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epicrayban

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There have been a number of different threads on the advantages of each platform. Each side claiming to be objective, of course nobody really is.

You are within your right to have the opinion Apple needs to catch up, just as I am of the opinion the entire Apple ecosystem is heads and tails above the competition.

My son has a moto x from a i4 and have used it extensively and just do not like it as it daily driver; so I'm happy with iOS as a platform.

Personally, I find the ecosystem argument a bit overblown. Android can easily communicate and work with many platforms, including OSX. I've used my OnePlus and Macbooks/iMacs seamlessly. It's another advantage; you're not tied to Google's ecosystem just because you're using Android.

I'd argue it's impossible to look at both operating systems objectively and not say one is better than the other. You're not being objective if you really can't tell that one clearly is better. If you prefer the other, of course, that's perfectly fine.

I can objectively say Windows, for example, isn't anywhere near as good as iOS or Android. But when it comes to Android or iOS, suddenly objectivity is out the window...?

I want to be clear, though... This isn't about who is better than the other; this is about whether Apple should continue the way they're continuing given what the competition is doing. You're arguing they should because they're selling millions. I'm arguing they shouldn't just because they're selling millions.

What you like is what you like. I enjoy iOS, too.
 
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Vegastouch

macrumors 603
Jul 12, 2008
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Personally, I find the ecosystem argument a bit overblown. Android can easily communicate and work with many platforms, including OSX. I've used my OnePlus and Macbooks/iMacs seamlessly. It's another advantage; you're not tied to Google's ecosystem just because you're using Android.

I'd argue it's impossible to look at both operating systems objectively and not say one is better than the other. You're not being objective if you really can't tell that one clearly is better. If you prefer the other, of course, that's perfectly fine.

I can objectively say Windows, for example, isn't anywhere near as good as iOS or Android. But when it comes to Android or iOS, suddenly objectivity is out the window...?

I want to be clear, though... This isn't about who is better than the other; this is about whether Apple should continue the way they're continuing given what the competition is doing. You're arguing they should because they're selling millions. I'm arguing they shouldn't just because they're selling millions.

What you like is what you like. I enjoy iOS, too.

I agree. I think if Apple would have just had bigger screens and added nothing to iOS 8 , the would of sold many millions. How many they sell doesnt mean it is better. People like the brand and it is a good brand, Its just there are others out there that i like and use and i prefer Android as my phone OS as it is the device i use the most.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

macrumors G3
Oct 27, 2009
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I agree and disagree to some extent. I think people are indeed looking at the competition with a newfound interest, in part thanks to Samsung, in part thanks to Google, in part thanks to MS, in part thanks to more affordable options, and many other reasons.

However, I wouldn't agree that the bubble is that easy to pop. If anything, people are flocking to iPhones in droves, despite what Samsung/HTC or others may be offering. The Apple branding is incredibly strong. I don't think people here realize just how strong it is...



You might be right, the Apple brand is strong. That's why anything Apple does, companies like Samsung would have to follow. But that's also vice versa. The key difference is Apple can take their sweet time, but eventually MUST follow the trends and/or wants of the consumer.

Now let's say Samsung comes out of nowhere with the folding display. Apple would not be able to sit on it rear as long as they are use to, they would have to copy or brainstorm in a timely matter, cause no branding is that good to survive being dated.
 

Truefan31

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Aug 25, 2012
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Anyone else considered giving up their iPhone for the new Galaxy S6?

I just think it's funny making it seem like apple is some draconian company that is archaic. The brand is strong because they make good products and services. Not just phones, but tablets and real computers. They have the best App Store overall especially tablet apps. Continuity and iCloud are really nice, the ecosystem is top notch. Honestly I'd love too for the iPhone to improve, like more ram and maybe slightly higher mp camera. But I'm not acting like the iPhone is a low tier dinosaur.

The s6 seems nice. Samsung needed a hit and it looks like they got, part of that adopting elements from the supposed low tier iPhone. Competition is always good for us in the end. I look forward to September for what ls next for apple (impressed with the G4 too).

