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Anyone else sick of Safari?

I have been using Safari ever since its release. Like all browsers there is an occasional issue, but for the most part it does everything I ask of it. I also keep a copy of Chrome for the rare instance when a form or something else requires it. I have from time to time tried Firefox and other browsers, but for my purposes none of them do anything that Safari does not already do. My use is home only so business applications may have other issues. I spent years having to use Windows and IE at work. It was always a relief to come home and use my Mac.
 
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I bump up against an occasional "This site won't run on this browser", but in general Safari works fine for me. I keep Chrome as a backup for those cases, and run Edge on my XPS 9510, so I'm able to do what I need without frustration.
 
Cognizant. said:
Yes ... and that's the first thing I change when I set up the phone or the computer. Takes a few seconds.
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SpotOnT said:
I don't use the default search engine....
I mean it literally takes less than two seconds to go into preferences in Firefox and change that to DuckDuckGo. Same for Safari.
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That is beside the point. Firefox is a Google product. Mozilla is dependent on that income. And we don't know what else they have sold out. Things we can't see or change...
 
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AlixSPQR said:
That is beside the point. Firefox is a Google product. Mozilla is dependent on that income. And we don't know what else they have sold out. Things we can't see or change...
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Yes and Mozilla also just joined forces with Facebook because they're a garbage company. And Google is garbage. I use Brave so I can at least have web compatibility without all the Google nonsense infused into the browser.
 
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Safari is great for casual browsing. But I do find myself often opening Edge when paying bills as I have encountered some websites with Safari that don't respond as well, or text fields seem to be misaligned. Or SOMETHING, in which I just don't feel safe putting critical information in there.

I would love to see what Apple could do with a Chromium based browser.
 
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DCohen726 said:
Safari is great for casual browsing. But I do find myself often opening Edge when paying bills as I have encountered some websites with Safari that don't respond as well, or text fields seem to be misaligned. Or SOMETHING, in which I just don't feel safe putting critical information in there.

I would love to see what Apple could do with a Chromium based browser.
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Precicely, whenever for example i need to go and pay for my bin collections, I have to go to Edge.
 
singularity0993 said:
That is because Safari is really a nightmare to web developers.
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No doubt there are issues that could cause problems for some developers. But I have been building a complex mapping/gps web app and have recently added some advanced features like LIDAR-based 3d terrain using webGL. No nightmares here, everything seems to work fine on Safari as well as Chrome, Firefox and Edge. Perhaps the difference is that Safari on the Mac has always been my preferred browser, so that's what I use for initial development and debugging?

I really see very little compatibility issues with other sites on Safari. Ran into a problem recently on a USGS website where a list of search results wouldn't scroll on Safari and had to use Edge instead. And there was problem with an update to Sling TV's streaming site a couple months ago so I switched to Chrome for that. There were still some issues there too, so I suspect it was just general bugginess after the update. Those are the only issues I can recall recently, but of course it really depends on the sites you use.

But I will say there's one annoying "feature" to Safari that has been discussed in other threads here - the "This webpage is using significant memory" popup message. I have 64gb of memory and don't really care about that, wish there was a way to turn it off. Other browsers don't ever seem to display such a message.
 
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Cognizant. said:
It makes money with opt in advertising that you can choose not to opt into. And if you choose to opt into it, not only does Brave make money, you do as well. I don't want anything to do with cryptocurrency, so I don't opt in. There's nothing wrong with Brave.
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If you want to believe that there's nothing wrong with Brave, please feel free to do so. I have shown otherwise, though.
 
AlixSPQR said:
If you want to believe that there's nothing wrong with Brave, please feel free to do so. I have shown otherwise, though.
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You haven't shown anything. This is literally from the link you just gave me, which reiterated what I just said:

Brave has built-in telemetry​

While running, Brave will make lots of requests to the domain p3a.brave.com as telemetry. They claim they store the collected data for several days.[8] This feature is an opt-out that can be disabled. This opt-out can be disabled here.


Anything they store is not for nefarious purposes, even if you don't opt out.
 
Cognizant. said:
You haven't shown anything. This is literally from the link you just gave me, which reiterated what I just said:

Brave has built-in telemetry​

While running, Brave will make lots of requests to the domain p3a.brave.com as telemetry. They claim they store the collected data for several days.[8] This feature is an opt-out that can be disabled. This opt-out can be disabled here.


Anything they store is not for nefarious purposes, even if you don't opt out.
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Most people don't know anything about such things, so Brave actually collects a lot of user data. It should be an opt-in. But it isn't. That's whats wrong with Brave.
What they do with it, well, that's a question of trust, not at all about benign certainty, as you claim.
 
