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Apple, AT&T sued over MMS

bigjnyc said:
Apple is no better for advertising and touting a feature on a new phone which would not be available on launch day. I'm sure they knew AT&T's timeline before they began using MMS as one of their selling points for the new iPhone. I understand it's available overseas but dont advertise it in the US where AT&T is the exclusive carrier, then you have nuts like this one holding you to your word.
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I don't remember the details, but did Apple advertise MMS as a feature available on the 3G S, or as a feature available for immediate use in the U.S.? If the former, do you insist that Apple not mention it at all at its product announcement simply because the carrier is not ready for it?
 
Did anyone actually read the article? When AT&T/Apple enable MMS really has nothing to do with the suit. The plaintiff is attempting to say Apple mislead customers with the 3.0 release into thinking MMS was enabled. I don't agree with that statement but this is the basis of the lawsuit. If AT&T enables MMS tomorrow, I don't think it would have one bearing on the lawsuit.
 
bozzykid said:
Did anyone actually read the article? When AT&T/Apple enable MMS really has nothing to do with the suit. The plaintiff is attempting to say Apple mislead customers with the 3.0 release into thinking MMS was enabled. I don't agree with that statement but this is the basis of the lawsuit. If AT&T enables MMS tomorrow, I don't think it would have one bearing on the lawsuit.
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MMS was enabled with 3.0, for basically the whole world.

In fact, Apple made a point to not include at&t on that slide of carriers when the feature was revealed.
 
honestly, how long has the iphone been out? i think they have had enough time to get this working dont you guys?

Yes, the amount is silly...but i think the point of it isnt. Apple promoted the iphone as capable of MMS, sending pics...not emailing, but sending pics to a phone number.

They falsely advertised it. They should be sued...but as i said, they amount is just silly. It almost makes this lawsuit ridiculous.
 
HighLife420 said:
honestly, how long has the iphone been out? i think they have had enough time to get this working dont you guys?

Yes, the amount is silly...but i think the point of it isnt. Apple promoted the iphone as capable of MMS, sending pics...not emailing, but sending pics to a phone number.

They falsely advertised it. They should be sued...but as i said, they amount is just silly. It almost makes this lawsuit ridiculous.
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The iPhone is MMS capable. Apple promoted MMS being enabled on OS 3.0, but left out AT&T on that slide. So since they didn't include AT&T on the MMS is ready slide, it isn't false advertising. And when Apple did advertise MMS in the US, it had a disclaimer saying late summer. It is AT&T that is holding MMS back, not Apple. The code for MMS is there, the carrier settings are not......
 
HighLife420 said:
honestly, how long has the iphone been out? i think they have had enough time to get this working dont you guys?

Yes, the amount is silly...but i think the point of it isnt. Apple promoted the iphone as capable of MMS, sending pics...not emailing, but sending pics to a phone number.

They falsely advertised it. They should be sued...but as i said, they amount is just silly. It almost makes this lawsuit ridiculous.
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It isn't falsely advertised. The iPhone is MMS capable, its carrier dependent when that's enabled. Apple doesn't advertise the AT&T and the iPhone with MMS capabilities because it hasn't been enabled yet. Since the keynote it was stated that AT&T would not offer MMS until late summer, which was met with resounding boos from the audience. You'll see ads with the iPhone and other carriers touting MMS, but not AT&T.
 
quagmire said:
The iPhone is MMS capable. Apple promoted MMS being enabled on OS 3.0, but left out AT&T on that slide. So since they didn't include AT&T on the MMS is ready slide, it isn't false advertising. And when Apple did advertise MMS in the US, it had a disclaimer saying late summer. It is AT&T that is holding MMS back, not Apple. The code for MMS is there, the carrier settings are not......
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Hmm, im sure its not the fault of apple, but if they going to promote something, they need to make sure that it does function as promised...they should be getting on ATT about it.

Whoever, they are both getting sued..
 
HighLife420 said:
Hmm, im sure its not the fault of apple, but if they going to promote something, they need to make sure that it does function as promised...they should be getting on ATT about it.

Whoever, they are both getting sued..
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AT&T and Apple aren't advertising the MMS capabilities of the iPhone to the respective carrier so no one should be sued.
 
HighLife420 said:
Hmm, im sure its not the fault of apple, but if they going to promote something, they need to make sure that it does function as promised...they should be getting on ATT about it.

Whoever, they are both getting sued..
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Apple made it pretty clear MMS would be available in late summer for US customers........
 
quagmire said:
Apple made it pretty clear MMS would be available in late summer for US customers........
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Ohh, i know...but i dont think thats why they are both being sued...from how i read it they promoted the iphone with MMS when they knew they couldnt delivery the service. Its the fault of Apple for promoting it and the fault of ATT for not having the service available. However, Apple can prove they have it working, but they should of never stated that it had the service in the first place when they knew ATT wasnt ready. Im sure, if they wanted to, point the finger at ATT for not having the service available.

