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Still play around with this as part opf the Beta testing thingy ....

Couple of updates;
  • Still don’t understand suggestions. It frequently has apps shown that I seldom use
  • Recently Added has now shrunk to 8 apps (down from 10) and three are apps I added really early on and have had for years.
  • The Big Three in each folder are not always the apps I use frequently.

Recently added includes recently updated.

The big 3 is based off Siri Suggestion, so it shows you what you use at certain times of the day. So you might have opened one of the apps at the same time of the day a free times.
 
Like the customisable Home Screen had prior to iOS 14? Where you probably already made your own categories? 🙄
I feel like I'm going around in circles here explaining this to you. I previously had custom folders before the app library was a thing, but they needed a lot of hands-on management. Then app library was introduced. I don't need both, so I got rid of my folders because I can't get rid of app library. Both solutions left something to be desired, so I'd like if Apple could fix the biggest issue with their current implementation of the app library so that it could be a more useful, functional part of the phone.
 
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Not really what this thread is about, but thanks for sharing.
And yet all of that appears to be a big part of what it's all about in this thread.
I feel like I'm going around in circles here explaining this to you. I previously had custom folders before the app library was a thing, but they needed a lot of hands-on management. Then app library was introduced. I don't need both, so I got rid of my folders because I can't get rid of app library. Both solutions left something to be desired, so I'd like if Apple could fix the biggest issue with their current implementation of the app library so that it could be a more useful, functional part of the phone.
Doesn't seem that that's how Apple sees and designed they App Library. They see it as something that's mean to work on it's own without user management. While the regular home screens are there for user management. There doesn't seem to be some sort of a middle ground where things are partially automated and partially manageable here or there.
 
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Doesn't seem that that's how Apple sees and designed they App Library. They see it as something that's mean to work on it's own without user management. While the regular home screens are there for user management. There doesn't seem to be some sort of a middle ground where things are partially automated and partially manageable here or there.
And that's the issue, it's not fully working as it is. But apparently, the simplest of fixes is unacceptable.
 
And that's the issue, it's not fully working as it is. But apparently, the simplest of fixes is unacceptable.
It's not working as you would like a feature to work. That's different from it not working correctly or being broken in some way. It seems that the way Apple has envisioned and designed the feature isn't something for the use case you (and various others) would like. The feature you would like to exist is somewhat different which Apple hasn't provided or envisioned.

Will they do it or decide to change something about that exists? Perhaps, but that is ultimately up to them and no one would really know when or if they would do it, or what exactly they would do if they even do something.
 
It's not working as you would like a feature to work. That's different from it not working correctly or being broken in some way. It seems that the way Apple has envisioned and designed the feature isn't something for the use case you (and various others) would like. The feature you would like to exist is somewhat different which Apple hasn't provided or envisioned.

Will they do it or decide to change something about that exists? Perhaps, but that is ultimately up to them and no one would really know when or if they would do it, or what exactly they would do if they even do something.
If that's the approach we're taking then why have a discussion at all? Everything is Apple has put out is technically as they intended, so we shouldn't question any of it, just sit quietly and make do no matter how simple or obvious the fixes are.

But, if that's what works for you then so be it.
 
If that's the approach we're taking then why have a discussion at all? Everything is Apple has put out is technically as they intended, so we shouldn't question any of it, just sit quietly and make do no matter how simple or obvious the fixes are.

But, if that's what works for you then so be it.
Discussions are fine, it's more about how things are presented in those discussions. What you are talking about is a somewhat different feature, and there's nothing wrong with when presented that way. When things of that nature are presented in away that say that something existing is therefore broken or it breaks something else that exists (as variety of comments have said or at the very least implied), that's somewhat different and is something that then also gets discussed.
 
I'm confused, are you agreeing with me? If the App Store is the equivalent of the book store, wouldn't downloading the app be the digital version of buying it/taking it home? That would make the app library my bookshelf, the homescreen my desk. At that point, I should be able to organise my (app) library however I choose, not be stuck with whatever arbitrary category Apple or the developer think it best fits into?

my apologies; if you don't get the point, there's no use in my repeating it (altho, here i go, lol):

apple has the app library (at least at this time) as a universal collection of your apps, which you don't control. then there are the home screens, where you can do whatever you want... just as it was before.
 
my apologies; if you don't get the point, there's no use in my repeating it (altho, here i go, lol):

apple has the app library (at least at this time) as a universal collection of your apps, which you don't control. then there are the home screens, where you can do whatever you want... just as it was before.
Your analogy doesn't really work then. But yeah, I don't think we're going to see eye-to-eye on this one so best to just leave it here.
 
I feel like I'm going around in circles here explaining this to you. I previously had custom folders before the app library was a thing, but they needed a lot of hands-on management. Then app library was introduced. I don't need both, so I got rid of my folders because I can't get rid of app library. Both solutions left something to be desired, so I'd like if Apple could fix the biggest issue with their current implementation of the app library so that it could be a more useful, functional part of the phone.

So you want something that is automated, as sorting it is too much work, but then you want to manually sort it anyway, replicating what you had before the App Library. Got it.

