No, sometimes they open small offices near universities or they buy small companies elsewhere, for example.
Or they open big offices in countries with cheap labor and/or low taxes.
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Apple Announces Plans to Build $1 Billion Campus in Austin, Texas
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Or they open big offices in countries with cheap labor and/or low taxes.
Spaceship Campus only holds 11.000 people. Apple has 90.000 employees, and apparently, they are planning to hire more.
It's like saying "so many NASA employees for so little output". How many rockets does NASA launch a year?
Apple does retail, services, software, and hardware, including SoC. For what they do, they don't have more headcount compared to their main competitors.
Yeah, too late: that already happened. The area around Parmer could be anywhere in the US. Nothing but huge retail and chain restaurants everywhere.
Before people might have said “don’t move here” because it might have still had some semblance of a unique place and they wanted to protect it; but now it truly is a “don’t move here” because there’s nothing special about it anymore.
But sure, you can still have your Austin experience. Just expect traffic even at 630 in the morning going to work, and high housing costs to live near the “cool hip Austin stuff”.
-bitter. Sorry.
And it’s not just Californians. It’s probably anywhere that has ridiculous high cost of living that drove people out to come to Austin where they could get work.
Those labs are a part of the skill set in that area that Apple needs. Remember I was initially responding to a poster asking why they don't move to Montana. Because there aren't the skilled workers and the labs etc. that Apple needs.
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Oh in that case Montana makes a lot more sense. Does Tim Cook know this?
It is not about the skills that the other employees have. It is about Apple being close to the people they need to work with.
Yes and Montana doesn't have the labs or the people with the skills to run the labs. Apple doesn't intend to import every single worker to the Austin area. There is already a reasonable supply of workers along with the labs and the infrastructure they need.
I am not going to debate the semantics any further.
It does not matter if Montana has people able to run labs if other companies do not establish them there.
Okay you win. You are absolutely right. You are ignoring what I am saying but I will gift you this as your personal victory for the day. Check your inbox for a gold star.
Ummm ? How is Apple communist? At what point ever has Apple forced anyone to buy anything ? They sell products and you are free to chose to buy or not.
Because most of the talent they’re looking to attract does not want to live in Montana. They want to live in, or near, big cities.
Isn’t that space already occupied by workers? I always wonder why so little technicians and software developers are working at Apple if you consider it is (was) the biggest tech company in the world measured by market capital. Does anyone know how many technicians and developers work at Apple when (working at their core products Macs, iPhones, iOS and MacOS) you exclude retail personal, call centers, and other services? How does that stack up to other tech companies operating in the same businesses?
This is the route of the problem for SV cost of living. There is a housing shortage, so salaries increase in an endless cycle so new engineers can afford housing there. The housing costs go up so salaries go up. Because salaries have gone up the cost of housing goes up. And on and on.
They need to be building upward. The vast majority of the valley is still made of up single family homes. They need to construct more apartment buildings to allow for a denser population. The problem is home owners don’t want anything done that they think could negatively affect their property value so they fight any new housing construction tooth and nail. There needs to be some kind of reform to force new housing construction but where would this even come from?
Most work in retail and call centers. I’m curious how many of them are engineers, software developers.
Profits is a very different thing as output in hardware or software. Compared to that I also wonder why a company with so little things to focus on isn’t able to speed up their developments.
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I really hope you’re right about that. Apple secretly building on the next thing these past years. But every year I thought this was going to happen and every year, since 2012 I’ve been disappointed.
Disappointed by the fact that a company the size of Apple wasn’t able to simultaneously keep their hardware up to date and expanding into new areas. They’ve alienated lots of their core business and are struggling to keep up in other areas including the iPhone.
I would understand the situation if Apple was still a relatively small company with about 12.000 workers and not that many financial resources to keep up. But for a company that has grown tenfold and with almost unlimited financial resources it’s hard to understand they lost the businesses they used to rule. Also their relatively new business like iPhones, they seem to struggle. Software like Siri, maps, Final Cut Pro, iCloud, Pages, Keynote, Photo’s I only see incremental updates whereas competitors make big jumps. Aperture lost to Lightroom and I see iMovie getting overhauled by Adobe Rush.
I really hope there will be something happening behind the screens but somehow I’ve lost faith and got irritating feelings by the price increases, slow development pace and greediness of a once high regarded company.
Uhhh...no it doesn’t. Office space at Apple Park is at 100% occupancy and Apple had to maintain all their existing office space, both at One Infinite Loop and at all the rented office space around Cupertino to meet the demand.
There’s a very real possibility that Apple will have to build a second spaceship or additional satellite buildings at Apple Park to meet their insatiable demand for office space. The company continues to grow as it moves into services which require far more employees than building hardware and software.
There are different types of truth such as a technical truth vs an inferential truth.
Companies like to spout the technical truth. A technical example would be "XYZ place serves organic chicken". However using inference, you find out it was certified organic because the process does not require the entire end-to-end to be organic.
If unit sales are allegedly* flat lining and Apple is not mentioning numbers because they want to shift you to a different focus on revenue/profit, don't you think actions speak louder than words?
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Statistically the ratio of retail Apple employees completely trumps the number of engineers at Apple. There are stats somewhere, but it was something like 30-40% are corporate/engineering employees at Apple. The rest are retail.
They lose out on good engineers. Many good engineers would rather work at startups or different companies that allow them to flow with their ideas. Apple's style tends to be more top/down as shown with their latest releases the past few years.
If only economic output, GDP, etc, translated into quality of life.
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The Paredo principle comes to mind:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kevinkruse/2016/03/07/80-20-rule/#6712b6d33814
That’ll teach you not to give up you independence and join a larger country.
The more states where they have a significant number of employees the more state governments they can influence.
Nice to know Texas is constantly working to improve itself.
They are not even happy then. The update was too small and the price is too much.
Growing up it hard.
Tec workers don’t like the cold.
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