Apple adds Samsung's flagship Galaxy S III, Galaxy Note to 'Galaxy Nexus' complaint

[macingman]

Apple sued Samsung over the Galaxy Nexus having universal search.

Apple won and Google/Samsung updated the Nexus to remove this feature... hurting Android customers.

Stick with the iPhone and you don't have to worry about your phone being stripped of features like you do with Android

That's the most ridiculoous patent I have ever heard. Universal search is a given. A

 

[Mac.World]

Just when I thought it couldn't get sillier.



The comments in the thread linked to that article are insane. There's one guy (Tallest Skil... I think he was banned from MR a while ago?) who's posting troll images and basically telling people who disagree with his pro-Apple BS that they're wrong because Apple is always right.

The best part? He's a moderator. Tells you a lot about that website when they have idiots like that as a mod.

I've seen more pro-Apple fanaticism in that single thread than I've seen on this entire forum. But then again, I try to avoid the iPhone forum these days...

Yep, Tallest Skil. That is the one. He is single handedly setting a torch to that place and driving people out. No one gives AppleInsider any credibility anymore anyway.

 

[G51989]

I'll say some of it's icons are... but thats hardly a reason to "Ban" a phone... definitely not a compelling selling point.

Using your Logic, many of the iOS and OSX icons look like they came straight out of Windows XP and Palm OS and Windows Mobile.

So HP and Microsoft should sue Apple for making an icon that has a function?

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There are software patents owned by Apple that they are violating, supposedly. .

Supposedly, if Apple can get these phones banned, then using that logic. The courts need to stop the Sale of...every single apple product in existence besides the desktops, because of the non FRAND patents they violated from Motorola.

This article seemed unbiased. After all, it was just statement of facts that they probably just found on MacRumors or something. But their formatting/layout is terrible. The site hurts my eyes.

Its better if you don't read Apple Insider, I stopped years ago. My brain felt better.

This isn't about what it looks like. And sure, the hardware is better (and uglier in my opinion), but the software is more important to me and all of the iOS users. The few Android users I know, including one who constantly brags about his Nexus, have been giving horror stories about syncing to their computers. Especially that Google fan who has a Nexus is having major issues. I'm not even considering an Android phone until I can just plug it into my PC and have everything sync.

That depends on the user, personally. I've had no issues with my old crappy Gingerbread phone, or my new Galaxy S3, then again my work phone is an iPhone 4S, and I have had no issues with it either, all depends on the user imo.

Personally, I feel the flagship Android phones are way way way way ahead of the iPhone and iOS. Those Windows phones blow away iOS to imo.

Though I will admit, iOS has the best virtual keyboard.

I'm tech agnostic, I buy whats best for the job, by all means, if Apple gave the next iphone better hardware, and overhauled iOS, and made it useable, ( this is from a Jelly Bean/ICS/Gingerbread guy ), I'd be all for buying another iPhone. ( I used a 3GS for quite a long time. )

 

[jjfactory]

It ends up we as consumer pay more for phones other than iPhone. Samsung is not the only loser in this battle.

 

[Southernboyj]

Using your Logic, many of the iOS and OSX icons look like they came straight out of Windows XP and Palm OS and Windows Mobile.

So HP and Microsoft should sue Apple for making an icon that has a function?

Actually read what I write before stating things. I clearly though it wasn't a very good reason. Therefore my "logic" is that nobody should be sued over icons. (I know there was more to it but that was 1 of the big things)

 

[G51989]

It ends up we as consumer pay more for phones other than iPhone. Samsung is not the only loser in this battle.

No ****, Apple is doing what Microsoft did in the 90s, they are after a 100% percent monopoly, even if you don't buy an iPhone, they still want your money.

 

[golf1410]

Actually read what I write before stating things. I clearly though it wasn't a very good reason. Therefore my "logic" is that nobody should be sued over icons. (I know there was more to it but that was 1 of the big things)

Icons were just evidences that pointed out Samsung copy Apple design. I think Samsung had intention to copy Apple and Google has warned Samsung. But Samsung took no response. Some of them that were used by Apple to claim in court room were silly such as rectangular with round conner design, icons etc. However, in the big picture, Samsung did have intention to copy Apple and I think when you guys look at a big picture. You can't refuse Samsung's intention. Jury was looking at this perspective to judge this case. You just can't refuse that Samsung did not copy Apple. I just can't say that and we all know. I am not a big fan of Apple.

