Last I checked, these games don't run on the Mac anymore. They never got 64 bit ports, and don't run on modern macOS. And they won't run under Rosetta on Apple Silicon for the same reason.
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Last I checked, these games don't run on the Mac anymore. They never got 64 bit ports, and don't run on modern macOS. And they won't run under Rosetta on Apple Silicon for the same reason.
Some of those might work if you jump through additional hoops and pay for Crossover/Parallels subscriptions but still a gamble. For example, Left 4 Dead 2 was listed as somewhat working but recent reports have said it's no longer working while original Left 4 Dead shows as not working.
https://www.applegamingwiki.com/wiki/Left_4_Dead_2
Wow thirsty arn't we.
The only person here with no clue is yourself, and you've just proved how pathetic Mac AAA gaming is, can we get a slow clap for @Irishman. Sure I know there are AAA games on the Mac, but it's so insignificant there might as well be none, that was the point, not literally. So calm down there "mac gamer".
Lemme know when you can play Deus Ex HR Directors Cut, you know the "fixed" version. I think I picked it up for $3 off Steam. Or Black Mesa ya know the updated version of Half-Life. Or any new significant games within the last few years. Have an itch to see what the fuss is about Elden Ring, or want to cause some chaos in GTA V, or jump into a PUBG match, or explore some history in Assassin's Creed, or walk about in Fallout, no not for you "mac gamer". All those games, except Elden ring, and more I've played. BTW if you haven't guessed those are huge titles in the gaming market. GTA V, a game which has been sitting in the top 10 sold each year has been ported to almost every platform, except Mac 🤔
That Steam list is very telling, truth hurts.
BTW my Steam games sits around around 110 games, but I probably have more FREE games in my Epic launcher then you have listed as playing on the Mac. Never mind I also have games in Origin and uPlay, and of course Blizzard a company which was favourable to the Mac, some of their modern titles will never see a Mac version, why don't we link up on Battle Net and go through some matches in Overwatch, I usually rotate between Sombra, Lucio, and Junkrat...opps sorry you can't.
tee hee...Now put up or shut up!
That’s true, but they still work for me, because I made the decision back when Apple announced that Mojave would be the last MacOS to support both 32-bit and 64-bit software, not to update past that.
And my plan for this point is to go on with this frozen in-time setup until such time as I feel good about upgrading to a newer Apple Silicon Mac, and hopefully be able to have something akin to Boot Camp again.
That, or until she goes tits up.
Ok, you guys got me lost…
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not bothered either. I’ve played games on Macs, but I’ve accepted that most of the games I’m interested in are not on macOS anymore. Those that are, I might just as well play on a Mac. For me that’s Diablo 3, which I’d play on a Mac. Have to check the state of Starcraft II, as I’m in the process of writing some new AI bots for competition. Path of Exile on the other hand is available for macOS, but the port is so bad, it’s much better to play the Windows version. So yes, I’m not bothered by the platform, I just use the platform that works for a game I want. If I decide to play Mario, then I’ll have to buy a Nintendo Switch.
Wasn’t one of the original claims in these gaming threads that Macs will be much better now for gaming because they have M1 Pro/Max which are so much better when it comes to graphics? I’ve read claims (not sure if in this thread or another, I lost track), that games were unplayable on Intel iGPUs and AMD/NVidia were only for the top tier Macs, which don’t count and now that we have good graphics performance in MBP 14, it’s all going to change.
Mojave isn’t working with the new AS hardware, is it? It feels a little these arguments are spinning out of control, goalposts are moved always in favor to support “Macs are great gaming machines and the future is bright”.
