Anybody thinking of leaving iOS behind...?

[cmiller4642]

Why not an LG G7 ThinQ?

I'm in the same sort of boat. I'm really wanting to ditch Apple and my iPhone X but there isn't that ONE phone right now that can lure me away. I like the G7, from what I've seen, but I don't know if I'll be able to buy one as I'm on AT&T. I also want to wait for the OP6, but I'm always a little leery of their camera and support. And the Pixels still carry a decent enough premium that it isn't worth it to buy one now, knowing I'll just want the 3 or 3XL in October. I do like the S9/S9+, but I hate their update cycle.

I'm really torn between the 2. I could go get an S9+ right now and get rid of my iPhone X that I don't like, or I could bite the bullet and live with it until October (which is a long time away).

I think I'm going to wait for a Pixel 3 unless they really bone the design with no wireless charging and big bezels.

 

[Michael Goff]

I'm really torn between the 2. I could go get an S9+ right now and get rid of my iPhone X that I don't like, or I could bite the bullet and live with it until October (which is a long time away).

I think I'm going to wait for a Pixel 3 unless they really bone the design with no wireless charging and big bezels.

I doubt they're going to add inductive charging. They seem to like their two tone metal and glass design.

 

[cmiller4642]

I doubt they're going to add inductive charging. They seem to like their two tone metal and glass design.

That's why I'm leaning to the S9+ or the Pixel 3. I had an S4 and S7 Edge and loved them. I may need to play with it in the store.

I think I could get an S9+ in July and be happy with it for the next 18 or so months.

 

[Marshall73]

I'm an heavy Apple User but please: Windows is objectively NOT buggy, unreliable and slow, but macOS (as well as Office on macOS and iOS)! Also: Should we speak about the very, very bad reliability of the MacBooks with butterfly keyboard? Since the iPhone 4 and the iPad 2 I had to change EVERY TIME the iPhone and the iPad because of hardware issues. At now the iPhone X and the iPad 10.5 have no issues. Again: the SSD of my MacBook Air stopped to work and needed to be changed –> I lost everything. My brother has a MacBook Retina with "the" display failure.…

You lost everything? Regardless of OS you should have backups. Shame on you.

 

[hemon]

You lost everything? Regardless of OS you should have backups. Shame on you.

… I was jung and naiv. Now, I have backups on a second HD, 2 external HD, USB drive and iPhone .

 

[4RunnerHeaven]

Yeah, my MBP 2017 O/S got corrupted 3 times in 3 months I had it on it's own. I sold it after that, and built myself a windows gaming system. Still haven't gotten a new laptop, but it won't be a MAC.

 

[curtvaughan]

Hell of a lot of threads about leaving iOS in this forum these past few months.

Feels like everytime I login here there's another "why I left iOS" or "thinking about leaving iOS" thread.

What I will say is that the Grass is not always greener on the other side no matter which way you go (iOS to Android OR Android to iOS), but it's great to see more people trying different things.

Personally, I could never have iOS as my daily driver of an OS in my phone, it's far too limited and still feels like a glorified Feature Phone OS, rather a full blown smartphone OS that acts like a computer in my pocket away from my computer, but that's me, hence I use iOS on my iPads for simpler things, and Android on my phone as I always have my phone with me,.

One observation I've made in comparing my iPhone 6S+ to my LG V20 - iOS seems to be much better about battery optimization. My iPhone probably has at least 30-40 percent longer charge over the V20 (batteries are about the same age and capacity). The main difference seems to be in how the phones optimize battery usage during standby/idle periods. Since Apple produces both the hardware and software for iDevices, I'm guessing that allows them a greater ability to fine tune the OS to the hardware. I love the V20 for its sound system (4 channel DAC and headphone jack), and for its user replaceable battery (which makes its shorter battery life simple to fix - buy a new/spare battery for $20).

As to areas I've left Apple and gone elsewhere:

1. no more phone jacks, no more iPhones (hence, my 6S+ is my last)
2. lack of ports and faulty keyboards on new MBPs, no more MBPs or any other Apple laptops

I still use and am satisfied with my recently purchased iMac and iPad Pro. As I don't like Windows, I exclusively use Linux on my PC laptops, and they function well for me. I also like being able to tinker "under the hood" with the Linux OS and open software. In a funny way, since Linux is a "Unix - like" OS, it on the surface shares similarity with MacOS (which is actually based on BSD). This is very apparent if you use the command line with either platform.

 

[Ulenspiegel]

"Anybody thinking of leaving iOS behind...?"

Had an Android (again) in my hands just the other day.
The answer is a definite no.

 

[Michael Goff]

I really like the Pixel 2XL and wonder if they will fix their hardware issues before Apple fixes their software ones.

 

[convergent]

"Anybody thinking of leaving iOS behind...?"

Had an Android (again) in my hands just the other day.
The answer is a definite no.

Well that was informative!

 

[mjschabow]

I just can't. I will say that the Google ecosystem is getting better though. If I were to permanently switch to Android, it would have to be a Google Pixel though.

