lot of users, especially when they're at a younger age, go through five stages regarding Apple:
1) They think Apple is for weirdos and geeks.
2) They start using Apple products and notice they're not so bad.
3) They LOVE Apple.
4) Once the initial infatuation wears off, they feel somewhat empty and disappointed, so they hate people who love Apple and call them fanboys. (This is you.
)5) They stop thinking in those somewhat childish categories and start evaluating the products they're dealing with.
I, for one, do think Apple as a company is quite likeable. They make mistakes like everyone else (clones, me.com, iTunes Connect, etc.), but they still manage to create a hardware/software/developer universe that's actually fun to live in and work with.
To be honest, I'd be less of an Apple fan if they were perfect, because being perfect would make Apple less human.
I don't hate Apple just as I don't hate Microsoft. I think both are equally just as good.
I just hate when people think that Macs are problem free when all they have to do is take a look at this very forum as well as any other and they will see all the problems people are having with their Macs. I couldn't tell you how many time I had my Mac Pro freeze up on me and had to hit the power button. probably as many times as I had to hit the power button on my HP running Vista. I still like using my HP with Vista as much as I like using my Macs.
We've also seen how Apple cuts back on quality control with the 3G iPhone. You would think that with all the millions sold that they would have made the 3G with perfect build quality but they didn't. Light leaks, case cracking, uneven front glass where one corner is higher than the rest. It's not all about quality for Apple.
Imacs were another thing. Inferior screens on the 20" models. Even my 23" ACD has uneven lighting just as my HP laptop. I'm not sure why the satisfaction ratings are always so high with Apple when these things exist.
I just hate when people think that Macs are problem free when all they have to do is take a look at this very forum as well as any other and they will see all the problems people are having with their Macs. I couldn't tell you how many time I had my Mac Pro freeze up on me and had to hit the power button. probably as many times as I had to hit the power button on my HP running Vista. I still like using my HP with Vista as much as I like using my Macs.
We've also seen how Apple cuts back on quality control with the 3G iPhone. You would think that with all the millions sold that they would have made the 3G with perfect build quality but they didn't. Light leaks, case cracking, uneven front glass where one corner is higher than the rest. It's not all about quality for Apple.
Imacs were another thing. Inferior screens on the 20" models. Even my 23" ACD has uneven lighting just as my HP laptop. I'm not sure why the satisfaction ratings are always so high with Apple when these things exist.
I completely agree. It seems like they should call themselves Apple Phone Inc. seeing as their computers are just a side project any more. The iPhone is the new face of apple.
I don't really like Apple corporate, no. The golden age of Macs for me was about 1994-1997. I like Mac OS, but I really like Windows too. I wouldn't want to do without either to be honest.
Along with several other members, I don't find Apple to be as good a company as its supporters would have you believe; or as bad as its detractors would say.
In the hardware arena, having a premium priced product which is wholly controlled by the company, has created a form of corporate paternalism that "the company knows best" . . . which is ironic given their "1984" anti-IBM Superbowl commercial. Apple has been as tight fisted and quasi monopolistic as Microsoft over the years, with good and bad result.
What is a bit unsettling is that the company still hasn't loosened itself from the "cult of Steve Jobs" which it must eventually do in order to advance as a company.
In the hardware arena, having a premium priced product which is wholly controlled by the company, has created a form of corporate paternalism that "the company knows best" . . . which is ironic given their "1984" anti-IBM Superbowl commercial. Apple has been as tight fisted and quasi monopolistic as Microsoft over the years, with good and bad result.
What is a bit unsettling is that the company still hasn't loosened itself from the "cult of Steve Jobs" which it must eventually do in order to advance as a company.
Cause this never happens on windows based computers. You know the dell that I currently have that has two usb slots on top of each other. Of course I can fit all of my usb's sticks, you know the ones that are a little fat on top of one that is skinny. Give me a freaking break...... Sorry not a huge fan of apple either but come on now.
I got my first Mac, a 14" iBook G4 in 2005. I thought it was good, but it wasn't until I got my iMac later that year that I started using OS X on a daily basis. I loved it then, it was rock solid and the products were beautiful.
