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Apple Addresses MacBook Pro Issues
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anubis said:
I, too, agree with this to some extent. I do not believe that there is anything wrong with how hot the MacBook Pros get. I sold a PowerBook G4 15" 1GHz in order to make room for my MBP, and I honestly expected the computer to be completely unuseable on my lap because of the Core Duo and slightly thinner design.
I really think people are just bitching because of the recent "stigma" that has been going around about Rev. A Apple products. Rev. A is no less or more buggy than any other Rev. of a product. Each time new features, a slight design tweak, or just updates in general can cause problems that did not exist in the Rev. previous to the new one.
I say get over it unless there is something explicitly wrong with your Mac.
Mechcozmo said:
I am almost certain that the way I interpreted your post is not exactly what you had in mind
Replacement
It took 4 logic boards and a few nasty phone calls and lots of pain and agony before I got my ibook G3 replaced. I don't see apple giving people a new macbook pro just because it makes some noise.
It took 4 logic boards and a few nasty phone calls and lots of pain and agony before I got my ibook G3 replaced. I don't see apple giving people a new macbook pro just because it makes some noise.
Wait...... for revision M
With this kind of teething problems, I am waiting for it to grow up.... maybe into puberty before I get one.... revision M? sometime next few months...
With this kind of teething problems, I am waiting for it to grow up.... maybe into puberty before I get one.... revision M? sometime next few months...
The MacBook Pro I bought the sunday before last appears to be a Rev D since the serial is W8611. The onlt thing that I seem to have issues with is the noise from the CPU. If I start photobooth and minimize, isight preview under iChat or turn off the second CPU with CHUD it stops.
I guess I'm lucky! But the heat is a bit much when it is charging mostly in the center and on the left side my the power port. I don't think they are replacing units for making the CPU noise. If they are I would like to get rid of it, but I have had far worse like my Mirror Mac with first PSU fans from hell.
I guess I'm lucky! But the heat is a bit much when it is charging mostly in the center and on the left side my the power port. I don't think they are replacing units for making the CPU noise. If they are I would like to get rid of it, but I have had far worse like my Mirror Mac with first PSU fans from hell.
Malcster said:
Maybe they'll send us a new one. Mine is a W8609 and has been in repair since last week.
I think people are making mountains out of molehills. People are spazing out over minimal stuff. I have a W12 and when I got it the heat thing was the only thing that people had spoke of that appeared. I have used the macbook in my lap wearing nothing but boxers and it was not a problem. However, the row of metal above the F keys is rather hot. I can touch it and keep my hand there but it is warm.
The whining sound that people have spoke of did become an issue on my laptop about 2 days after I got it. It may have been there the whole time but I never noticed it. It is kinda sad that I have to do this, but I have to fix it everytime I restart the computer (putting it to sleep doesn't require a fix again). to stop the hum all I have to do is open dashboard, open the mirror widget and close it. The sound goes away and stays gone until I restart. No clue why this works but it does. A better fix would be if someone could figure out what in the mirror widget causes the sound to stop. Then create a program to run when the computer starts up.
Anyway, this is a great laptop and runs wonderfully. I use it to run the Adobe and Macromedia apps and it runs them just fine (even with more than one of the apps open). If you were looking to buy one of these laptops please ignore the people freaking out. Its a great laptop and will serve you well I'm sure. Its not perfect, but neither will the next release be. (whenever that happens... I see them releasing all the rest (at least most) of the intel line before revising the mbps). That's my 2 cents, so take it as that everyone.
The whining sound that people have spoke of did become an issue on my laptop about 2 days after I got it. It may have been there the whole time but I never noticed it. It is kinda sad that I have to do this, but I have to fix it everytime I restart the computer (putting it to sleep doesn't require a fix again). to stop the hum all I have to do is open dashboard, open the mirror widget and close it. The sound goes away and stays gone until I restart. No clue why this works but it does. A better fix would be if someone could figure out what in the mirror widget causes the sound to stop. Then create a program to run when the computer starts up.