 

[thewitt]

It's very simple really. I'm not sure what you guys don't understand.

Samsung used patented design concepts that Apple owns without paying royalties. Apple caught them. The court found them guilty and fined them.

Samsung can still use those illegally copied patented elements, but they need to license them from Apple - the patent holder.

No license, then they cannot use the technology.

Any device that Samsung sells with any of these 8 patented elements needs to come off the market until Samsung either redesigns them to remove those elements, or licenses them.

 

[Technarchy]

It's very simple really. I'm not sure what you guys don't understand.

Samsung used patented design concepts that Apple owns without paying royalties. Apple caught them. The court found them guilty and fined them.

Samsung can still use those illegally copied patented elements, but they need to license them from Apple - the patent holder.

No license, then they cannot use the technology.

Any device that Samsung sells with any of these 8 patented elements needs to come off the market until Samsung either redesigns them to remove those elements, or licenses them.

It is that simple. All Samsung needs to do is remove the features in question. It's not that hard. As long as Sammy insists on being belligerent then they can expect to see litigation from Apple.

Samsung now has legal precedent working against them. Now Apple has solid case law backed patents in their back pocket. Those patents are featured in Samsung products unlicensed...It wont be hard for Apple to get a legal kill shot under these conditions.

 

[ReanimationN]

This article seemed unbiased. After all, it was just statement of facts that they probably just found on MacRumors or something. But their formatting/layout is terrible. The site hurts my eyes.

The article itself is ok, the forums, however, are a festering cesspit of anything-that's-not-Apple hate. Some of the more moderate and reasonable Apple fans on there are labelled trolls and are given grief for not being as silly in their Apple love as the out-and-out Apple fanboys on there (or for not hating things not made by Apple).

 

[mcman77]

It's very simple really. I'm not sure what you guys don't understand.

I'm sorry but it is not that simple.

How many people are producing android products?

Samsung is getting sued (on top of the normal copied features like icons) for other features like pinch-to-zoom. Tap-to-zoom and other ridiculous crap like that.

Now motorola owns patents for streaming wifi to a tv, notification system and samsung own a good percentage in LTE.

These however do not apply and do not require paying royalties cause they are FRAND patents.

Load of crap if you ask me.....

 

[NbinHD]

Can't wait to see LTE on the next iPhone, hopefully, for Samsungs sake. Samsung could quite just earn there 1 Billion dollars back, and teach Apple a lesson while there at it. Its getting riduclous though, people say Samsung is failing to invent, look at the rumors and how Apple has been lately, sueing companies because they cant produce a sub-par product to Android. Also, the fact that Samsung copied with the first Galaxy device, to me, its ok. They were just getting into the smartphone market.

 

[flyguy206]

The Galaxy SIII is "hurting" Apple in terms of sales because, frankly, it is the better device and people do not consider it better because it has word completion (an "invention" that has been available in applications before the iPhone even existed), universal search (virtually no one uses this) or slide to unlock. It also doesn't looks like the iPhone at all.

I can definitely see a huge backlash towards Apple when they unveil the new iPhone and it ends up being just a taller and thinner 4S. Lot of people will hold their feet on the fire for suing the competition and trying to ban their products while not really doing much with their own phone.

Your argument does not make sense you're saying if someone copies something and the product becomes popular. The originator should not do anything to stop it. Samsung has been copying the iPhone for years just now people are getting Board with iOS and trying something new.

 

[Aegelward]

It's funny, Apple are getting away with many of the things Microsoft never did, I guess it's because Apple are the "cool kid" that everyone wants at their party while Microsoft is the "nerd" that they have to put up with at work.

Reminds you of school huh.

 

[gnasher729]

That was never in doubt and proves that Apple has evil intentions to completely stifle competition.

Wouldn't it mean that Samsung is evil by using Apple's patents without license, which they should have known since they were already being sued for using these patents in their older products?

