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My quick jailbreaking anecdote

I bought 3G in Paris where I was living, and my friend from the states was visiting. She ordered her 3Gs, and it was waiting for her when she got back from her vacation. Anyway, I fell asleep on the metro and left my French iPhone on the train. Long story short, I got my friend's iPhone but had to jailbreak it because I was putting a French SIM card in an American phone. I jailbroke it, hid the "stocks" and "youtube" icons, and put a picture of my fiancée on the background. How is that pirating?

I think Pika's heart is in the right place, in that I'm sure it's just frustration (and I would be, too). But it IS wrong to infer that all jailbreakers are pirates. It's unfair, and if you made similar accusations with religious/ethnic groups, you'd be beaten down instantly.
 
Sparky9292 said:
If I was an Appstore developer, I would be happy to see my app on Appulous It's free advertising!:p
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But you're not. You couldn't write an app yourself if you had to. You not only don't know what you're talking about, you obviously have no idea how utterly offensive you are spouting that crap.
 
rwilliams said:
FAIL. I've jailbroken my iPod Touch, and didn't even know until now that you could crack apps. That's because I've downloaded my apps from the App Store and paid for the ones that I liked that weren't free. I jailbroke my device to change icons, docks, the lockscreen, and other UI-related things. Your comment is absolutely ridiculous.
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people have been doing it for a long time. only reason i haven't JB'd my iphone is i need push notifications and there is a big issue with Push and JB.

Apple's problem is due to backward compatibility they put a lot of the DRM checking on the client and into the file itself and it's very easy to strip the DRM out. The new rule of offering free apps with paid content will change things and cut down on piracy
 
Sparky9292 said:
But it's NOT the same as stealing. Pika still has the original copy.

I'd say that copyright infringement is really not that evil compared to rape or murder. It's less evil than shoplifting something from a store.

When you say "steal" you feel that copyright infringement is as evil as going to steal my neighbors car, or steal all of the money in the bank.:eek:
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i've copied software since the mid 1980's because back then my parents could only afford $5 shoes once a year and even at age 10 i knew it wasn't right
 
Sparky9292 said:
Most of that is in China or Russia, so take the 95% number with a grain of salt. In addition, you don't hear EA bitching about piracy.

Just make a good game and don't worry about the 1% of the population skilled enough to JB and apply AppSync to their iPhone.
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Seriously? That is a valid argument?

EA doesn't complain, so what is your problem?

Every developer is hurt by piracy - the difference is that EA is a huge company and can more absorb the piracy hit. Don't think that they aren't bitching about it behind closed doors, or have teams that work on ways to stop it.

Piracy is stealing. Period. Software, songs, digital scrapbook kits, copying books.... all that is stealing.
 
TraceyS/FL said:
Piracy is stealing. Period. Software, songs, digital scrapbook kits, copying books.... all that is stealing.
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My argument is not that copyright infringement is wrong. I think that the punishments for it are excessive.

Do you really think a 15 year old girl should be thrown in Federal Prison for five years and $250,000 for downloading Tap Tap Revenge from Appulous?

If I go into a bank and steal $500, i"d only get about a year in prison for it.

I think "Software Piracy" is about the same as littering. It's not the same as raping a small child that you think.
 
alent1234 said:
people have been doing it for a long time. only reason i haven't JB'd my iphone is i need push notifications and there is a big issue with Push and JB.
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JB has nothing to do with push. The problem is that if you install some of the Cydia apps, yes some of them interfere with the push feature. JB'ing your phone doesn't affect operation of the phone.

There are alot of wonderful apps in Cydia. For example, the Cydia Flashlight app is better than all of the dozens of AppStore Flashlights because it prevents the iPhone from dimming.

However, there are a bunch of crazy unstable apps in Cydia as well.
 
Sparky9292 said:
JB has nothing to do with push. The problem is that if you install some of the Cydia apps, yes some of them interfere with the push feature. JB'ing your phone doesn't affect operation of the phone.

There are alot of wonderful apps in Cydia. For example, the Cydia Flashlight app is better than all of the dozens of AppStore Flashlights because it prevents the iPhone from dimming.