I still don’t get why people don’t just pick up another desktop PC to play games if that’s where the focus is. Or in other words, if the Nintendo fans wanted to play Sonic back in the day, they had to buy a Sega console in addition. Nothing really changed. 🤷♂️
So what you’re saying is, you’re fine with the number and selection of titles available for the Mac and accept that? But why do we have a new thread every 2 days that keeps going and going and tries to convince us that the future of Mac gaming is bright and many more titles will show up, because the Mac is now much more gaming friendly than it ever was before? If people don’t bother with the state of games on Macs and accept that only a small fraction of titles are ported, then what’s there to discuss? Things are the way they should be and no change is required by that logic.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not bothered either. I’ve played games on Macs, but I’ve accepted that most of the games I’m interested in are not on macOS anymore. Those that are, I might just as well play on a Mac. For me that’s Diablo 3, which I’d play on a Mac. Have to check the state of Starcraft II, as I’m in the process of writing some new AI bots for competition. Path of Exile on the other hand is available for macOS, but the port is so bad, it’s much better to play the Windows version. So yes, I’m not bothered by the platform, I just use the platform that works for a game I want. If I decide to play Mario, then I’ll have to buy a Nintendo Switch.
I’m still lost.
Wasn’t one of the original claims in these gaming threads that Macs will be much better now for gaming because they have M1 Pro/Max which are so much better when it comes to graphics? I’ve read claims (not sure if in this thread or another, I lost track), that games were unplayable on Intel iGPUs and AMD/NVidia were only for the top tier Macs, which don’t count and now that we have good graphics performance in MBP 14, it’s all going to change.
Mojave isn’t working with the new AS hardware, is it? It feels a little these arguments are spinning out of control, goalposts are moved always in favor to support “Macs are great gaming machines and the future is bright”.
I still don’t get why people don’t just pick up another desktop PC to play games if that’s where the focus is. Or in other words, if the Nintendo fans wanted to play Sonic back in the day, they had to buy a Sega console in addition. Nothing really changed. 🤷♂️
Wow thirsty arn't we.
The only person here with no clue is yourself, and you've just proved how pathetic Mac AAA gaming is, can we get a slow clap for @Irishman. Sure I know there are AAA games on the Mac, but it's so insignificant there might as well be none, that was the point, not literally. So calm down there "mac gamer".
Lemme know when you can play Deus Ex HR Directors Cut, you know the "fixed" version. I think I picked it up for $3 off Steam. Or Black Mesa ya know the updated version of Half-Life. Or any new significant games within the last few years. Have an itch to see what the fuss is about Elden Ring, or want to cause some chaos in GTA V, or jump into a PUBG match, or explore some history in Assassin's Creed, or walk about in Fallout, no not for you "mac gamer". All those games, except Elden ring, and more I've played. BTW if you haven't guessed those are huge titles in the gaming market. GTA V, a game which has been sitting in the top 10 sold each year has been ported to almost every platform, except Mac 🤔
That Steam list is very telling, truth hurts.
BTW my Steam games sits around around 110 games, but I probably have more FREE games in my Epic launcher then you have listed as playing on the Mac. Never mind I also have games in Origin and uPlay, and of course Blizzard a company which was favourable to the Mac, some of their modern titles will never see a Mac version, why don't we link up on Battle Net and go through some matches in Overwatch, I usually rotate between Sombra, Lucio, and Junkrat...opps sorry you can't.
Now put up or shut up!
So, you knew that your claim was bogus when you made it, but that’s somehow my fault?!?!?
Riiiigghhtt. I’m giving your 2nd paragraph (you know, the one with all of the whataboutisms?) the response it deserves, by saying thanks for agreeing with me that the Mac doesn’t have every AAA PC game.
So, now it’s ok to look at other storefronts like Epic and Battle Net? How about really widening out the scope of stores, and let’s include the Mac App Store?!
You know, as long as you continue to profer trash claims, no amount of words… you’ve probably never heard of a Gish Gallop, and yet you’ve crafted a perfect example of it! Bravo!
The Steam list doesn’t prove what you want it to prove, and on top of that, you’ve admitted that your claim is not factual in the first place, so, again, your repeated insistence that it’s somehow relevant to something, again, isn’t my fault.
It’s yours.
Several games on the same ”Best of Steam 2021” list are ”ancient” which shows that age is just a number and doesn’t affect the quality or popularity of a game.