Anyway, this is a great laptop and runs wonderfully. I use it to run the Adobe and Macromedia apps and it runs them just fine (even with more than one of the apps open). If you were looking to buy one of these laptops please ignore the people freaking out. Its a great laptop and will serve you well I'm sure. Its not perfect, but neither will the next release be. (whenever that happens... I see them releasing all the rest (at least most) of the intel line before revising the mbps). That's my 2 cents, so take it as that everyone.
Am I the eldest here??
I have a W8607, only problem I've had thus far is the noitorious screen whine if its not on zero-bars or max. brightness. I've experienced the processor whine a couple odd times, but not just after restarts/reboots/etc. but the mirror widget trick has worked the 2-3 times I've ran into it over the past month and a half. Those are the only noise problems I'm aware of, louder then my Mac Mini but have no idea how it compared to a PowerBook. Other then the LCD whine, I've been way more then satisfied, sure battery is less then stellar but I've learned to live with that and hoping someday higher capacity batteries are made/sold that can juice it past 4 hours. Currently get about 2.5-3.5 depending on factors, have seen 4+ hours on the battery estimator but never actually got that much life so far. Do I have the oldest MacBook? So far I haven't seen any other younger then the W8608's... Also I read that the screen problem might be able to be fixed by a firmware update, but if that's not the case should I try to contact applecare? I've been hessitating just incase they do address/fix the problem in a firmware update so I don't have to be without it for 10+ days like some people are reporting... Um, help?
I have a W8607, only problem I've had thus far is the noitorious screen whine if its not on zero-bars or max. brightness. I've experienced the processor whine a couple odd times, but not just after restarts/reboots/etc. but the mirror widget trick has worked the 2-3 times I've ran into it over the past month and a half. Those are the only noise problems I'm aware of, louder then my Mac Mini but have no idea how it compared to a PowerBook. Other then the LCD whine, I've been way more then satisfied, sure battery is less then stellar but I've learned to live with that and hoping someday higher capacity batteries are made/sold that can juice it past 4 hours. Currently get about 2.5-3.5 depending on factors, have seen 4+ hours on the battery estimator but never actually got that much life so far. Do I have the oldest MacBook? So far I haven't seen any other younger then the W8608's... Also I read that the screen problem might be able to be fixed by a firmware update, but if that's not the case should I try to contact applecare? I've been hessitating just incase they do address/fix the problem in a firmware update so I don't have to be without it for 10+ days like some people are reporting... Um, help?
I have a W8613 (arrived this past Thursday) and it is not overly hot and I'm one to use it in bed (so it's on my lap or my sheets, etc.). Anyone coming from iBooks (like me) or perhaps even Wintel laptops will notice that the MBP is hotter than others, but it's also a helluva lot more powerful! And, as others have mentioned, the aluminum frame dissipates heat, which, it seems, would yield better battery life, etc.
However, I do hear that annoying whine... although I'm not sure how bad it is compared to others. It's more of a high-pitched buzz; very soft but still irritating. I found that the MagicNoiseKiller app helps, but not always. Turning off the second core ALWAYS helps, but then again, i bought a dual-core MBP, so how useful is that?! I'm thinking of exchanging or returning this if the noise persists... not suitable for a $2k laptop.
However, I do hear that annoying whine... although I'm not sure how bad it is compared to others. It's more of a high-pitched buzz; very soft but still irritating. I found that the MagicNoiseKiller app helps, but not always. Turning off the second core ALWAYS helps, but then again, i bought a dual-core MBP, so how useful is that?! I'm thinking of exchanging or returning this if the noise persists... not suitable for a $2k laptop.
Better Sooner Than Later - This Makes Me Want To Wait Even Longer
I just read from a 2.17 GHz MacBook Pro owner that they are nowhere near 4x faster than the last 1.67 GHz G4's. He says only iPhoto may be 4x faster but that all the rest are running only a little faster - not even 2x faster.
These quiet revisions are the kind of thing that makes me want to simply wait out this year for at least the second version of the 17" MacBook Pro at the soonest and more likely after MacWorld SF when both Leopard and iLife '07 ship with it.
Boy do I love my Quad. Makes a great word processing station.
I just read from a 2.17 GHz MacBook Pro owner that they are nowhere near 4x faster than the last 1.67 GHz G4's. He says only iPhoto may be 4x faster but that all the rest are running only a little faster - not even 2x faster.
