App Library: I hate it

[C DM]

What about not being able to install it because your computer cannot update to a recent system and iTunes doesnt let you update it? How to be able to do a restore of a backup in case you need it ?

That's kind of different and not really on the context of this particular discussion it would seem.

 

[C DM]

I assume Apple has final call on how things are categorised in the App store and therefore in this new Library so it seems that Apple's take on logical categories is illogical to many of their customers. But again, Apple does not care about the customers as long as the $$$ continue to roll in.

Well, there are things that are said about assumptions. (And the categorization aspect of this new feature has been commented on in a number of replies.)

 

[AZhappyjack]

No way, man. Apple should not make it an obligation for iOS users.

There must be a turn off option for App Library. It must be optional.

Why should I be forced by Apple to keep a feature, that I am not using on my phone, turned on? Nonsense!

MUST? Apple doesn't HAVE to do anything.

What is "nonsense" is expecting a multi-trillion dollar company to comply to your wishes by throwing a temper tantrum.

 

[Mr. Heckles]

I didn’t care for the App Library until I read this. The concept is actually a good idea.

Oh my god this is awful. I hate my phone now.

is it possible to downgrade to iOS13?

dramatic much? Just don’t use it.

 

[Zazoh]

If any of you are old enough to remember going to a library and trying to find a book without using the card catalog, you’ll understand calling it a library was a smart move. Sometimes the organization makes sense, but if a publisher fudges the categorization, the organization (classification) isn’t intuitive. In addition the folders move, based on frequency of usage of the apps therein.

Thus, one can’t rely on muscle memory to locate things. Coming from Android, this is not like Android. Only the alphabetical aspect is. But even then, finding my bank app, under MYBranch doesn’t help either.

The folder size is cool, wish I could use those in my own organization of apps.

Apple tried, they are making progress and will continue to evolve. We didn’t have folders when this all started. I personally categorize my own apps, but most often pull up an app by searching, as typing one letter usually br8ngs the app up.

 

[katbel]

That's kind of different and not really on the context of this particular discussion it would seem.

Like your comment? I was answering to a person comment explaining that sometime there are more than one reason if you do not update , this is why.

 

[Sam in SoCal]

Great avatar. The Donald muzzling you and you seem to be a supporter. Real nonsense is expecting intelligent people in the country to listen to Trump.

This isn’t a political thread and you’re also making assumptions. If I were you I would delete that post

 

[Pagemakers]

I think the idea is to not think so much about organising them. If you consider that the target audience are the users who just have page after page of random apps and never got round to sorting them out, I doubt they are going to bother renaming or rearranging the folders either.

So I imagine Apple's intent is more along the lines of - just trust us to organise the apps in a manner that will be better than whatever system you have been using all along, which I believe is going to be true for the majority of users.

But those people still know where THEIR apps are. It’s their phone and they use it every day.

Now they have given their phone to a stranger and said guess how I’d like my stuff organised. Oh and if you don’t like it - tough you can’t change any of it.

 

[myrtlebee]

Different people use things differently. For those that manage things themselves all of that is still there. For those that don't, the automatic options are there to basically to take care of various things without them giving much thought to those things.

I know that. You don't need to state the obvious - I was speaking for myself, what I don't like, and why.

 

[AZhappyjack]

But those people still know where THEIR apps are. It’s their phone and they use it every day.

This. My wife's home screens are a absolute mess - a miss-mash of icons spread across about 5 pages... there is no rhyme or reason to where any given icon is placed... but she can go right to the exact location of any icon at any time. Makes me crazy, but it works for her... Mine is laid out logically (for me), and likewise, I can navigate quickly to any given app icon... there is a lot to be said for muscle memory.

BTW, neither of us cares for the App Library, but both are fine just ignoring it. We don't need an option to turn it off, hide it or make it go away. Period.

 

[Pagemakers]

This. My wife's home screens are a absolute mess - a miss-mash of icons spread across about 5 pages... there is no rhyme or reason to where any given icon is placed... but she can go right to the exact location of any icon at any time. Makes me crazy, but it works for her... Mine is laid out logically (for me), and likewise, I can navigate quickly to any given app icon... there is a lot to be said for muscle memory.