And people thinking the apple following is some kind of blind cult should really look at Samsungs influence in Korea. It's borderline insane the influence they have on the country (I'm Korean American btw)
 

jamezr

macrumors P6
Aug 7, 2011
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And people thinking the apple following is some kind of blind cult should really look at Samsungs influence in Korea. It's borderline insane the influence they have on the country (I'm Korean American btw)

Thats Apple worldwide......not just one country.
 

Truefan31

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Aug 25, 2012
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Anyone else considered giving up their iPhone for the new Galaxy S6?

Thats Apple worldwide......not just one country.


Lol Samsung is a borderline crime syndicate in Korea. No comparison not even close.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...215420-3de1-11e2-bca3-aadc9b7e29c5_story.html

Just one article illustrating my point. Samsung was a gift at first but now sentiment is its a curse.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-became-the-giant-that-ate-korea-8510588.html
 
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mofunk

macrumors 68020
Aug 26, 2009
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I'm an iPhone guy all the way, but I think you're thinking about the way things were in 2012 :D

Google Play and Amazon offer the vast majority of apps you'll find in the App Store, and what you can't find can usually be replaced with a decent alternative. And multitasking on large android phones is pretty slick. Being able to use two apps on the same screen is something I'm really looking forward to on the iPhone one day.

Having said that, I stick with iPhones because of the ecosystem. There is nothing on android like iCloud, and for all its warts, iOS just works better for me.

The S6 looks like a fantastic device (maybe because it looks really familiar ;) ) but I just don't know what's going on with Samsung. I think they consistently put the best displays on their phones...I freaking love their screens, but everything else is mostly a head scratcher (Touch Wiz, water proofing the S5 and not the S6, taking away expandable storage/battery swapping). It's like everything they do is an attempt to one-up Apple and other competitors....throwing a half-baked finger print reader in, making a metal body at the expense of being able to swap out internals, the Galaxy Pay service (we'll see how well that works I guess). It's like they just throw everything possible into the phone to see what sticks. No rhyme or reason, no cohesiveness, just a random assortment of features.

I don't always agree with everything Apple does with the iPhone, but they have a consistent design language and are very methodical. I know the next iPhone is going to be everything my current one is and more. You can't say that about Samsung.


I see your point. Androids I don't prefer because I've watch iOS grow into a nice ecosystem. It was like that in 200? for me before the iPhone came out. Using my Mac along with my Motorola phone was sweet and now I get to do the same. Galaxy is all glam. The OS is filled with a bunch of stuff you don't need. I can say that in iOS system I don't use maybe 3-5 of the apps but I have the option to add the Works (processing) and media apps.

I know most people don't use them but there are a lot of hardware devices that only use iOS gadgets. You can't say that for Galaxy or any Android device. Its kinda funny because 20years ago it was PC has more vs Mac having less. Hardware devices that are used for music, video recording, etc.
 

Technarchy

macrumors 604
May 21, 2012
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And you can make that statement with a straight virtual face?

I fully expect the 6s to upset the status quo as the 5s did. Not that the 5s is any slouch of a phone almost 2 years after its release.

I think the 6S will be a solid phone that will sell well. But Lord knows the iPhone 6 shipped woefully under-spec'ed.

The S6 is spec'ed well enough that Samsung could easily afford to focus on Touchwiz optimization and android updates and still hold it's own against the iPhone 7 in 2016.
 

jamezr

macrumors P6
Aug 7, 2011
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Lol Samsung is a borderline crime syndicate in Korea. No comparison not even close.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...215420-3de1-11e2-bca3-aadc9b7e29c5_story.html

Just one article illustrating my point. Samsung was a gift at first but now sentiment is its a curse.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-became-the-giant-that-ate-korea-8510588.html
Those articles prove nothing......not even going start digging up all the articles and dirt I can find to counter your point because its not worth it.

We all know you only come here to say something negative about Android and more specifically Samsung. You are a self professed Apple guy. So your motives and agenda are pretty clear. I don't know why i even bothered to reply to your post. I knew where it was going. More chances for you to write more Samsung hate.
I'll just go back to pretending your not here.......
 