The biggest problem for me is that I just have way too many iTunes purchases as well as the fact that Android's text messaging sucks compared to iMessage.

 

[Ulenspiegel]

Well that was informative!

I am glad you took the time and energy to create an exemplarily substantive post.

 

[jamezr]

I just can't. I will say that the Google ecosystem is getting better though. If I were to permanently switch to Android, it would have to be a Google Pixel though.

The biggest problem for me is that I just have way too many iTunes purchases as well as the fact that Android's text messaging sucks compared to iMessage.

I see the pros and cons of both systems. That's why I have BOTH Android and iPhones. I just can't seem to bite the bullet and get rid of one or the other.

You can sync all of your iTunes content to Android using iSyncr.

 

[mjschabow]

I see the pros and cons of both systems. That's why I have BOTH Android and iPhones. I just can't seem to bite the bullet and get rid of one or the other.

You can sync all of your iTunes content to Android using iSyncr.

Oh I didn't know about iSyncr. Good call! Sounds dumb, but I'm not willing to torrent, and I was pissed that I couldn't watch Lost or Twin Peaks on my Android (yeah, I know there are streaming services, but I already purchased them).

Part of my issue is that my last Android was the LG G6 which is an awful phone. But if the Pixel 3 is a decent price, I may pull the trigger. Budget is a bit tight these days unfortunately so I'm no longer in a place where I can afford the latest and greatest.

 

[tbayrgs]

You can sync all of your iTunes content to Android using iSyncr.

To be clear, you can sync music from an iTunes library but you will not be able to watch video content purchased from iTunes due to DRM--only Apple products will allow this.

 

[flyinmac]

Android has a lot of great features that I miss in iOS. Most notably the removable storage (SD card) that is directly treated like a traditional storage device with files and folders. And I like that it can be removed, inserted into any computer, and handled just like a drive.

This makes data recovery easy. It enables storing files and moving files quite easily.

I used to just direct copy everything I wanted on my phone into a folder on the SD card. Simple.

iOS has great features too.

Basically if you could take them both and make one system that had all the strengths they both have, you would have an excellent platform.

Both have their weak points. Where one falls, the other rises. Neither is best. Simply attempts that fail in different areas. But, both are quite useful, get the job done, and great pieces of software.

I am an iPhone user. Have been since the beginning. But I have also used and owned Android phones that I loved just as much.

 

[jamezr]

To be clear, you can sync music from an iTunes library but you will not be able to watch video content purchased from iTunes due to DRM--only Apple products will allow this.

Correct..... iSyncr will sync all of your music and playlist and ringtones and more!
Full list is here
http://www.jrtstudio.com/iSyncr-iTunes-for-Android

 

[2580285]

I made the switch one year ago after six years on a full Apple ecosystem and I think I'm going to stick with Android.

The integration between devices is neat but in my opinion it only makes sense if you have a full ecosystem. What I miss the most is the ability to make and receive phone calls from my MacBook Pro or from my iMac, but since I'm mainly using Windows on the latter I wouldn't profit from it even if I had an iPhone.

I missed iMessage in the first days after the switch but as I mainly use WhatsApp anyway I can't really say this is going to take me back to Apple. I found the syncing laggy, too, and I didn't like the fact that deleting conversations from a device would have no impact on the same conversation on the other devices. To be fair I have to say that the WhatsApp client for Windows 10 is horrible (but one can always use the web app, which I find to be better).

What I miss the most is the overall polish of iOS, aside from the integration: when you use an iPhone you have a coherent ensemble of well designed tools which work quietly and smoothly. Apps are solid, well done, and the UI, if a bit dull, is very well thought and precise in its design.

This is not to say that Android is bad. When you buy an iPhone or a Galaxy you are getting a premium product one way or the other. Do you like Audi, Mercedes or BMW the best? It comes down to personal preference: the all wheel drive system on one is better, but the other has better infotainment, while the other uses superior gearboxes. I couldn't care less for infotainment, but all wheel drive and gearbox are fundamental aspects when I shop for a car.

Similarly, when I bought my first iPhone and my MacBook Pro I prioritized polish and integration above all else; six years later I found myself choosing flexibility and customization over integration, and build quality and good looks of the hardware over UI polish. I find the current iPhones quite ugly, so I bought a Galaxy S8+ which gave me the added flexibility of Android (even if I miss the quality and consistency of the third-party apps of iOS) and will probably go for a Note at the next contract renewal, but I'm writing this on my shiny new full-spec iMac on which I run Windows, and tomorrow I'll be out and about with my MacBook Pro and my iPad Air.

Oh, well... and the headphone jack. I'm not trashing my perfectly fine Audi (which has got Bluetooth only for calls but not for music, so I use the aux-in TRS jack) nor my superb sounding AKG professional headphones because someone decided we could do without. I just can't see why...