BTW, neither of us cares for the App Library, but both are fine just ignoring it. We don't need an option to turn it off, hide it or make it go away. Period.

Just like your wife’s layout drives you crazy, the fact you can’t turn off the App Library drives millions of other users crazy. Period.

 

[Roachjt]

I find the widget and app library pointless unless I can create and edit the widgets. I appreciate that I can just ignore it but I’ve reverted to 13.7 for the time being.

 

[CTHarrryH]

My issue is finding things in the folders Apple created. The app I use most in any category seems to be in the lower right group area so I have to press on that to see all the apps and then select. Also some grouping doesn't make sense to me. So for now I'm leaving my screens alone since I know where my apps are.
Hoping in the future Apple lets you organize within each group so most used are visible - would also like to put things in different folders.
For now I don't think I'll use.
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I know this has been discussed but if you don't like and don't like widgets just don't use - why go back to 13?

 

[AZhappyjack]

Just like your wife’s layout drives you crazy, the fact you can’t turn off the App Library drives millions of other users crazy. Period.

My first reaction was to say "it's not the same thing", but actually it is exactly the same.

I don't have to use my wife's phone, so her layout doesn't bother me. No one has to use the App Library, and, therefore, if you don't use the App Library, why does it matter? just don't use it. Period.

It's like people don't have the ability to NOT swipe past their last home page.

 

[ipedro]

I really don’t get this “feature.” It’s just another Home Screen with my apps organized far more haphazardly than my own folders. Like Mail goes with banking apps? Google translate, stocks, and kindle all go together? Really? This is supposed to help me?

And yes, I know people will say “just don’t use it,” but that’s not the point. You can turn off Siri, screen time, Touch/Face ID, etc. We should be able to turn this off too.

It took me a while to get used to but I started noticing that the app I was looking for more often than not was right there, one tap away.

I haven’t gone in depth into it but it appears as though the folders aren’t just fixed according to their category; they’re dynamically arranged according to what Siri thinks you’ll need so that you don’t really have to open a folder, because the apps it think you’ll need are one of the three that are instantly tappable.

I’ve been using the beta for a few months but only recently started trusting the App Library. It’s becoming intuitive and I’ve started deleting folders from my main home pages (I only have 2) and increasingly trust and rely on swiping to the App Library to get to the app I’m looking for.

 

[Pagemakers]

My first reaction was to say "it's not the same thing", but actually it is exactly the same.

I don't have to use my wife's phone, so her layout doesn't bother me. No one has to use the App Library, and, therefore, if you don't use the App Library, why does it matter? just don't use it. Period.

It's like people don't have the ability to NOT swipe past their last home page.

If your phone contained 5-10 apps of unwanted bloatware what would you do? Delete it or leave it? If you couldn’t delete it would it irritate you that your £/$1000 phone was littered with crap you’ll never use?

Some people will say yes. Some will say no but an option to turn the crap off keeps everybody happy.

 

[Closingracer]

I really don’t get this “feature.” It’s just another Home Screen with my apps organized far more haphazardly than my own folders. Like Mail goes with banking apps? Google translate, stocks, and kindle all go together? Really? This is supposed to help me?

And yes, I know people will say “just don’t use it,” but that’s not the point. You can turn off Siri, screen time, Touch/Face ID, etc. We should be able to turn this off too.

It’s useful because instead of having folders for apps everywhere you can just leave them I. The library. I don’t particularly like having 6 pages of apps

 

[Closingracer]

I just don’t get the need for the App Library. If it’s just a “dumping ground” for little used apps why not just create a folder called MISC and put the apps in there.

Because I don’t want to be looking through that . It’s a cleaner look. You aren’t forced to use it.

 

[Pagemakers]

I haven’t gone in depth into it but it appears as though the folders aren’t just fixed according to their category; they’re dynamically arranged according to what Siri thinks you’ll need

If they’re dynamic and constantly move around in the library that’s even worse. Siri seldomly guesses correctly for me.