Truefan31

macrumors 68040
Aug 25, 2012
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Those articles prove nothing......not even going start digging up all the articles and dirt I can find to counter your point because its not worth it.



We all know you only come here to say something negative about Android and more specifically Samsung. You are a self professed Apple guy. So your motives and agenda are pretty clear. I don't know why i even bothered to reply to your post. I knew where it was going. More chances for you to write more Samsung hate.

I'll just go back to pretending your not here.......


Those articles are only to show that when it comes to influence and power of a brand Samsung far outweighs apple in their respective origin country. Samsung is in the infrastructure of the whole economy In Korea (Hyundai motors is pretty big too). It's good and bad. For all the supposed apple sheep it's even worse with Samsung but because we're in the us you don't know about it. Lol there's articles on the web, there's the Korean newspapers my family gets, and the Korean news channels we get as well. But ok I guess I don't know huh.

People think for whatever reason that most iPhone users are blindly following the brand. How about people that actually enjoy the iPhone's/apple experience? I've already said it looks like the s6 will sell well, the bounce back Samsung mobile needed. They borrowed some elements from apple this time around and it looks like it worked. I gotta smh at people thinking the iPhone is a low tier phone though. That shows bias right there. I hope the 6s is a nice improvement, but the G4 looks really impressive (except that leather back). I like what lg is doing (another Korean company) but the overall apple ecosystem is my preference.

I asked earlier if you root the s6 does it trip Knox and void the warranty. I've read that Samsung pay won't work either. Is this true? I think the response was to turn Knox off. So if you do that u can root without any repercussion? Has it been confirmed Samsung pay will work since it's not out yet?
 

I7guy

macrumors Nehalem
Nov 30, 2013
35,160
25,279
Gotta be in it to win it
I think the 6S will be a solid phone that will sell well. But Lord knows the iPhone 6 shipped woefully under-spec'ed.

The S6 is spec'ed well enough that Samsung could easily afford to focus on Touchwiz optimization and android updates and still hold it's own against the iPhone 7 in 2016.

Nobody except geeks will care; the average Apple consumer wants a decent phone. Heck, I don't even care and I understand this Mumbo-jumbo; all I care about is form and function. And while tech sites are talking specs and the 6s and 7 with apparently less capable hardware is beating the pants off the competition, Apple will be selling these phones by the truck load.
 
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jun180

macrumors regular
Apr 27, 2010
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Specifically what has apple fallen behind on? What can you do on Android that you cant do on IOS?

How about attach a file to an email reply. IOS cannot do this at the moment natively.
 

Savor

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Jun 18, 2010
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This is the year when Samsung finally attracted the diehard Apple fans and design freaks with two stylish S variants. It is similar to the critical acclaim many felt when a number of iPhone users switched to the HTC One M7 two years ago who eventually became rabid towards HTC and build quality. Samsung needed to attract NEW buyers the same way Apple did for phablet fans with the iPhone 6 Plus. Your marketshare can't grow if you can only attract the same repeat buyers.

Samsung also needed to silence their critics that kept criticizing about their weak design and bloated TouchWiz. Neither S6/S6 edge are perfect but this is probably Samsung's best effort and the biggest gamechanger in their mobile division's history. The ace up their sleeve is not relying on Qualcomm this time and future-proofing the S6/S6 edge performance by leapfrogging passed the Snapdragon 810 by a good 6-8 months or until the 820 gets released. By then, Samsung might release an even better Exynos.
 

holydude

macrumors regular
Oct 13, 2013
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Those articles are only to show that when it comes to influence and power of a brand Samsung far outweighs apple in their respective origin country. Samsung is in the infrastructure of the whole economy In Korea (Hyundai motors is pretty big too). It's good and bad. For all the supposed apple sheep it's even worse with Samsung but because we're in the us you don't know about it. Lol there's articles on the web, there's the Korean newspapers my family gets, and the Korean news channels we get as well. But ok I guess I don't know huh.

