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APFS support enabled in High Sierra for cMP
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two things apple should do:
- enable NVME boot
- enable 5GT/sec on all GPUS
thats my wish list.
- enable NVME boot
- enable 5GT/sec on all GPUS
thats my wish list.
Apple would have to commit the time coding that AND testing that to make sure they don't break anything. For a machine they haven't sold in a half decade. That's assuming the firmware even has capacity for those features, which we don't even know.
Better for them to take that time and put it into the new Mac Pro.
opening the DP7 installer app in Sierra i dont get prompted for one. (im running the latest High sierra firmware)
Yeah you are probably right, but still it sure would be nice for people who still use this hardware. Personally I wouldn’t see any reason to invest in newer hardware if we had these features and hevc vp9 decoding on GPUs.
Firmware updates are extremely dangerous. Breaking something could mean a large batch of machines that come back into the Apple store, and they could be unbootable. It's why you rarely see firmware updates add features, not worth the risks. Worth it for critical bug fixes though.
But there have literally been firmware bugs in the past where Apple would rather have people bring machines in and replace the board rather than do the update over the web.
Probably also why there was never a supported 4,1 to 5,1 firmware update.
An APFS update for the Mac Pro 5,1 is actually a huge favor from Apple. They could have just left the 5,1 on HFS. But I imagine it's causing a lot of trouble for the Mac Pro team.
No, the new 5.1 Firmware has been a MUST for Apple, after the "performance my ass" nMP fiasco, and the backlash on the last MacBook Pro ('16-'17)
They needed to keep people quiet until iMac Pro and Mac Pro
While we still can and should somewhat thank them, anything else than that would have been a bad move, marketing wise.
On another note, I can't see why releasing a new firmware, after seven years, only for APFS.
I believe we are missing something or that they might include something in the last release. Still far fetched though
Honestly If apple was that worried people would break their Mac Pro they would of never made a new firmware. What might be happening is that the chip that holds the firmware maybe doesn't have enough space for other features or maybe Apple wants to make sure that people want to upgrade by not making the Mac Pro as good as it could be. Just imagine we had NVME, 5GT/sec Graphics, Hardware HEVC vp9 decoding why would I upgrade ? The Mac Pro with a 6 core xeon is still a really good machine, its a shame that apple cripples it.
Like I said, adding anything else is too high risk. APFS is to keep Mac Pro users happy, but they don't want to go the other way and break a bunch of Mac Pros. Or if they add NVMe they don't want users complaining because their specific card doesn't work. And again, this all assumes that the actual flash ROM on the board is large enough to hold all these features (it may not be.)
Given the technical risk, everyone is really super lucky Apple wants to keep Mac Pro users happy enough by adding APFS. Something like NVMe is not as simple as Apple just copying and pasting code in. It probably requires a brand new implementation no one wants to write.
Again, all time Apple would rather put into a new Mac Pro. If the 2012 Mac Pro didn't support NVMe yesterday not that many people are going to be upset if it doesn't support it tomorrow. If they upgrade to High Sierra which has APFS and they can't use it they might be more mad.
I don't think everyone asking for NVMe understands how big of a deal that would be to add. Something like APFS is risky, but is a lot lot smaller of a job.
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That's exactly why I'm saying how lucky everyone is that they added APFS support. They could have very easily kept the 5,1 at HFS.
I don't think Apple really worry about breaking our Mac, especially the cMP. There are only very few cMP out there if compare to all the Macbooks (including Air, Pro...). And even fewer will upgrade to HS and perform the firmware upgrade.
If they have concern about that, they won't update the Macbook's firmware just to make it boot with black screen and white Apple. Clearly they don't worry about damage anything. And willing to do some change that's completely provide zero extra function.
And TBH, I still hasn't heard a single case that accidentally kill a Mac because of firmware flashing.
If they have concern about that, they won't update the Macbook's firmware just to make it boot with black screen and white Apple. Clearly they don't worry about damage anything. And willing to do some change that's completely provide zero extra function.
And TBH, I still hasn't heard a single case that accidentally kill a Mac because of firmware flashing.
It happens. That's why everytime there is a firmware update you get warnings about not restarting the machine in the middle of it or not pulling power... Not only could there be bugs, but there is the user doing something stupid too.
When Apple updated iOS to APFS they didn't just throw it out there. Every single release of iOS 10 did a test APFS conversion and then rolled it back to look for problems. Apple literally did the APFS conversion process on hundreds of millions of devices at least a half dozen times before they decided it was ready.
I think you all are dramatically underestimating how seriously Apple takes updating things that could cause massive breakage. APFS is a relatively easy thing to add and we've already have three firmwares, with some bugs already being fixed. This isn't easy stuff even for a simple feature.
Stuff like changing the boot screen color is pretty small potatoes (it's just a variable in EFI, you can even set it in your NVRAM to whatever you want as a user. So it's barely a change.) And large chunks of that is in the EFI boot loader on your hard disk, not in the firmware.
Welcome to the beta! Anyway, did you try boot into recovery partition and reinstall HS?
LOL. I'd been running DP5 and DP6 with no problems. APFS conversion went fine. Mac Pro 5,1 firmware installed fine both times.
DP7 update killed my OS
Will try recovery when I get home.
LOL. I'd been running DP5 and DP6 with no problems. APFS conversion went fine. Mac Pro 5,1 firmware installed fine both times.
DP7 update killed my OS
Will try recovery when I get home.
Damn almost did the same thing today before leaving for work. I’m not on APFS though yet so lets see. I may just do a full installer instead to be safe.
@Squuiid please let me know how it goes, ill wait for your feedback before I proceed with App Store update
This time TRIM can be enabled with the trim force command.
Had to reinstall. Repair in disk utility was useless unfortunately.
However, all was as I had left it once the reinstall completed. Oh, and as others have reported, TRIM now works fine.
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Really, the would be great, great news!This time TRIM can be enabled with the trim force command.
We get 5GT/s graphics on the vast majority of the modern cards available
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Like natively in the sense you don't have to enable it manually, or in the sense that they put back the trimforce command?