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cmiller4642

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I've gone back and forth with iOS and Android. Each time I end up coming back to iOS. However every time I'm finding less and less reasons to come back.

All the things that have made Apple great seem to be going away little by little with each coming year.

The X will be my last iOS device unless they radically change their software. I cannot believe that I can't have 5 or 6 icons arranged how I want on the home screen of my phone in 2018.
 

Breezygirl

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The X will be my last iOS device unless they radically change their software. I cannot believe that I can't have 5 or 6 icons arranged how I want on the home screen of my phone in 2018.
Agree, just sold my X. Probably won't buy another Apple device until the software greatly improves. Not much innovation anymore especially for the extremely high price of their devices .
 

cmiller4642

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Agree, just sold my X. Probably won't buy another Apple device until the software greatly improves. Not much innovation anymore especially for the extremely high price of their devices .

Yep I agree with Lou from Unbox Therapy on Youtube

"At $1000 you don't want a good phone what you want is no excuses"

The iPhone X should be the best phone in the world for the price they're charging for it. It's inexcusable that my phone drops signal at work and I have to turn it into airplane mode to get back on 4G LTE, it's inexcusable that my phone won't save pictures sometimes and says "offline" when I see a funny pic and want to share it to my friends, it's inexcusable that my phone has bluetooth problems.

Most regrettable tech purchase in my life honestly
 

Wildo6882

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The X will be my last iOS device unless they radically change their software. I cannot believe that I can't have 5 or 6 icons arranged how I want on the home screen of my phone in 2018.

Mine is going to be up for sale soon. I agree - at this price I want everything to be perfect. You can get great devices for half this price in the Android world. I’m moving away from Apple totally. I’m tired of being part of the herd and spending more for inferior devices and services.
 

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You wouldn't want your phone to charge 3x faster right out of the box or pay less money for a flagship device?

I charge my phone overnight and expect it to last until then. So I don’t really care how fast it charges, as long as it charges by the time I wake up.
 

eltoslightfoot

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Yes, they really need to focus on fixing the bugs in the new iOS and Mac operating systems rather than focusing on new features. I love the native software, such as Scrivener, etc., but they used to lap the field in a lot of ways. This WWDC is pretty important to see if I stay with Apple as much as I have.
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If the apps weren’t so much better on iOS I’d not be using it but so many apps on Android are just a bit trash.
Right, it’s almost gotten to the point where the hardware is better on the android side, and the OS is better on the android side, but those apps. :( They need to focus on making apps for just the flagship phones and screw the rest. Ha!
 

GigabitEthernet

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I’m a Software Engineer but on desktop not mobile so I don’t know a lot.

Is developing on Android just much worse then iOS? There must be a reason why the apps are so consistently worse. I can’t believe it is on purpose when the Android marketshare is so much larger.
 

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If the apps weren’t so much better on iOS I’d not be using it but so many apps on Android are just a bit trash.

Depends on the app. I still don’t get why Snapchat has a terrible Android app since it’s the world’s largest OS.
 

Michael Goff

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I’m a Software Engineer but on desktop not mobile so I don’t know a lot.

Is developing on Android just much worse then iOS? There must be a reason why the apps are so consistently worse. I can’t believe it is on purpose when the Android marketshare is so much larger.

Developing on Android means way more screen sizes, different API levels, and the occasional bug that’s just in some OEM skin that isn’t on others. In other words, Android is wide and varied and iOS isn’t really.
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Depends on the app. I still don’t get why Snapchat has a terrible Android app since it’s the world’s largest OS.

Because it doesn’t use the camera.

Edit: My bad, apparently they started to use the Camera API but only the 1st version from around ten years ago.
 
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eltoslightfoot

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I’m a Software Engineer but on desktop not mobile so I don’t know a lot.

Is developing on Android just much worse then iOS? There must be a reason why the apps are so consistently worse. I can’t believe it is on purpose when the Android marketshare is so much larger.

MichaelGoff has the right of it. It is the fragmentation issue. Devs are forced to develop for dozens of different screen sizes and can’t use the APIs for the latest OS because most people aren’t on it.
 

Michael Goff

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MichaelGoff has the right of it. It is the fragmentation issue. Devs are forced to develop for dozens of different screen sizes and can’t use the APIs for the latest OS because most people aren’t on it.

And even when they can, they don’t sometimes. Snapchat is using the Camera API 1 when version 2 came out in 2008.
 