Or does it mean that Samsung is just _stupid_ for doing this?

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Can't wait to see LTE on the next iPhone, hopefully, for Samsungs sake. Samsung could quite just earn there 1 Billion dollars back, and teach Apple a lesson while there at it. Its getting riduclous though, people say Samsung is failing to invent, look at the rumors and how Apple has been lately, sueing companies because they cant produce a sub-par product to Android. Also, the fact that Samsung copied with the first Galaxy device, to me, its ok. They were just getting into the smartphone market.

Of course they can't, since (1) all the LTE patents must be licensed under FRAND terms, and (2) Apple holds a _huge_ number of LTE patents themselves since they purchased Nortel's patent portfolio on which any Samsung LTE phone would be infringing.

And I'm truly fascinated by your logic. So Samsung keeps up with Apple by stealing Apple's IP, and Apple is the one who isn't innovating?

 

[Compile 'em all]

It's funny, Apple are getting away with many of the things Microsoft never did, I guess it's because Apple are the "cool kid" that everyone wants at their party while Microsoft is the "nerd" that they have to put up with at work.

Reminds you of school huh.

Please site examples. Thanks.

 

[KnightWRX]

And I'm truly fascinated by your logic. So Samsung keeps up with Apple by stealing Apple's IP, and Apple is the one who isn't innovating?

It's not like Apple isn't guilty of patent infringement themselves and hasn't had quite a few other alleged infringements levied against them in court. People keep talking as if this was so one side.

Anyway, these patents are not all the same ones as the ones used in the trial and this has nothing to do with design.

It will be interesting to see how the CEOs can work it out because frankly this is escalating, for both sides. Motorola now asserting non-FRAND patents against Apple, Apple going for the flagship Samsung models...

In the end, the consumer suffers.

 

[SactoGuy18]

Here's the big winner in all this: Microsoft.

Why? Because Windows Phone 8.0 has the advantages of:

1. The interface doesn't trample on any of Apple's iOS patents and copyrights.

2. Microsoft has a cross-licensing agreement with Apple for some iOS patents and copyrights.

Don't be surprised you see a plethora of Windows Phone 8.0 cellphones by this time next year because cellphone manufacturers don't want to get caught in the crossfire between Apple and Google over Android. Indeed, why do you think Samsung surprised everyone at IFA a few days ago by showing the Ativ S cellphone, essentially a Galaxy SIII modified to run Windows Phone 8.0?

 

[Oletros]

It's very simple really. I'm not sure what you guys don't understand.

Samsung used patented design concepts that Apple owns without paying royalties. Apple caught them. The court found them guilty and fined them.

Samsung can still use those illegally copied patented elements, but they need to license them from Apple - the patent holder.

No license, then they cannot use the technology.

Any device that Samsung sells with any of these 8 patented elements needs to come off the market until Samsung either redesigns them to remove those elements, or licenses them.

You know that the patents Apple is suing Samsung now are not the same that Apple used in the last trial, don't you?

Perhaps before telling others if they understand or not you have to be sure of what are you talking about

 

[G51989]

Actually read what I write before stating things. I clearly though it wasn't a very good reason. Therefore my "logic" is that nobody should be sued over icons. (I know there was more to it but that was 1 of the big things)

Ah sorry bout that, may have read your post just a bit to quickly.

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Here's the big winner in all this: Microsoft.

Why? Because Windows Phone 8.0 has the advantages of:

1. The interface doesn't trample on any of Apple's iOS patents and copyrights.

2. Microsoft has a cross-licensing agreement with Apple for some iOS patents and copyrights.

Don't be surprised you see a plethora of Windows Phone 8.0 cellphones by this time next year because cellphone manufacturers don't want to get caught in the crossfire between Apple and Google over Android. Indeed, why do you think Samsung surprised everyone at IFA a few days ago by showing the Ativ S cellphone, essentially a Galaxy SIII modified to run Windows Phone 8.0?

This. For the most part.

If the heat gets turned up to much on Samsung, I could see them going back to stock Android UIs, which as far as I know don't really infringe on Apple patents.

