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Was disappointing. Expected at a minimum 24-48 GB RAM option. And just an M3, no Pro or Max option.
Guess I'll just make do with what I have and wait another year. Really was hoping for an all-in-one to replace my 27-inch iMAC.
 
keep saying that Apple, but it won’t make it true. It ain’t a 5K 27 inch display.

These events get more and more divorced from reality. There’s controlling the message and then there’s just being insulting. This was the most condescending event yet. Apple is incapable of just coming out and saying something. They have to imply it through careful wording that winds up coming out more like lying.

“You no longer have to deal with a SIM card.”
“This Mac Pro is a replacement for the 2019 model because it has PCI slots.”
“This 24 inch display replaces a 27 inch display.”

They just keep getting worse.
 
Was disappointing. Expected at a minimum 24-48 GB RAM option. And just an M3, no Pro or Max option.
Well, there was no solid reason to expect more than a 32GB RAM option on just an M3. And we did get a 24GB option.

We also had no solid reason, other than wishful thinking, to realistically expect M3 Pro or Max options for the 24 iMax.
 
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Just saying!

There are those of us - I'm one of them - who grew up with desktop computers with a mouse where you stored your 'programs' or 'applications' on your HDD - along with any content that you had, which was run locally.

And that to us is what a computer is.

However, now, you can get all of that in a laptop form:

Technology!

And 'younger' people see their primary computers as touch interface computers, with apps, web apps and their content on the cloud.

No doubt there are babies now who are going to grow up with their view of a computer being something that you wear on your face and interact with via gesture and voice.
Yeah I just thought it was funny. I like the iMac but I have only owned the 27" model. I work for IBM so I always use Thinkpad laptops for work. I am a big fan of the 16" MacBook Pro so I might get that this time around. Lenovo also makes a really nice AIO with a 32 inch 4k screen. Many that I work with use that if they don't have to do heavy programming like I do.

The one my coworker uses has a 13 gen core i9, 32gb of ram and Nvidia 4050 gpu. It's a nice system. For personal use I just don't really like Windows.
 
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My dad would love a 27"+ Apple Silicon iMac. I guess he'll stick with his 27" iMac another year.
 
I'm not talking about Windows machines. I have a 2019 iMac with 64GB RAM, and at any one time, 3/4 of this is full. My iMac started out with 32GB when I got it, and when I started needing more, it was an easy upgrade to double that. If this had been a "M" class machine, that would not have been possible (I guess it's kinda moot, as 8GB would have never have been enough to begin with).

Ok so you're on an intel machine, those also run very different from M series and aren't comparable. I had a top of the line i9 16 inch MacBook Pro with 64 gigs of ram in it from 2019 and my M2 series MacBook Air runs absolute circles around it and it only has 16 gigs of ram. On my M2 Air I run things like Houdini, Final Cut, Blender, Xcode, Unity, etc just fine. Something you could never do with 16 gigs of ram on an Intel machine.
 
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Do you think it will still be good in 4-5years. A reasonable life span for a product like this. I personally do not.
I do. I've been hearing "8 GB of Ram won't be good enough in 4 years" since 2015. it's almost 2025, and 8GB of Ram is still enough for general office work.
 
Something else for the 24 iMac haters to consider: Apple also put the M3 chip from the iMac in their new base model MacBook Pro. That means Apple considers it a Pro level processor for a lot of people given the base model 14 Pro could well outsell the M3 Pro and M3 Max Models.

And if tech bench and real world tests affirm M3 outperforms M1 Pro and is about the same as M2 Pro that makes the M3 iMac a very respectable machine.

It now makes sense Apple skipped M2 for the iMac and went straight to M3. Just as M1 was a game changer for Apple’s computers in moving away from Intel the M3 takes it to another level where M2 really was a stopgap move.

Big picture: in two years Apple has gained 20-50 percent performance improvement over their 2019-2920 computers and with each upgrade using successively less power to achieve it.

This is truly quite something.


So if you take performance considerations away the haters’ real criticisms boil down to: colours beyond black and grey, white bezels and not being a 27in. display.
 
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Why is thinness important
Here are a few reasons iMac thinness is important: (1) it feels more "futuristic" the thinner it becomes while increasing in capability; (2) it is less expensive to ship if also lighter in weight; (3) it is easier to move around and use in crowded labs (like in Edu use); (4) it looks better and "simpler" when used alone on a desk, especially when mounted on a good-looking VESA arm. And finally, (5) thinness seems to be in demand these days and Apple wants to be known for providing thin and highly capable all-in-one desktop computers. Just my 2c. Aloha.
 
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I would have preferred a higher RAM option of 32GB, but it’s not a deal breaker. 24GB with the new M3 will be fine. I would have liked to see the Apple logo returned to the chin. And I might have appreciated some new colour options, but that doesn’t really matter. Everything I liked about the 24 iMac is still there and the hardware is sufficiently upgraded as I hoped.
I totally agree with all that. Especially returning the Apple logo to the chin.
 
Which is all speculation stated as facts, as usual.
No it's not. It's pretty well considered opinion. I could well be wrong, but hey. Apple currently has 24", 27" and 32" displays covered. Whether individuals like what's on offer or not, is an entirely different and subjective matter. Facts are that Apple's marketing teams will have done their research, they tend to be good at that kind of thing, and they'll have decided what products will likely sell and be successful. And that's about the bottom line. Some people's inability/unwillingness to accept this is quite frankly bewildering.
 
