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Anyone else not wanting Lion?
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Just thought I'd point out that show desktop still exists. It's even the same button on the keyboard. (or four-finger spread if you have a new trackpad). And hey, show all windows still exists too! It's the same key too, btw. Yes, it looks a little different because windows are grouped by app now (but it still shows all the windows open for each app!), and you have access to spaces/fullscreen apps, but that's better in my opinion. Certainly not a loss.
As for the gestures, I know mac pro users that have bought a magic trackpad just to get the increased day-to-day efficiency of the gestures, and only use their 3rd-party mouse for specific tasks (pro video, gaming, etc.).
It amazes me the **** people will make up and go to the trouble to post on a forum just to talk themselves out of spending 30 bucks. Me, I'm a graphic designer. I would have spent the 30 bucks just for the new UI candy.
As for the gestures, I know mac pro users that have bought a magic trackpad just to get the increased day-to-day efficiency of the gestures, and only use their 3rd-party mouse for specific tasks (pro video, gaming, etc.).
It amazes me the **** people will make up and go to the trouble to post on a forum just to talk themselves out of spending 30 bucks. Me, I'm a graphic designer. I would have spent the 30 bucks just for the new UI candy.
first, yeah, show desktop still exists (the gesture isn't quite as natural though), and having a Magic Trackpad can help in some cases, especially if more applications start taking advantage of gestures.
that's not showing all windows, that's showing all spaces and applications, and sort of the application windows. Show All Windows, as originally implemented in Leopard, showed windows as they were positioned on the desktop, not by application. Snow Leopard lost a bit of the position-based organization to make it look neater. Lion does away with that entirely, making you look for the application, and then look for the window. it is not the same in intent or in use.
that isn't to say it's useless, but it's simply not the same thing.
it's not about the $30, it's about ease of use and productivity. Lion adds some functionality and takes others away. it's not like you can choose what features to use and what to keep from SL, otherwise yeah, there would be no reason to complain.
that's not showing all windows, that's showing all spaces and applications, and sort of the application windows. Show All Windows, as originally implemented in Leopard, showed windows as they were positioned on the desktop, not by application. Snow Leopard lost a bit of the position-based organization to make it look neater. Lion does away with that entirely, making you look for the application, and then look for the window. it is not the same in intent or in use.
that isn't to say it's useless, but it's simply not the same thing.
It amazes me the **** people will make up and go to the trouble to post on a forum just to talk themselves out of spending 30 bucks. Me, I'm a graphic designer. I would have spent the 30 bucks just for the new UI candy.
it's not about the $30, it's about ease of use and productivity. Lion adds some functionality and takes others away. it's not like you can choose what features to use and what to keep from SL, otherwise yeah, there would be no reason to complain.
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I am forced to go back to Snow Leopard.
My Wacom Intuos pen does not double-click under OS X Lion.
I'll have to wait until Wacom brings out a new Wacom Intuos driver.
I like OS X Lion well enough but there is nothing there to rave about that I can find.
The only thing I really want but it is still not available is QuickTime X Pro. I've been waiting for QuickTime X Pro ever since Snow Leopard was launched. It gets me angry just thinking about it. And don't tell me how hard it is to rewrite the code.
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I am forced to go back to Snow Leopard.
My Wacom Intuos pen does not double-click under OS X Lion.
I'll have to wait until Wacom brings out a new Wacom Intuos driver.
I like OS X Lion well enough but there is nothing there to rave about that I can find.
The only thing I really want but it is still not available is QuickTime X Pro. I've been waiting for QuickTime X Pro ever since Snow Leopard was launched. It gets me angry just thinking about it. And don't tell me how hard it is to rewrite the code.
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I'm staying on SL for a bit, but am looking forward to the whole-disk, Time Machine-compatible encryption in Lion, and to the new voices, as I like my Mac to read to me from time to time.
I am going to experiment with moving voices from Lion to my Snow Leopard installation, to see if I can get that benefit of Lion without installing it.
I am going to experiment with moving voices from Lion to my Snow Leopard installation, to see if I can get that benefit of Lion without installing it.
This. Someone said it one of the Macworld podcasts that their Wacom tablet isn't playing nicely with Lion and if you have 'natural' scrolling it breaks the tablets functionality.
I installed Lion on my older not-nearly-as-used 2009 MBP and it installed without a hitch but sadly there wasn't much there to be 'wowed' by. Mail is much better but mission control/launchpad aren't my bag.