AlixSPQR said:
Most people don't know anything about such things, so Brave actually collects a lot of user data. It should be an opt-in. But it isn't. That's whats wrong with Brave.
What they do with it, well, that's a question of trust, not at all about benign certainty, as you claim.
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If you want to think like that, then how can you be confident that Chromium, which is literally made by Google, and is supposed to be free of Google things, doesn't actually have Google things buried in the code? You can't really trust anyone, but Brave has shown to be fairly ethical.
 
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Cognizant. said:
If you want to think like that, then how can you be confident that Chromium, which is literally made by Google, and is supposed to be free of Google things, doesn't actually have Google things buried in the code? You can't really trust anyone, but Brave has shown to be fairly ethical.
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Chromium is actually open source (FOSS) and then altered into Google Chrome, Edge, Brave, Opera, et cetera. Anyone with good knowledge can check Chromium's code base. It doesn't really matter who produces the code in that sence.

But, of course, if you can't check the code yourself, then you are dependent on anyone's good word, that's true.

Still, it is obvious that some browsers uses telemetry to earn money, i.e. profit from your behaviour. I rather trust Woolyss Chromium than Brave, on my own part, in that regard.

I believe it is troublesome that a lot of people point to Google, say it's an evil corp, and are happy about that, since other browsers subsequently are being used without criticism or discrimination. They go under the radar.

Orion browser, however, doesn't use telemetry. But it's still in beta mode. But it nonetheless works fine, IMO.
 
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AlixSPQR said:
Chromium is actually open source (FOSS) and then altered into Google Chrome, Edge, Brave, Opera, et cetera. Anyone with good knowledge can check Chromium's code base. It doesn't really matter who produces the code in that sence.

But, of course, if you can't check the code yourself, then you are dependent on anyone's good word, that's true.

Still, it is obvious that some browsers uses telemetry to earn money, i.e. profit from your behaviour. I rather trust Woolyss Chromium than Brave, on my own part, in that regard.

I believe it is troublesome that a lot of people point to Google, say it's an evil corp, and are happy about that, since other browsers subsequently are being used without criticism or discrimination. They go under the radar.

Orion browser, however, doesn't use telemetry. But it s still in beta mode. But it nonetheless works fine, IMO.
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Brave is also open source. What point are you trying to make?

github.com

Brave Software

We're reinventing the browser as a user-first platform for speed, privacy, better ads, and beyond - Brave Software
github.com github.com
 
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Push the home button, take a rest.
Better luck with your hunt next time. Get a sniper 😉
 
TrancyGoose said:
A Simple question.
Anyone else sick of it? I get that it's integrated in to Mac OS and all, but so many websites, just refuse to load properly and work, despite Apple's boastings in improvements. Why is this?
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ESPN will simply not load on Safari for me, at all. On Chrome, no problem
 
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Interesting how after all these complaints about Google, Brave, Firefox, and whatever niche browser someone recommends nobody has brought up the fact you can download Chromium in its original form. The good thing about this is you remove any brand association (e.g. Google, Microsoft) yet anytime one of these companies applies a security or vulnerability fix they have to post it to the Chromium backend so you get the best of both worlds, no branding and the most compatible web experience.

Chromium Project Link (shows up weird in MR)
 
AlixSPQR said:
That is beside the point. Firefox is a Google product. Mozilla is dependent on that income. And we don't know what else they have sold out. Things we can't see or change...
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That makes no sense. By your logic, Apple is a Google product, because they also take that Google money to make Google the default search engine in Safari. Also, Firefox is open source, so it is pretty easy to see what they might be selling actually.

Cognizant. said:
Yes and Mozilla also just joined forces with Facebook because they're a garbage company. And Google is garbage. I use Brave so I can at least have web compatibility without all the Google nonsense infused into the browser.
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Ya I am not happy about that one either. My understanding, though, is Facebook is basically paying Mozilla to help them come up with something that sounds more privacy oriented. It doesn't seem like the teamup is leading to any changes in Firefox that would grant Facebook additional user data or anything.
 
SpotOnT said:
Ya I am not happy about that one either. My understanding, though, is Facebook is basically paying Mozilla to help them come up with something that sounds more privacy oriented. It doesn't seem like the teamup is leading to any changes in Firefox that would grant Facebook additional user data or anything.
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I just have a difficult time associating Facebook/Meta with the word privacy. Nothing they do is for the sake of privacy. So it makes me wonder what the collaboration is actually about. Mozilla has also been open about deplatforming people, which goes against the very core of what they were originally about. They've lost their way.
 
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