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Was disappointing. Expected at a minimum 24-48 GB RAM option. And just an M3, no Pro or Max option.
Guess I'll just make do with what I have and wait another year. Really was hoping for an all-in-one to replace my 27-inch iMAC.
While I agree that an AIO 27" will look better than a display+Mac, I have been very happy with having replaced one of my 27" iMacs with a MacMini and an LG UltraFine 27" (on VESA mount). I was first using a MacMini M1 and then switched it out for an M2 version. I also added a 34" wide external display off to the side, and wow, what a great work station it created.
 
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After all these years, Apple should make at least one of those "standard" configurations have 16GB so they can be stocked at those retailers
For sure! I totally agree with this and the whole argument about stock configurations and retailers. Thanks for your reply.
 
And more resonable voices from people who've actually thought about things a for little more than 5 seconds, patiently explaining how actually, Apple kind of do know what they're doing and how the iMac is in fact a pretty decent little machine, that suits the needs of many people very well indeed.
For example, it’s been clear that the computer industry is moving in a mobile direction for a long time… mobile solutions outselling desktop solutions massively for years now. Every dollar spent developing anything desktop is a dollar spent developing something that ONLY an exceedingly small number of folks would even consider as a purchase. That’s just the world we live in. This is why there are options at many price points for iPads and MacBooks, but few products/price points for desktops. Some would say that’s defending Apple, but it’s really just describing the way the world is to help someone maybe stop “waiting to be disappointed by Apple”. It’s very likely a large number of people, millions even, will never buy another Mac, another reality.
 
No it's not. It's pretty well considered opinion.
Er, you're saying 2 opposite things there. It's either fact, or it's speculation/opinion.
I could well be wrong, but hey.
So it's not fact. :)

Apple currently has 24", 27" and 32" displays covered. Whether individuals like what's on offer or not, is an entirely different and subjective matter.
Of course. I don't like their 27" or 32" options, way too expensive for what you get. (currently, of course, the 27" iMac was actually decently priced) And the stands -- totally YUCK. Not an option for me.

The 24" iMac, I could actually go with that if it were spec'd a bit beefier. I need at the very least 32G of RAM, and I would prefer a Pro or Mac processor. I actually don't mind the 24" size...

Facts are that Apple's marketing teams will have done their research, they tend to be good at that kind of thing, and they'll have decided what products will likely sell and be successful. And that's about the bottom line. Some people's inability/unwillingness to accept this is quite frankly bewildering.
That's not facts at all.
 
Ok so you're on an intel machine, those also run very different from M series and aren't comparable. I had a top of the line i9 16 inch MacBook Pro with 64 gigs of ram in it from 2019 and my M2 series MacBook Air runs absolute circles around it and it only has 16 gigs of ram. On my M2 Air I run things like Houdini, Final Cut, Blender, Xcode, Unity, etc just fine. Something you could never do with 16 gigs of ram on an Intel machine.
I am heavily into virtualization. When a guest OS requires a certain amount of RAM, you had better have it available. For example, if I have two guest OSes each requiring 16GB of RAM (a very real world scenario for me), a 24GB M3 iMac isn't going to cut it.

This whole narrative about "M" Macs not requiring as much RAM as Intel Macs reminds me of when Steve Jobs used to showcase demos of PowerPC Macs trouncing Intel PCs time after time on stage. It was good theater, but really wasn't true in the real world.
 
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I am heavily into virtualization. When a guest OS requires a certain amount of RAM, you had better have it available. For example, if I have two guest OSes each requiring 16GB of RAM (a very real world scenario for me), a 24GB M3 iMac isn't going to cut it.

This whole narrative about "M" Macs not requiring as much RAM as Intel Macs reminds me of when Steve Jobs used to showcase demos of PowerPC Macs trouncing Intel PCs time after time on stage. It was good theater, but really wasn't true in the real world.

Except is is true in the real world, you can’t argue that because it’s not true in most use cases. Virtualization is a bit of a different beast but you literally can’t compare ram between the two.
 
Except is is true in the real world, you can’t argue that because it’s not true in most use cases. Virtualization is a bit of a different beast but you literally can’t compare ram between the two.
An M3 iMac won't cut if for me. In your case, if you break that super big 16GB RAM barrier, you can't expand it. That's a non-starter for me, and a rather short sighted strategy for the consumer (or rather smart one on Apple's part as it forces the user to buy a new machine).
 
Er, you're saying 2 opposite things there. It's either fact, or it's speculation/opinion.

So it's not fact. :)
I think you need to read things again, and work out where you're getting confused.

Of course. I don't like their 27" or 32" options, way too expensive for what you get. (currently, of course, the 27" iMac was actually decently priced) And the stands -- totally YUCK. Not an option for me.
That's fine. Not everything is for everyone.

The 24" iMac, I could actually go with that if it were spec'd a bit beefier. I need at the very least 32G of RAM, and I would prefer a Pro or Mac processor. I actually don't mind the 24" size...
You can buy a MacMini with 32GB memory, and a 24" display from a number of manufacturers. Or a Mac Studio or Pro with up to 192Gb memory if you really need more. Expecting Apple to make a lower cost machine with such a high spec just to suit your budget, is asking a bit much though. This is Capitalism; it's nevergoing to work in favour of the consumer.

That's not facts at all.
So you're saying that Apple's marketing team DON'T do lots of research to work out what products will be successful??

This is a revelation. Care to explain? I'm fascinated to know why this isn't the case!
 
This is a revelation. Care to explain? I'm fascinated to know why this isn't the case!
I don't need to, you are making assumptions and stating them as fact, when you can't actually do that. And besides, it's against the forum rules without some kind of proof.
 
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