Overall Lion is "nice" but hardly necessary until someone proves it will make my current apps work faster. Until then, and the Wacom issue is addressed, I'll wait on my MP.
I'm sticking with SL for the forseable future. I played with Lion today and personally I don't like mush of what it does or how it does it. I'm also very disappointed that Frontrow is gone - I really like FR! Lion doesn''t do anything I can't live without - at least that's how I feel at this time.
I want to do the same thing although I'm not sure if it's possible.
Older machines need the Snow Leopard discs to get to Lion but the new Lion computers have that Internet Recovery thing. Even if you found a way to install 10.6 would it even be useable?
Guess we'll have to see how it all turns out later on down the road.
I got a bunch of programs I know won't work on Lion, for at least a little bit.
Also I told myself if I got Lion, I was gonna do a clean install for the first time in who knows how long. I've moved this one between 3 or so Macs...I think a clean install might get rid of some odd quirks that have accumulated over time.
But I don't have the patience or motivation to do that right now.
I'm in no rush.
Also I told myself if I got Lion, I was gonna do a clean install for the first time in who knows how long. I've moved this one between 3 or so Macs...I think a clean install might get rid of some odd quirks that have accumulated over time.
But I don't have the patience or motivation to do that right now.
I'm in no rush.
I just got a new mac mini with lion. First step is pull the oem hdd clone it to an ssd. Then install the ssd. The oem hdd is a virgin never booted only cloned. I now have recovery hdd if I need it. It would be easier to use then the internet recovery system. If i get a new mac pro i would pull the oem hdd and clone it as a spare.
We had all this when Snow Leopard came out. There was no need to update when Leopard worked. After all Snow Leopard was just a tune up. And when Leopard came out there was no reason to upgrade because Tiger worked well. After all Leopard only added Time Machine and Spaces. Before that there was no need to upgrade to Tiger from Panther because Tiger only added Dashboard and Spotlight.
The thing for Apple is if they don't push forward they are effectively slowing down. Lion is the stepping stone to the next thing... and the next thing... and the next thing... and they are all incremental steps. But they are necessary steps to make.
The point is after a few years these steps all add up. Using Mac OS X Jaguar would be jarring now. Going back to Mac OS 9 now would be like using stone age technology.
The thing for Apple is if they don't push forward they are effectively slowing down. Lion is the stepping stone to the next thing... and the next thing... and the next thing... and they are all incremental steps. But they are necessary steps to make.
The point is after a few years these steps all add up. Using Mac OS X Jaguar would be jarring now. Going back to Mac OS 9 now would be like using stone age technology.
Panther (10.3), not Leopard implemented this originally in 2003.
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This morning I want from 35 PowerPC items to 13. Last week I pruned other PowerPC apps. But there is one app I am not willing to part with and that is my Spyder2Pro.
Yes, I could replace it for a couple of hundred $$$ and have something newer. But in the end, the S2P does what I want and I don't have to spend any $$$ for that.
Until there is a compelling reason I'm sticking with SL.
Yes, I could replace it for a couple of hundred $$$ and have something newer. But in the end, the S2P does what I want and I don't have to spend any $$$ for that.
Until there is a compelling reason I'm sticking with SL.
Sadly the answer is quite clear:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4485/back-to-the-mac-os-x-107-lion-review/23
Loa
I'm not a huge fan of Lion
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=11281290&#post11276523
I've been running it on non-production machines since Wednesday though. It's growing on me. There are always benefits to running the latest OS from Apple, but without trying to convince you why you should like Lion, I would only point out that PPC has been gone for a very long time now, centuries in computer years
If you really need some app that requires Rosetta or are continuing to use some other OS X version, I have to mention that Lion being released does not make your previous systems any less useful then they were last week.The vast majority of people are ready and willing to move on, those that are not aren't being forced to. Apple is usually consistent with releasing security and major fixes, to the previous version of an OS, at least until something else replaces Lion. So you've got another 2 years or so of good support.
I make a living using Macs. My interest in PPC support was huge, during Apple's transition. That was a long time ago. I don't think I've noticed that PPC is even still alive for at least 4 years now.
So far I'd have to say that the new Mail is significantly better and worth a $29 upgrade all by itself.
every OS revision includes a ton of changes to the inner workings. Lion is no different.