Today though, Apple is shipping computers with an OS which is less stable and less reliable than the one that came with my iBook and it's shipping computers which are completely ugly.
I just cannot understand how they can get things so wrong - they had great people coming out with great designs and then someone decided that these products need black accents. I now own the current Unibody MacBook and it pains me every time I look at it - why the hell couldn't they just make the keyboard and the display rim silver?
I got a new Mac Pro today and it's truly amazing. This and the Mac mini are the last remaining products which Apple sells which I think are worthy of the title "beautiful" and I'm glad I bought it now because no doubt there is a new Pro enclosure on the way which changes the brushed metal for some disgusting black plastic.
On the OS front, I've been using Windows 7 extensively over the past few days and they have Apple beat here. I've not had a single program crash and I've not had any lock ups or forced shutdowns. I wish I could say the same about Leopard, which repeatedly shows me the beach ball and regularly takes around a minute to power off.
Today though, Apple is shipping computers with an OS which is less stable and less reliable than the one that came with my iBook and it's shipping computers which are completely ugly.
I just cannot understand how they can get things so wrong - they had great people coming out with great designs and then someone decided that these products need black accents. I now own the current Unibody MacBook and it pains me every time I look at it - why the hell couldn't they just make the keyboard and the display rim silver?
I got a new Mac Pro today and it's truly amazing. This and the Mac mini are the last remaining products which Apple sells which I think are worthy of the title "beautiful" and I'm glad I bought it now because no doubt there is a new Pro enclosure on the way which changes the brushed metal for some disgusting black plastic.
On the OS front, I've been using Windows 7 extensively over the past few days and they have Apple beat here. I've not had a single program crash and I've not had any lock ups or forced shutdowns. I wish I could say the same about Leopard, which repeatedly shows me the beach ball and regularly takes around a minute to power off.
Your points are valid, but that Dell didnt cost $2000 for the "great apple design."
here is how apple is poisoning mass population.
somebody just throw out statement that he believes apple is so right that "multi-tasking on a phone is so wrong, that single app approach of iPhone is INNOVATIVE".
I mean, com'on, apple can't do multitasking doesn't make single tasking "innovative", where is innovation of stone age approach coming from?
When people becomes lack of objective judgment, the world is doomed.
somebody just throw out statement that he believes apple is so right that "multi-tasking on a phone is so wrong, that single app approach of iPhone is INNOVATIVE".
I mean, com'on, apple can't do multitasking doesn't make single tasking "innovative", where is innovation of stone age approach coming from?
When people becomes lack of objective judgment, the world is doomed.
To each their own. It's pretty stupid to be on Macrumors and/or use Apple products if you hate them.
I certainly don't hate Apple, and I use their products as my main tools every day. Both for business and for personal.
My new Unibody MB is the best computer I've ever owned. Since I've been using Macs the past 7 or 8 years this is the cheapest yet best quality Mac I've bought.
OS X is great, rock solid, and supremely fast with 4GB of RAM and SSD. Windows 7 is an absolute joke and feels like junk to me, it just can't compare.
iPhone and iPod Touch are great devices and revolutionized mobile computing.
I certainly don't hate Apple, and I use their products as my main tools every day. Both for business and for personal.
My new Unibody MB is the best computer I've ever owned. Since I've been using Macs the past 7 or 8 years this is the cheapest yet best quality Mac I've bought.
OS X is great, rock solid, and supremely fast with 4GB of RAM and SSD. Windows 7 is an absolute joke and feels like junk to me, it just can't compare.
iPhone and iPod Touch are great devices and revolutionized mobile computing.
now they revolutionize mobile computing....by ditching the bad multitasking and go back to stone age single tasking....
doomed indeed.
Its a shame Palm had to copy the iPhone by adding multi-tasking and copy/paste, eh?
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throughout my days on the internet i find that uninterpreted sarcasm can lead to a slew of problems, so let me add that the above statement is dripping with sarcasm.