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Apple Announces iPhone 16e With A18 Chip and Apple Intelligence, Pricing Starts at $599

Expos of 1969 said:
The carriers must get the flagship phones extremely cheap from Apple and Samsung to make these lock in deals financially rewarding to the carrier.
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I don't know about "extremely cheap" but I think there are a variety of incentives at least some phone makers give carriers including marketing support, financing support, revenue sharing, etc.
 
webkit said:
According to Phil Schiller, Apple's head of marketing when the original SE launched in 2016, it stood for "Special Edition."
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What about the Macintosh SE? I think it also meant that, compared with the Plus. So in that case SE was better, but SE doesn’t always mean the top model in product lines. It often means a version that came out later than the original.

The later Macintosh LC stood for low cost. So calling this phone the iPhone LC would be a lie.
 
yes, outdated as it is launched. No wifi 7 to future proof it? And it says 5g but we have very little 5g in my are so does it still support 4G
 
ikramerica said:
What about the Macintosh SE? I think it also meant that, compared with the Plus.
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I don't know if Apple ever said what "SE" stood for with the Macintosh SE. I believe some theorized it stood for “System Expansion” but I'm not aware of anything official.


ikramerica said:
So in that case SE was better, but SE doesn’t always mean the top model in product lines. It often means a version that came out later than the original.
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Even within the same company/brand, model or trim names like SE, LE, LX, EX, GS, etc. can have various meanings and designations depending on product or release era.


ikramerica said:
The later Macintosh LC stood for low cost. So calling this phone the iPhone LC would be a lie.
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I wouldn't call it a lie as low cost can be relative. Given that the 16e is the lowest cost new iPhone sold by Apple right now, it could've been an appropriate name. At least more so than the Macintosh LC which wasn't the lowest cost model at the time. The Macintosh Classic was notably cheaper.
 
bhanson1 said:
yes, outdated as it is launched. No wifi 7 to future proof it?
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You really seem to be grasping for reasons not to like the 16e. The iPhone 15 was released less than a year and a half ago and up until about five months ago was being sold new by Apple starting at $829 ($230 more than the 16e) and it doesn't have Wi-Fi 7. It is still being sold new by Apple today for the lowered starting price of $729 which is $130 more than the 16e.


bhanson1 said:
And it says 5g but we have very little 5g in my are so does it still support 4G
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Yes, it supports 4G LTE.
 
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webkit said:
I don't know if Apple ever said what "SE" stood for with the Macintosh SE. I believe some theorized it stood for “System Expansion” but I'm not aware of anything official.




Even within the same company/brand, model or trim names like SE, LE, LX, EX, GS, etc. can have various meanings and designations depending on product or release era.




I wouldn't call it a lie as low cost can be relative. Given that the 16e is the lowest cost new iPhone sold by Apple right now, it could've been an appropriate name. At least more so than the Macintosh LC which wasn't the lowest cost model at the time. The Macintosh Classic was notably cheaper.
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I meant SE as in Special Edition is usually a product released after the initial product, snd it could mean better, or it could be a model that offers many popular features that aren’t always available at the sales price, leaving out features that proved less popular or necessary.

As for car trim levels, that’s a whole different ballgame. They often mean nothing other than a hierarchy within the brand.

VW used S, SE, SEL currently for non-electric models but I don’t think they represent anything other than S for Sport or Standard.
 
I'm thinking at this stage that it's worth the extra £100 for the dynamic island, an extra camera, and no apple intelligence (hello, iphone 15)
 
I think the real trick that Apple is missing here by removing a "budget" iPhone....is that they have missed an opportunity to dramatically grow their Services revenue.

The hardware cost is really only the initial down payment. Add in subscription revenue, iCloud, Apps and in-app purchases... ongoing revenue is made there.

The reception to this phone has been luke-warm (at best). Maybe "normal" people will just buy the cheapest... but if the C1 modem stumbles then this might be one to avoid.
 
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ikramerica said:
What about the Macintosh SE? I think it also meant that, compared with the Plus. So in that case SE was better, but SE doesn’t always mean the top model in product lines. It often means a version that came out later than the original.

The later Macintosh LC stood for low cost. So calling this phone the iPhone LC would be a lie.
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I think it's fair to assume that after 30 years, SE probably meant something different.

But with that Mac, SE stood for System Expansion.
 
deaglecat said:
I think the real trick that Apple is missing here by removing a "budget" iPhone....is that they have missed an opportunity to dramatically grow their Services revenue.

The hardware cost is really only the initial down payment. Add in subscription revenue, iCloud, Apps and in-app purchases... ongoing revenue is made there.

The reception to this phone has been luke-warm (at best). Maybe "normal" people will just buy the cheapest... but if the C1 modem stumbles then this might be one to avoid.
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A 5.4 inch phone with 22h of battery could have worked at 429$ (oh and you remove x2 optical zoom)
 
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mossie3 said:
I'd rather wait until the iphone 16 drops to $699 this fall and buy it for just $100 more than the 16E. But I suspect the 16 may not drop in price, and the 17 be priced at $899 to $949.
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It’s also possible Apple discontinues the 16 and 16 Plus to get more 17 and 17 Air sales. How many more sales would the 16 get if the 15 didn’t exist? That’s probably the question Tim has on his mind. The $599 price point of the 16e has laid the foundation for a $200 or $300 gap between models.
 
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turbineseaplane said:
Was SE for "super economical?"

I've never been clear on the SE name
Anyone know?
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Second Edition

A modernized re-release of the then discontinued 5S, the SE 20/22 were basically re-issues of the IP8 were the 16E on the other hand is completely new design.

At least thats what I made up in my mind many years ago. :rolleyes:
 
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