My 14 year old nephew understand what the App Library is for and how it works, and explained it to his 12 year old brother, who said that he didn’t need it, and he didn’t throw a tantrum about it it being there, unlike some people in this thread. 🙄
 
Yeah I believe the developer categorizes the app which determines what folder it’s placed into. I usually use the search feature to find the app I’m looking for unless it’s one of the main one-click apps in the folder and it’s staring at me lol. Eh, not that serious. I’m sure developers have gotten a million requests for which folder their apps belong in and well, you can’t please everyone.

True. I suspect this annoys and hampers a lot of devs.
I have an app that is categorized as Education. I use it for some of my engineering work. I emailed the developer and his intention was for education / class work as it also contains a tutorial. It is a case of use vs intent. They can differ significantly. This is one aspect I currently see as a serious limitation regarding the App Library. Apple also limits the categories. Realistic however it is another aspect that impacts use vs intent.
I wonder how Apple will solve this or will they just let it hang.
 
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Why is this thread going on still ? Better yet why does it exist? You guys ACT like Apple forces you to use it. I have yet to see the library unless I intend to use it which means if you don’t use it then you’re not even going to notice it. The default option for new apps is to download to Home Screen still so it would work like ios13 if you hate it that much.
 
nah not really. I like the today view.

basically since iOS 14 came out ive tried every variation trying to like the App Library.

ive had my normal 5 pages of apps so its so far away. messy and I actually like the idea of hiding hardly used apps. just cant it be so they can be searched.

ive had for a good few days two pages of apps followed by every widget on half page. except they aren't half page which is daft but anyway... another story..

I even tried deleting all my apps from the Home Screen and just thought ill treat my App Library as Home Screen. see im trying! but that was really **** especially since you cant have no Home Screen.


so basically my setup now is today view, all the main widgets in smallest size. then two pages of most common apps. then App Library. I still hate the App Library but thats the best way of dealing with it.



I was just thinking, thank god they didnt bring App Library to ipadOS14 (other wise known as iOS 12) my iPad has been repurposed as its a bit old, air 2, and its cover fell apart and I cant be arsed buying another one. so I got a wee stand and it sits in the kitchen, and I deleted all apps except tv apps. so it neatly has one screen of apps on home page. the idea of having one page of apps in my order, followed by an App Library of one page worth of apps in apples order is just.......

Widgets on the Home screen do not update real time like many do on the Today screen. That is a serious limitation IMO.
After testing them, I have currently moved all widgets back to the Today screen.

iPadOS - at least you can park your todays screen as part of your Home screen and, TG, no App Library.

IMO widgets on the Home screen and the App Library aren’t bad, just more than a bit half-baked.
 
Widgets on the Home screen do not update real time like many do on the Today screen. That is a serious limitation IMO.
After testing them, I have currently moved all widgets back to the Today screen.

iPadOS - at least you can park your todays screen as part of your Home screen and, TG, no App Library.

IMO widgets on the Home screen and the App Library aren’t bad, just more than a bit half-baked.

Idk they update real time for me. Like the weather app.
 
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So you want something that is automated, as sorting it is too much work, but then you want to manually sort it anyway, replicating what you had before the App Library. Got it.

Nope, doesn't seem like you've got it at all. I want something automated, but that lets me make changes when it gets things wrong. It's really not a difficult concept to grasp, so maybe your nephew could sit you down and explain it to you.
 
Idk they update real time for me. Like the weather app.

Luck to you then!
I have found that to be far from fact. and yes, Weather does not. I find it frequently updates/corrects itself if I open the App from the Widget. Along with Stocks. and Calendar. and... I susopect most of these are snapshots that periodically refresh.
But I could be wrong.
 
I keep trying but I find it takes me longer to use App Library than just finding the apps in the old organization. Also some apps I run have similar ICONS so without app name it is also difficult.
I suspect sometime in future we will have no choice but use the library - probably a couple of years away but in the future
 
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IMO, the App Library would be phenomenal if Apple let the end user decide what folder to drop the app in. Like a drop down scrollable menu with all the pre determined folder titles as the app downloads. Similar to adding an accessory to HomeKit and the room it will be in.

On a side note, what’s the story behind pinning web pages to home screens? Before downloading iOS 14, I had a few of them (MacRumors being one). Can’t find them in any of the folders but when I type them search in search field of the App Library, they pop up.
 
Nope, doesn't seem like you've got it at all. I want something automated, but that lets me make changes when it gets things wrong. It's really not a difficult concept to grasp, so maybe your nephew could sit you down and explain it to you.

You basically repeated what I said 🤣 Also, you mean when the developers who make the apps and assign the categories they want their app to go in, get it wrong? 🙄
 
Nope, doesn't seem like you've got it at all. I want something automated, but that lets me make changes when it gets things wrong. It's really not a difficult concept to grasp, so maybe your nephew could sit you down and explain it to you.
You want a new/different feature than the one Apple envisioned and provided with the App Library in iOS 14. That's perfectly fine, it's just not what the App Library is, at least not the way Apple seems to have designed it to be. Perhaps Apple will redesign it or provide a different version of it (although with the existence of regular home screens where users can organize things on their own, like they could before, it seems like that's not that likely).
 
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