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Anyone else sick of Safari?

SpotOnT said:
By your logic, Apple is a Google product, because they also take that Google money to make Google the default search engine in Safari.
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It's not about logic, it's about money. Apple earns almost infinitely more on other things, Mozilla does not. The only way for Mozilla to keep existing is Google's money. Therefore Firefox is a Google product.
But I would agree that Safari is a Google product. Google's money is the main reason Apple keeps developing Safari.
 
AlixSPQR said:
It's not about logic, it's about money. Apple earns almost infinitely more on other things, Mozilla does not. The only way for Mozilla to keep existing is Google's money. Therefore Firefox is a Google product.
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Google has paid Apple over 15 billion dollars to keep Google as the default search engine. Apple is supposedly all about privacy, and yet they take money to keep the most privacy-invasive search engine on the planet as the default on iOS and macOS. It's irrelevant that Google is keeping Mozilla afloat. The privacy issue should concern you. Yes, you can change the search engine, just like you can in Mozilla, but that is not the point. Firefox isn't a Google product just because they make less money than Apple. That doesn't make any sense. They're both taking large sums of money from Google to keep Google as the default search engine. You can also disable all things Google on both platforms fairly easily.
 
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Cognizant. said:
I just have a difficult time associating Facebook/Meta with the word privacy. Nothing they do is for the sake of privacy. So it makes me wonder what the collaboration is actually about. Mozilla has also been open about deplatforming people, which goes against the very core of what they were originally about. They've lost their way.
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My honest guess is either a) Facebook is looking for something that sounds more privacy focused that they can market or b) they are trying to understand better how they can collect user data from new IPA proposals. I think they were surprised by how popular Apple's limited data sharing has been with users. I really didn't expect so many iPhone user to opt out of tracking myself (96% of iOS 14 users according to arstechnica).

As for Mozilla deplatforming, ya these are crummy times. Those who used to call for free speech are now worried that openness is being exploited for authoritarian purposes. I expect ideals of free speech will continue to become less attractive for most companies. Even if Musk buys Twitter etc.
 
My problem with Safari is mainly with it's cloud features.

Cloud tabs sync doesn't work right. Bookmarks sync doesn't work right. Tab groups sync doesn't work right.
 
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nvmls said:
Old but gold.

My tinfoil theory is, they pretend they care, but it's very clear they really don't, as long as they keep selling.
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Apple is keeping Safari only because they get many billions of dollars from Google (default search engine). That's my tinfoil theory. At least, wish it were only that.
 
lcubed said:
that's because many websites are optimized for Internet Explorer which is finally officially EOL
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That is no longer true. Unless you talk company internal and governmental dinosaurs, most of them these days are made for Chrome and there are some JavaScript and CSS features that are not universally supported.

And if not tested against all browsers sites can stop functioning once Safari encounters a JavaScript line that it can’t handle. That’s how JavaScript is done - fail silently.

And for CSS you may not see elements or stuff is hidden behind others if a CSS role is not supported.
 
Kuckuckstein said:
That is no longer true. Unless you talk company internal and governmental dinosaurs, most of them these days are made for Chrome and there are some JavaScript and CSS features that are not universally supported.

And if not tested against all browsers sites can stop functioning once Safari encounters a JavaScript line that it can’t handle. That’s how JavaScript is done - fail silently.

And for CSS you may not see elements or stuff is hidden behind others if a CSS role is not supported.
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You are correct. Roughly 90% of the internet uses Chrome or a Chromium-based browser. Microsoft has even ditched anything related to IE entirely and their Edge browser is literally Chromium now. They caved in. Nobody is coding anything for IE anymore. Although I hate the fact that Google has taken over the entire internet's web standards, I wish Apple would just Chromium up Safari so we could use Chrome extensions instead of the half-baked garbage that comes from their incredibly disorganized Safari extension section of the App Store. It's hard to even find any worthwhile extensions because they just threw everything into a big, messy box and you just gotta figure it out for yourself.
 
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It's absolutely criminal that Safari does not allow custom search engines. Not sure if this is part of the apple-google-firefox deal but it must breach competitive laws.
 
It’s like we reverted to 2003 with browsers. Safari went from fine for everything I used to last year not working with everything. I made like it was 2005 and download Firefox. Haven’t had a problem since. Apple needs to open up keychain access and some other features to other browsers. Safari just isn’t as good as it once was. I’m not going to blame web devs as the whole point of the web is universal standards.
 
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No. I’ve tried most of the main browsers and I prefer safari. Imagine back in the day when I still used windows and safari was available on windows I used safari as my default browser.
 
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SpotOnT said:
I don't use the default search engine....
I mean it literally takes less than two seconds to go into preferences in Firefox and change that to DuckDuckGo. Same for Safari.
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If I may add, if you go to the search bar (on the mac) when it's empty and click on the magnifying glass symbol, a drop down list of all your available search engines will appear so you can actually change without even going into preferences.
 
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Cognizant. said:
If a site is not working in Brave, it's because you need to turn off fingerprinting for that website. I have no issues with Googe's suite of products in Brave. It's literally Chromium. Disable Brave's built in ad blocking features if there are compatibility issues. I generally turn off all of Brave's built in ad blocking because it breaks sites and use AdGuard instead.
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If I’m on a website and it becomes apparent that ad/tracker blocking functionality is rendering it unusable, that’s a good sign that I don’t want to be on that website, if I have a choice in the matter.
 
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erikkfi said:
All I want is standard extension support. No more of these silly extensions that have to run as apps in my menu bar on macOS.
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Actually yeah, you download Adguard for Safari, and it still lives in the menubar, what's up with that?
 
jonblatho said:
If I’m on a website and it becomes apparent that ad/tracker blocking functionality is rendering it unusable, that’s a good sign that I don’t want to be on that website, if I have a choice in the matter.
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I’m saying that the built in fingerprint protection can break certain sites, but for the most part, I agree with you. If tracking me is vital to the functionality of the website, I won’t go to the website anymore.
 
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No problems with Safari. I heard of people watching TV in a browser having problems with some vendors, but I don't watch TV so I guess I never ran in to that problem. Also, if Youtube can work in Safari, so can everyone else so it seems more like a skill issue at the TV vendor than a Safari issue.

When writing software for browsers it does seem that Safari lags behind the hot new standards a bit, but it's not like you need every shiny new thing all day every day to build good web apps.

I do keep Chrome, Chromium and FireFox in my Dock, but that's mostly a lazy way of having multiple browsing profiles so you can for example have multiple Google workspaces, Azure tenants and AWS accounts open at the same time without feeding keys and private data into some random developer's browser extension.
 
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