 

[kasakka]

I own an iPad Pro because there is literally nothing better on the tablet side but can't see myself getting an iPhone with the way they are going. The iPhone X is probably the perfect size phone for me but it comes with so many issues:

• No headphone jack.
• Ridiculously expensive. It's about 1050 euros or $1230 for the base model over here.
• No Finnish prediction on stock keyboard or any language prediction in Safari address bar (works on 3rd party keyboards though but the stock one would be really good otherwise).
• Not able to set default apps.
• Awkward file management. When traveling I often need to download files on my phone for things like tickets or directions and I don't trust that iOS is able to open them correctly.
• Stupid download size limits - I have unlimited LTE data so why do I need WiFi to download anything?
• No great Reddit apps (nothing comes even close to Sync for Reddit on Android and the iOS version of that isn't anywhere close to being ready).

I can't even recommend Macbook Pros anymore after the latest redesign. The keyboard feels awful and is unreliable, the dongle hell is real, Touchbar is incredibly useless, the trackpad is too large and I often throw my cursor to wrong places because I brushed it with my palm. The 2015 and earlier MBP I would have recommended to anyone, those were great.

 

[stealth.pilot]

I own an iPad Pro because there is literally nothing better on the tablet side but can't see myself getting an iPhone with the way they are going. The iPhone X is probably the perfect size phone for me but it comes with so many issues:

• No headphone jack.
• Ridiculously expensive. It's about 1050 euros or $1230 for the base model over here.
• No Finnish prediction on stock keyboard or any language prediction in Safari address bar (works on 3rd party keyboards though but the stock one would be really good otherwise).
• Not able to set default apps.
• Awkward file management. When traveling I often need to download files on my phone for things like tickets or directions and I don't trust that iOS is able to open them correctly.
• Stupid download size limits - I have unlimited LTE data so why do I need WiFi to download anything?
• No great Reddit apps (nothing comes even close to Sync for Reddit on Android and the iOS version of that isn't anywhere close to being ready).

I can't even recommend Macbook Pros anymore after the latest redesign. The keyboard feels awful and is unreliable, the dongle hell is real, Touchbar is incredibly useless, the trackpad is too large and I often throw my cursor to wrong places because I brushed it with my palm. The 2015 and earlier MBP I would have recommended to anyone, those were great.

What Android device are you using?

 

[kasakka]

What Android device are you using?

I have a Oneplus 3 at the moment, with SultanXDA's LineageOS ROM. I have a hard time finding reasons to replace it since it runs really smoothly, takes good enough pictures, good battery life etc. I would like something a bit smaller with a bezelless display but apart from the S8/9 there are not many good contenders.

The thing is that apart from the camera, I don't feel that the flagship phones do anything better than my much cheaper OP3. While they may have higher resolution, more accurate displays or the latest chipsets etc, in real world use they are not noticeably better in use. Makes it hard to justify paying 2-3x more than what my now a few years old phone cost.

 

[Wildo6882]

The thing is that apart from the camera, I don't feel that the flagship phones do anything better than my much cheaper OP3. While they may have higher resolution, more accurate displays or the latest chipsets etc, in real world use they are not noticeably better in use. Makes it hard to justify paying 2-3x more than what my now a few years old phone cost.

I completely understand that part. I’ve been an iOS user for a little while and am currently on an iPhone X. I see absolutely nothing about this phone that makes it worth the price that I paid. Especially when you compare it to the OnePlus phones, and even some of the other Android phones out there that are considerably cheaper. My iX does not make my life any better or easier than a cheaper Android phone would. The only thing about Apple is the support you get. It would be slightly questionable on OnePlus.

 

[sunking101]

I just can't. I will say that the Google ecosystem is getting better though. If I were to permanently switch to Android, it would have to be a Google Pixel though.

The biggest problem for me is that I just have way too many iTunes purchases as well as the fact that Android's text messaging sucks compared to iMessage.

I decided long ago that I wasn't going to let iTunes app purchases tie me indefinitely to iOS. I now own the same paid for apps on both platforms and am free to get whichever new phone I want each year (currently a Note 8). Once again I do not understand this iMessage worship! I use Google messages, Aqua Mail and Whatsapp. My messaging needs are more than adequately covered...

 

[Michael Goff]

For me, I have a new thing tying my up every time I move back to Android, and it’s Google. Between Duplex, the drone program, and Selfish Ledger, I don’t know if I can trust them as a company. I tell everyone else to vote with their wallets, and I’m going to as well.

 

[jamezr]

For me, I have a new thing tying my up every time I move back to Android, and it’s Google. Between Duplex, the drone program, and Selfish Ledger, I don’t know if I can trust them as a company. I tell everyone else to vote with their wallets, and I’m going to as well.

None of them deserve our trust to be honest...

Between slowing phones down to spur upgrades to touch disease and bendgate.....

Phone 6 'bendgate' was real -- and Apple knew about it, according to court docs
https://www.cnet.com/news/court-docs-reveal-apple-knew-about-iphone-6-touch-disease/