 

[yg17]

Right, because if I put an iPhone next to a Samsung Galaxy S3, which is gargantuan compared to the iPhone, has a UI that looks nothing like iOS, and has SAMSUNG logo above the screen, I'm not going to know which is which

 

[KnightWRX]

Here's the big winner in all this: Microsoft.

Why? Because Windows Phone 8.0 has the advantages of:

1. The interface doesn't trample on any of Apple's iOS patents and copyrights.

2. Microsoft has a cross-licensing agreement with Apple for some iOS patents and copyrights.

Don't be surprised you see a plethora of Windows Phone 8.0 cellphones by this time next year because cellphone manufacturers don't want to get caught in the crossfire between Apple and Google over Android. Indeed, why do you think Samsung surprised everyone at IFA a few days ago by showing the Ativ S cellphone, essentially a Galaxy SIII modified to run Windows Phone 8.0?

Wait, when did copyrights enter into this ? I don't think any party has yet tried to file copyright lawsuits, except Oracle and they failed miserably. Copyright infringement is a whole other beast.

Anyway, as far "Windows not trampling Apple patents", that's quite ludicrous. They have a licensing agreement, so we'll never know which patents Apple considers they are using or not, it's moot, it's not infringement when you're licensing the tech. It doesn't mean you aren't using it.

Not to mention your conclusion is flawed on a very simple basis : Windows Phone 7 adoption was not helped at all by these lawsuits. Windows Phone 8 is just another Windows Phone 7, there's really nothing that much different about it.

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Right, because if I put an iPhone next to a Samsung Galaxy S3, which is gargantuan compared to the iPhone, has a UI that looks nothing like iOS, and has SAMSUNG logo above the screen, I'm not going to know which is which

These are utility patents, not design patents or trade dress. What the phone looks like or any actual "copying" isn't required, nor is consumer confusion even an issue.

Get it right people. Apple is asserting things like "slide to unlock" (Neonode N1m ... hello ?) and other software patents against the GS3.

 

[faroZ06]

Of course they can't, since (1) all the LTE patents must be licensed under FRAND terms, and (2) Apple holds a _huge_ number of LTE patents themselves since they purchased Nortel's patent portfolio on which any Samsung LTE phone would be infringing.

And I'm truly fascinated by your logic. So Samsung keeps up with Apple by stealing Apple's IP, and Apple is the one who isn't innovating?

I think we're in the Apple-hater area. A lot of people here seem to want Apple to get sued for no reason and still believe that the lawsuit is about hardware design.

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It's funny, Apple are getting away with many of the things Microsoft never did, I guess it's because Apple are the "cool kid" that everyone wants at their party while Microsoft is the "nerd" that they have to put up with at work.

Reminds you of school huh.

At my school, the nerds are the cool kids, and the cool kids are just the losers who people find annoying.

 

[KnightWRX]

I think we're in the Apple-hater area. A lot of people here seem to want Apple to get sued for no reason and still believe that the lawsuit is about hardware design.

Don't mistake people wanting Apple and other players to compete in the market rather than by using software patents (which are an abomination in and of themselves, no matter who has them and tries to leverage them) for "Apple haters".

Don't polarize the dicussion, don't make it into an us vs them. Address the arguments, don't try to discredit the posters by pigeonholing them into some kind of Black or White competition.

If the people here hated Apple, they wouldn't own Apple products or hang out on forums dedicated to Apple news and rumors.

 

[G51989]

Don't mistake people wanting Apple and other players to compete in the market rather than by using software patents (which are an abomination in and of themselves, no matter who has them and tries to leverage them) for "Apple haters".

Don't polarize the dicussion, don't make it into an us vs them. Address the arguments, don't try to discredit the posters by pigeonholing them into some kind of Black or White competition.

If the people here hated Apple, they wouldn't own Apple products or hang out on forums dedicated to Apple news and rumors.

I don't think a lot of people hate Apple, I typically don't care about branding. But as of late, Apple's behavior as a company shows me they are not really interested in updating their software/hardware in any large way. They are more interested in getting competitors products banned and winning money in lawsuits, over patents that should have not been granted in the first place.