These quiet revisions are the kind of thing that makes me want to simply wait out this year for at least the second version of the 17" MacBook Pro at the soonest and more likely after MacWorld SF when both Leopard and iLife '07 ship with it.
Boy do I love my Quad. Makes a great word processing station.
My 2.16 Cents...
Well I can't shoot that down but I will say this much from my own personal experience. Compared to my mini (see signature) my MBP (see signature again) beats it quite easily in handbrake encoding, about 2-3 times faster (aka 50-70 FPS oppose to 10-30). As for iTunes, I often get 20x+ encoding oppose to the measly 10-or-so I got with my mini. I agree that outside of processes that use both cores well, such as the encoding ones I mentioned above, it's not much faster. iPhoto is faster, but it was bearable on my mini to begin with. iMovie on the other hand was bearable until I upgraded to iLife 06 then it became choppy and unbearable, but runs smooth and way faster (it feels at least 2 times faster) then my mac mini. That being said, the Mini was only a 1.42 processor with a bad graphics card and only a gig of ram. Suffice to say the MBP's should run 2 times or faster then any iBook including the current ones, I don't know how it would stack up with a last revision 1.67 Powerbook with 2 gigs of ram, 7200 HD, and a 128 Radeon 9700. Of course emulation is worse on my MBP then it was on my mini. With adobe applications it's noticible, with Microsoft - havent' noticed it yet. Using Rosetta, I'd wager the top-end PowerBook with be twice as fast in non-native applications. In all fairness though, I think you'd find the MBP being twice as fast in other native applications that use both cores. Lastly, I've heard/read that universal programs have not been optimized yet for the dual core chips hence why you see the current dual-core 2 GHZ G5's outperforming them. Sure there's probably other factors involved, but I've read that maybe with further optimization they could reach about the same performance. Then the question becomes, is a dual-core 2.0 GHZ G5 PowerMac faster, better performer, etc. then a 1.67 Ghz G4 15" PowerBook given same hard drive, ram, graphics card, etc. specs?
Multimedia said:I just read from a 2.17 GHz MacBook Pro owner that they are nowhere near 4x faster than the last 1.67 GHz G4's. He says only iPhoto may be 4x faster but that all the rest are running only a little faster - not even 2x faster.
These quiet revisions are the kind of thing that makes me want to simply wait out this year for at least the second version of the 17" MacBook Pro at the soonest and more likely after MacWorld SF when both Leopard and iLife '07 ship with it.
Boy do I love my Quad. Makes a great word processing station.
Well I can't shoot that down but I will say this much from my own personal experience. Compared to my mini (see signature) my MBP (see signature again) beats it quite easily in handbrake encoding, about 2-3 times faster (aka 50-70 FPS oppose to 10-30). As for iTunes, I often get 20x+ encoding oppose to the measly 10-or-so I got with my mini. I agree that outside of processes that use both cores well, such as the encoding ones I mentioned above, it's not much faster. iPhoto is faster, but it was bearable on my mini to begin with. iMovie on the other hand was bearable until I upgraded to iLife 06 then it became choppy and unbearable, but runs smooth and way faster (it feels at least 2 times faster) then my mac mini. That being said, the Mini was only a 1.42 processor with a bad graphics card and only a gig of ram. Suffice to say the MBP's should run 2 times or faster then any iBook including the current ones, I don't know how it would stack up with a last revision 1.67 Powerbook with 2 gigs of ram, 7200 HD, and a 128 Radeon 9700. Of course emulation is worse on my MBP then it was on my mini. With adobe applications it's noticible, with Microsoft - havent' noticed it yet. Using Rosetta, I'd wager the top-end PowerBook with be twice as fast in non-native applications. In all fairness though, I think you'd find the MBP being twice as fast in other native applications that use both cores. Lastly, I've heard/read that universal programs have not been optimized yet for the dual core chips hence why you see the current dual-core 2 GHZ G5's outperforming them. Sure there's probably other factors involved, but I've read that maybe with further optimization they could reach about the same performance. Then the question becomes, is a dual-core 2.0 GHZ G5 PowerMac faster, better performer, etc. then a 1.67 Ghz G4 15" PowerBook given same hard drive, ram, graphics card, etc. specs?