Its going to be interesting to see what happens...if they dont throw it out just on the amount of insanity the person was under when they came up with that dollar amount. If it were me, i would of asked for something alittle LESS crazy...i mean, you always start out with a high number. They might settle =)

Ill take $10,000 for my stress for lack of MMS feature, which is prob less than what Apple/ATT would be paying for a legal defense. Ill even take free iphones for life =)
 
HighLife420 said:
Ohh, i know...but i dont think thats why they are both being sued...from how i read it they promoted the iphone with MMS when they knew they couldnt delivery the service. Its the fault of Apple for promoting it and the fault of ATT for not having the service available. However, Apple can prove they have it working, but they should of never stated that it had the service in the first place when they knew ATT wasnt ready. Im sure, if they wanted to, point the finger at ATT for not having the service available.
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Not everything is centered around the US. When Apple announced MMS in 3.0, they included their foreign markets. They clearly stated MMS was ready for their foreign markets, and would be ready for the US in late summer. They promoted MMS because the OS is capable of doing it now. And said it will work in their foreign markets immediately.

Just because MMS is not available in one country, doesn't mean Apple can not promote it for their other markets.
 
quagmire said:
Not everything is centered around the US. When Apple announced MMS in 3.0, they included their foreign markets. They clearly stated MMS was ready for their foreign markets, and would be ready for the US in late summer. They promoted MMS because the OS is capable of doing it now. And said it will work in their foreign markets immediately.

Just because MMS is not available in one country, doesn't mean Apple can not promote it for their other markets.
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hmm i saw it had alot of promotion here in the states...if thats the case, they should of made sure that they only show advertisements for it in other countries.

like i said too, Apple can prove it works...they can just point the finger at ATT...question is, will they do that?
 
So let's see, any company with a disclaimer, meaning the little asterisks by a statement or numbers/letters depending on who does it means nothing?

The little "MMS support from AT&T coming in late summer." statement which is a disclaimer which to me means, ATT will be supporting it later this summer NOT APPLE as APPLE already supports it.

A few more disclaimers:

MMS support from AT&T coming in late summer. MMS is not supported on first-generation iPhone. Sending video via MMS is not supported on iPhone 3G.

Some features, applications, and services are not available in all areas. See your carrier for details.

Oh wait, let me repeat that last one for the people sueing Apple.

Some features, applications, and services are not available in all areas. See your carrier for details.
 
bigjnyc said:
on the one hand this is an absurd lawsuit. On the other hand the idiots at AT&T deserve the bad publicity and Apple is no better for advertising and touting a feature on a new phone which would not be available on launch day. I'm sure they knew AT&T's timeline before they began using MMS as one of their selling points for the new iPhone. I understand it's available overseas but dont advertise it in the US where AT&T is the exclusive carrier, then you have nuts like this one holding you to your word.
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Since when is Canada overseas? :p
 
leomac08 said:
that's why i love being a latin-american, i can just go back, and ignore that i am american......:D
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Hey wait a minute, you mean to tell me we don't have the ability to do MMS?


I want a Refund and I will sue for $10,000,000,000.00 and all proceeds to goto AT&T in order to fix their network and give us MMS Please?

Apple has enough money...LOL
 
The fact of the matter is - this lawsuit most probably delayed the release of MMS rather than expidite it.

Naturally, any legal court matter takes time to proceed & usually gets dragged out, especially with high-class lawyers at Apple & AT&T.
The last thing they'd do is change a scenario that they're fighting a suit over because it may be construed as persuasion.


Why did AT&T say that we'd be MMS'ing 'towards the end of the summer' when the summer technically ends in about a week?
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:apple:
 
If you have been in an AT&T corporate wireless store since 3.0 launched you will see a big iphone advertising all of the features of the os, including mms, they have no sign up stating that mms is not usable on their network, so yes I believe there is some misleading or false advertising on AT&T's part. I believe it is apple who provides those displays, so yes in legal terms they are both responsible for the misleading of AT&T customers. I for one wish that mms would hurry up and be turned on because I have a lot of friends that use it, but I am not complaining because I do have the ability to change phones if I wish to, this is still a free country (at least a little while longer).
 
We need to get Judge Judy in here.

______ is suing AT&T Inc and Apple Computer... for five billion, one thousand dollars

Plaintiff: OMG LULZ THERE'S NO MM-
Judy: Baloney! It doesn't make sense! Your case is dismissed and I WANT YOU TO DIE!
 
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