 

[AZhappyjack]

If your phone contained 5-10 apps of unwanted bloatware what would you do? Delete it or leave it? If you couldn’t delete it would it irritate you that your £/$1000 phone was littered with crap you’ll never use?

Some people will say yes. Some will say no but an option to turn the crap off keeps everybody happy.

If they could not be deleted without all the hysteria, I'd put them in folders and move them to a home screen beyond what I would regularly use/scroll to... and then I'd simply ignore them. In fact, I have a folder on a page that I don't visit labeled "AppleCrap". Works for me.

 

[ipedro]

If they’re dynamic and constantly move around in the library that’s even worse. Siri seldomly guesses correctly for me.

The apps remain in the categories they were assigned to but which ones are placed at the surface of the folder do change dynamically, whether it’s according to their frequency of use or a time pattern when they’re used or something else.

I found that once I started to learn to trust it, it has worked well.

 

[fisherking]

I find the widget and app library pointless unless I can create and edit the widgets. I appreciate that I can just ignore it but I’ve reverted to 13.7 for the time being.

you've made my point, thanks (by reverting to a previous OS instead of simply not using widgets or the app library). amazing stuff.

 

[Mr. Heckles]

you've made my point, thanks (by reverting to a previous OS instead of simply not using widgets or the app library). amazing stuff.

I find the widget and app library pointless unless I can create and edit the widgets. I appreciate that I can

I don’t get reverting back just because a person doesn’t know how not to swipe all the way to the right. I haven’t even played with the widgets until today. Up until today, my phone still looked like 13.7 for the most part. I find it funny that you rather restore your phone and set it back up instead not using the features.

 

[C DM]

But those people still know where THEIR apps are. It’s their phone and they use it every day.

Now they have given their phone to a stranger and said guess how I’d like my stuff organised. Oh and if you don’t like it - tough you can’t change any of it.

What people had they still have -- App Library didn't remove or change that.

Just like your wife’s layout drives you crazy, the fact you can’t turn off the App Library drives millions of other users crazy. Period.

Millions of users crazy? Something that shows that?

Or are we simply taking about some users not really liking or caring for its implementation many of whom simply won't use it and won't really be bothered by it much if really at all.

If your phone contained 5-10 apps of unwanted bloatware what would you do? Delete it or leave it? If you couldn’t delete it would it irritate you that your £/$1000 phone was littered with crap you’ll never use?

Some people will say yes. Some will say no but an option to turn the crap off keeps everybody happy.

It's already been like that with many things for many years that people have lived with. There are people who don't care for the Today View that has been there for years and can't be disabled, yet there isn't some sort of crazy outrage over it and somehow huge numbers of people aren't leaving Apple because of it.

Not really sure what all the extremes and absolutes are for when simply saying that some don't care about a new feature or would like it to be better is what rationally summarizes the actual reality.

 

[brentsg]

I can't keep up with the thread but I've given in.

I deleted every app that I absolutely can't live with without. All of the things that I use on occasion are gone to reduce the disaster to the degree that I can. All of my old folders and setup are gone. The stuff I use most frequently is on the home page. All the widgets have been deleted except my sleep monitoring.

Did my best to try rolling back but I can't get my Mac to recognize the stupid phone and I gave up.

If they add this to iPad I'll just be cautious to avoid updates until they add it the ability to deactivate it. I care much more about the iPad than my phone.

It's like people don't have the ability to NOT swipe past their last home page.

Part of muscle memory for me was giving a couple quick swipes to make sure on was on the last page because I knew what apps were on my last page and regardless of where I was, that got me there. This wasn't a conscious decision rather something I'd do without even thinking about it.

Well now suddenly half the time I'm staring at this useless App Library that I don't use and cannot make go away. It is pointless to force this. I'd give a couple swipes and tap an app that's no longer there. In fact something else would open.

It's great if it doesn't bother you and others but we're not all you. I don't appreciate being bothered to retrain myself because Apple decided it was necessary. There is absolutely no reason for people to be arguing that this should be forced. Adding a toggle switch wouldn't harm these people in the least. They're just in this thread because they enjoy creating conflict. Great ignore fodder tbh.