A little hot but good otherwise
I have a W8612 and I do not hear the wining. The case is hot on bottom and top though, but it hasn't been an issue because I use it on a desk or table. I upgraded from a broken PB TI 500 and it was about as hot.
There is one problem/feature. I think I have the special MacBook P o edition. The shiny "r" is missing underneath my display.
I have a W8612 and I do not hear the wining. The case is hot on bottom and top though, but it hasn't been an issue because I use it on a desk or table. I upgraded from a broken PB TI 500 and it was about as hot.
There is one problem/feature. I think I have the special MacBook P o edition. The shiny "r" is missing underneath my display.
Flame me if you want, but I never, ever, ever bought a Rev A anything from Apple until the first iPod, then the HD died. They replaced it lickity-split sho nuff, but I swore off the Rev A's... then the Rev A. 12" PB came out and me wanna! So, I sprung and sho nuff, hot as the fires of hell and buggy to boot. Fell again at the Rev B. iMac G5 and guess what. <-- proud owner of a Rev C replacement iMac G5.
There's a saying round some circles that Rev C. is when Apple gets the kinks worked out and I stand by that. I've just had way, way too much first hand experience with the follies of the bleeding edge of technology.
Currently the frustrated owner of a Rev C PB 12" and a Rev C iMac G5, waiting impatiently for Rev C. Intel portables.
There's a saying round some circles that Rev C. is when Apple gets the kinks worked out and I stand by that. I've just had way, way too much first hand experience with the follies of the bleeding edge of technology.
Currently the frustrated owner of a Rev C PB 12" and a Rev C iMac G5, waiting impatiently for Rev C. Intel portables.
notjustjay said:I am almost certain that the way I interpreted your post is not exactly what you had in mind
Not even going to make a pun there... no matter how tempting...CMMAK said:With this kind of teething problems, I am waiting for it to grow up.... maybe into puberty before I get one.... revision M? sometime next few months...
Wait for Preparation H. I hear that's the perfect revision to buy any product, but I've always been too eager and bought before that.
Good to see Apple is starting to get on top of things.
The temperature issue is something we will have to get used to. Apple's laptops have always run hot. The Macbook Pro is no different...
aussie_geek
The temperature issue is something we will have to get used to. Apple's laptops have always run hot. The Macbook Pro is no different...
aussie_geek
Plecky said:
I also have a W8607, but I have no issues at all. I routinely hit the mid 3hr mark on batteries and have been over the 4hr mark more than a few times (actual times). My 2GHz Core Duo MacBook Pro replaced my Rev A TI 500MHz PowerBook. So for me I'm getting better battery life with a-hell-of-a-lot-more horsepower.
DeSnousa said:I would be annoyed if I forked out so much for a fault that Apple has accepted and fixed now. They should do a recall or something
Sorry, but if you have a problem with your Mac just use your warranty period and ask for a fix/replacement...what else do you need?
R U Serious?!!!
Serial numbers starting with W8611: revision D
Serial numbers starting with W8610: revision C
Sooooo, I'm thinkin':
Serial numbers starting with W8609: revision B
Well, now I'm just confused...
MacRumors!!! A little help here please.
DailyTech.com reported that W8611's are Rev. D's and [I believe] implied that they are the latest shipping version. So is their reporting wrong, or is rcha101 wrong?
Because if rcha101 is correct, and DailyTech.com's reporting is correct, then rcha101 has a Rev. F.
mac-since-199o said:
Serial numbers starting with W8611: revision D
Serial numbers starting with W8610: revision C
Sooooo, I'm thinkin':
Serial numbers starting with W8609: revision B
rcha101 said:
Well, now I'm just confused...
MacRumors!!! A little help here please.
DailyTech.com reported that W8611's are Rev. D's and [I believe] implied that they are the latest shipping version. So is their reporting wrong, or is rcha101 wrong?
Because if rcha101 is correct, and DailyTech.com's reporting is correct, then rcha101 has a Rev. F.