People think for whatever reason that most iPhone users are blindly following the brand. How about people that actually enjoy the iPhone's/apple experience? I've already said it looks like the s6 will sell well, the bounce back Samsung mobile needed. They borrowed some elements from apple this time around and it looks like it worked. I gotta smh at people thinking the iPhone is a low tier phone though. That shows bias right there. I hope the 6s is a nice improvement, but the G4 looks really impressive (except that leather back). I like what lg is doing (another Korean company) but the overall apple ecosystem is my preference.

I asked earlier if you root the s6 does it trip Knox and void the warranty. I've read that Samsung pay won't work either. Is this true? I think the response was to turn Knox off. So if you do that u can root without any repercussion? Has it been confirmed Samsung pay will work since it's not out yet?

All chaebols are powerful in Korea. But more of that power gets eaten out by your average korean businessman. They are very regulated in Korea. But this is the same with every corporaton.

Name one big corporation which is only butterflies and roses :rolleyes:
 

BeeGood

macrumors 68000
Sep 15, 2013
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Lot 23E. Somewhere in Georgia.
I do that by using a great mail client called Cloud magic. All my important stuff is on dropbox, so Cloud magic has dropbox support.

There are a couple of good email clients that allow you to attach files, including cloud magic. But I think that just proves how goofy it is that the native app (which I prefer to use) can't do it.

We've had extensibility for over 6 months now, and given the way it was pitched at WWDC last year, it's actually kind of laughable that I can't even attach something from iCloud Drive, let alone anywhere else.

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This is the year when Samsung finally attracted the diehard Apple fans and design freaks with two stylish S variants. It is similar to the critical acclaim many felt when a number of iPhone users switched to the HTC One M7 two years ago who eventually became rabid towards HTC and build quality. Samsung needed to attract NEW buyers the same way Apple did for phablet fans with the iPhone 6 Plus. Your marketshare can't grow if you can only attract the same repeat buyers.

Samsung also needed to silence their critics that kept criticizing about their weak design and bloated TouchWiz. Neither S6/S6 edge are perfect but this is probably Samsung's best effort and the biggest gamechanger in their mobile division's history. The ace up their sleeve is not relying on Qualcomm this time and future-proofing the S6/S6 edge performance by leapfrogging passed the Snapdragon 810 by a good 6-8 months or until the 820 gets released. By then, Samsung might release an even better Exynos.

I get this and agree that Samsung had to do something different, but I really wonder how many long time users bail because of what was lost going from the S4/S5 to the S6
 

Zaft

macrumors 601
Jun 16, 2009
4,570
4,049
Brooklyn, NY
There are a couple of good email clients that allow you to attach files, including cloud magic. But I think that just proves how goofy it is that the native app (which I prefer to use) can't do it.

We've had extensibility for over 6 months now, and given the way it was pitched at WWDC last year, it's actually kind of laughable that I can't even attach something from iCloud Drive, let alone anywhere else.



I agree that it makes no sense why the stock mail client has no support for even iCloud drive. Having support for local files is not an issue for me, but I can see how it can for other people. The cloud is powerful and I keep my stuff there.

It's great that there are alternatives. Cloud Magic is basically my default because now any app can be in the share list. No more going to the specific app to send something.
 

bnmcj1

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Apr 13, 2014
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iPhone prices recently jumped to an insane level in Europe because of the dollar going up. My iPhone 6 is bought on release day, but it is way more expensive now 6 months later. S6 costs less here and I could see people shift. But everyone use iPhone where I live.

After trying the S6, I do not understand why I dont just sell my iPhone 6. I am annoyingly tied to the ecosystem because of family. I use Google services everywhere I can, because I do not trust Apples code abilities and stability in cloud drive. Also it is too looked down. But the Apple TV mirroring, iMessage, Keychain, photostream with family, FaceTime and so on makes it hard to shift.

S6 makes my iPhone 6 look 5 years behind. Have never seen anything like the camera and video quality, screen quality, speed and so on. Now Apple will make a boring 6s version with 2 gb ram and plain boring incremental updates. The competition jumps way bigger and evolve quicker. Might keep this iPhone till it dies, but next time it will be Samsung. I won't put my money in a sleeping company. Samsung gives much more fun :)
 
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