However, there are a bunch of crazy unstable apps in Cydia as well.
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i think the issue was that when you JB you replace the apple SSL cert with the cert of the person who made the JB software. I remember there was an article how people with JB'd phones would get strange push notifications and they had issues getting their push notifications.

since my employer shot of texting a few years ago i decided to repoint some alerts to my iphone and i need to get those right away. i use textfree lite since it's only for emergencies and i don't want to pay for a texting plan
 
alent1234 said:
i think the issue was that when you JB you replace the apple SSL cert with the cert of the person who made the JB software. I remember there was an article how people with JB'd phones would get strange push notifications and they had issues getting their push notifications.
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That has long since been fixed, I'm jailbroken solely for SBSettings (two finger swipe down on the home screen to toggle wifi, bluetooth etc) and Backgrounder for Sirius XM.

I seriously think there must be something screwy with the stats some of these developers are throwing around, 95% piracy? Come on now, the majority of people don't even know what jailbreaking is so how could that many pirate your game/app?

The problem with the app store is the early developers came out with low priced games/apps and made a KILLING so set a precedent that cheap prices are the norm where in actuality it is very difficult now to make a profit at such low prices especially if your app needs a server architecture for push notifications or whatever. It isn't cheap to build a scalable server side app nor is it cheap to run and maintain especially with the high level of availability that iPhone users demand.
 
ex-jailbreaker speaks

Well this thread certainly raises some very valid arguments. I won't talk about anything that i don't know much about...

What i find so frustrating, are the people having opinions that have no substance to 'back' it up...
It's a little bit like me advising against eating frogs legs based on what someone had told me... even though i've never eaten any frogs legs before.

Here are the facts:
  • Apple doesn't 'like' jailbreaking.
  • Jailbreaking enables the installation of applications via other routes other than the iTunes store.
  • These 'other routes' give freedom, including freedom to piracy.
  • Only SOME people choose the piracy route.

I have never pirated any apps. I own many paid apps. I don't intend on pirating apps.
I do however know for a fact that jailbreaking enables me to install functionality that is common place in a lot mobile phones on the market: E.G. Ability to turn on/off of bluetooth easily.

But i don't jailbreak now (3rd iphone - 32gb 3GS) because my previous iphone's modification 'apparently' caused issues that rendered Apple unable to repair my screen in a warranty claim and when i tried to claim on my insurance, apple kindly informed them of the invalidation of my policy (Carphone Warehouse). Not too happy about that.

So to end it all... please don't post generalist comments (JB=Piracy).

Can anyone here guarantee that the jailbreak process itself doesn't harm the iphone e.g. signal strength/drop-outs, battery length etc.
 
tatum said:
Well this thread certainly raises some very valid arguments. I won't talk about anything that i don't know much about...

What i find so frustrating, are the people having opinions that have no substance to 'back' it up...
It's a little bit like me advising against eating frogs legs based on what someone had told me... even though i've never eaten any frogs legs before.

Here are the facts:
  • Apple doesn't 'like' jailbreaking.
  • Jailbreaking enables the installation of applications via other routes other than the iTunes store.
  • These 'other routes' give freedom, including freedom to piracy.
  • Only SOME people choose the piracy route.

I have never pirated any apps. I own many paid apps. I don't intend on pirating apps.
I do however know for a fact that jailbreaking enables me to install functionality that is common place in a lot mobile phones on the market: E.G. Ability to turn on/off of bluetooth easily.

But i don't jailbreak now (3rd iphone - 32gb 3GS) because my previous iphone's modification 'apparently' caused issues that rendered Apple unable to repair my screen in a warranty claim and when i tried to claim on my insurance, apple kindly informed them of the invalidation of my policy (Carphone Warehouse). Not too happy about that.

So to end it all... please don't post generalist comments (JB=Piracy).

Can anyone here guarantee that the jailbreak process itself doesn't harm the iphone e.g. signal strength/drop-outs, battery length etc.
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I have been JailBreaking Since i got a ipod touch when they first came out and yeah battery drains a lil bit more but it depends what your doing like bagroudner etc. Overall I find Jailbreaking Great for customizing etc and other handy tools etc and i have never had a problem with it at all.
 
tatum said:
So to end it all... please don't post generalist comments (JB=Piracy).

Can anyone here guarantee that the jailbreak process itself doesn't harm the iphone e.g. signal strength/drop-outs, battery length etc.
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Jailbreaking your iPhone doesn't affect the operation at all. The problem is with all of the Cydia apps. Since Cydia apps don't have the limits that AppStore apps do, they can do powerful things with your phone. At the same time, they can screw up settings on your phone as well.

All of this can always be fixed by restoring your iPhone to factory defaults.
 
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