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If the apps weren’t so much better on iOS I’d not be using it but so many apps on Android are just a bit trash.

You are joking right?

The camera app on iPhone is a bit trash in functionality compared to the one in my S8+. Same with gallery/photo, contact, dialer, logs. Basic apps in iPhone are so frustratingly limited in usability. I bet many 3rd party apps are like that too in iphone

The only thing you can brag about is UI color consistency in iPhone app :p
 
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Michael Goff

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You joking right?

The camera app on iPhone is a trash in functionality compared to the one in my S8+. Same with gallery/photo, contact, dialer, logs. Basic apps in iPhone are so frustratingly limited in usability. I bet many 3rd party apps are like that too in iphone

The only thing you can brag about is UI color consistency in iPhone app :p

Not really, in regards to third party apps. I don’t know where you’re getting your information from.
 
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nviz22

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MichaelGoff has the right of it. It is the fragmentation issue. Devs are forced to develop for dozens of different screen sizes and can’t use the APIs for the latest OS because most people aren’t on it.

But I also do not want to be forced to stick to iOS just to have app continuity (no pun intended). I prefer to use Samsung over Apple (gasp, I know). There are always some weird quirks that create my Galaxy uses to be very short lived though. Maybe iOS 12 changes the game up and I might reconsider returning to iOS.
 

mib1800

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Not really, in regards to third party apps. I don’t know where you’re getting your information from.

All Google apps work much more seamlessly with better integration on android.

Most 3rd party apps work better with background processing in android. E.g. on iPhone you have to waste time to wait for data sync to finish before closing app.

Most 3rd party plug-in like keyboard apps are much better on android. Apps in iPhone run in silo. On android apps can interact with each other in real time in true multitasking fashion.

In terms of usability you have the ridiculous iphone workflow where you have to close the app to access app settings in the global Setting.

Due to the power of Android multitasking, apps can run in popup window which isn't available in iPhone. Plus app can continue to run in minimised window so you can temporarily attend to some other tasks.
 
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Michael Goff

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But I also do not want to be forced to stick to iOS just to have app continuity (no pun intended). I prefer to use Samsung over Apple (gasp, I know). There are always some weird quirks that create my Galaxy uses to be very short lived though. Maybe iOS 12 changes the game up and I might reconsider returning to iOS.

You have your preference. I was just saying why Android apps are a mix in quality.
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All Google apps work much more seamlessly with better integration on android.

Most 3rd party apps work better with background processing in android. E.g. on iPhone you have to waste time to wait for data sync to finish before closing app.

Most 3rd party plug-in like keyboard apps are much better on android. Apps in iPhone run in silo. On android apps can interact with each other in real time in true multitasking fashion.

In terms of usability you have the ridiculous iphone workflow where you have to close the app to access app settings in the global Setting.

Due to the power of Android multitasking, apps can run in popup window which isn't available in iPhone. Plus app can continue to run in minimised window so you can temporarily attend to some other tasks.

I have to wonder when the last time that you used an iPhone is.
 

nviz22

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You have your preference. I was just saying why Android apps are a mix in quality.
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I have to wonder when the last time that you used an iPhone is.

Well, apps are optimized well enough on Samsung. Prefer their software for sure. However, I do not want to have an iPhone to get the most optimized apps possible. I wish pure Android was a default choice for people to have preloaded on a phone so that way it gives a foundation for devices.
 

Michael Goff

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Well, apps are optimized well enough on Samsung. Prefer their software for sure. However, I do not want to have an iPhone to get the most optimized apps possible. I wish pure Android was a default choice for people to have preloaded on a phone so that way it gives a foundation for devices.

I don’t want there to be one platform with better than the other. I don’t think Android will be the top choice for a lot of third party developers because it’s more effort without the more money part of the equation. I’m not saying this out of some sense of team, but just what I think. Samsung makes great apps, though, even if they get updated really slowly.
 

nviz22

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I don’t want there to be one platform with better than the other. I don’t think Android will be the top choice for a lot of third party developers because it’s more effort without the more money part of the equation. I’m not saying this out of some sense of team, but just what I think. Samsung makes great apps, though, even if they get updated really slowly.

I think Google may have to go the Windows' route to minimize fragmentation since Microsoft controls the bios and the manufacturer then puts their junk on top of the OS.
 
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