2007 Team Fortress
2010 Civilization V
2012 CSGO, Eurotruck Sim
2013 DOTA 2, War Thunder, Path of Exile, ARMA 3, Payday 2, Company of Heroes 2
2014 The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
2015 GTA, Rainbow Six Siege, Fallout 4, CoD Black OPS 3, Cities Skylines, The Witcher 3, Dying Light
It remains to see if Proton increases Linux market share. Won’t be easy when it has less than half the Mac market share. It can also have the opposite effect and be a disadvantage for native ports to Linux. People use the same argument against Mac and say using Crossover makes the developers think there is no need to port Windows games to Mac. The same can be said about Proton and Linux.
Since Codeweavers make both Proton and Crossover you can be sure that Proton’s features will come to Mac too. They’ve been committed to Mac for a long time. DX 12 support is planned for Crossover 23 next year. Epic’s Easy Anti-Cheat already works on Mac.
Of course Linux has its advantages in specific areas but as a whole it still isn’t a strong gaming platform compared to Mac as Lihp8270 said. We were talking about gaming natively on Mac vs Linux. You’re talking about Windows gaming on Mac/Linux. While Proton is more evolved Linux gamers are still only a small and specific group that can take advantage of those benefits. None of the games orionquest mentioned as examples against AAA gaming on Mac exists on Linux either, except Black Mesa.
One of the main arguments here and in similar threads against gaming on Mac and porting games is the small market share and profit margins. Gaming is a consumer driven market. There are no Linux computers in the retail stores sold to daily users but you can find Macs everywhere. There are far more Mac adopters than Linux. Since market share and profit margins are the main factor Macs have a clear advantage there:
- User base on Steam: Mac 2.55%, Linux 1.14%.
- Number of current games: Mac 34272, Linux 22175
- Number of upcoming games: Mac 1453, Linux 1033
With its many distros and steeper learning curve Linux is not as user friendly as Mac OS. Linux users have to have more technical knowledge about their system to be able to manage it. Linux gamers have to often build their own systems and tweak them for gaming. Many games are often ported first to Mac then to Linux, if at all (Yes, I know some games are ported to Linux but not to Mac).
According to this article there are 5 Linux distros recommended for gaming. With Mac you have one OS. The article says ”You’ll have to consider many factors to choose the best Linux distros for gaming for yourself. You’ll want to check if the distro supports gaming platforms, like Steam or GameHub. If you prefer using controllers for your sessions, make sure the distro supports controllers, like the Xbox or PlayStation controllers. It also won’t hurt to check if the distro comes with other regular desktop apps.”
The article also says ”One thing most might be thinking about PC gaming on Linux is that there will be a lot of necessary tinkering. It’s no different here.” You also have to use different tools like Lutris and Feral Gamemode to get the best performance.
In contrary to what you say the writer says "Because a lot of the games being played on Linux aren’t native, there will usually be a performance difference to Windows. Running through compatibility layers just isn’t the same as running a game natively, so it’s to be expected. As good as Proton is, it’s still a fix. And some games just won’t run at all, in many cases because of anti-cheat software baked in. Destiny 2, for example, flat out won’t start because of its anti-cheat system which just isn’t supported on Linux. If you like to tinker with things, you should try Linux. I’m not here to say you should ditch Windows 10 immediately, but I am here to tell you not to be afraid to try it. I wanted to learn how to use it, and while I’ve barely scratched the surface, I do get an immense feeling of satisfaction making tweaks and seeing the results. Right after the rage because, as a beginner, I broke something."
Again Linux can be a good gaming platform for hardcore gamers who know what they are doing but as a whole is not a strong platform with its small market share.
Actually those new threads are always started by pc gamers trying to preach for Mac gamers how much Apple and Mac gaming sucks when all they do is game on their pc. The question is why do they feel the urge to come to a Mac forum and point out that other people's choice of computers are worse than theirs if they're happy with their lives? It just proves that despite the vast selection of AAA games and their superior pc hardware they are so bored that they have to come to Mac forums to have a laugh. Why else would they come here if they're having so much fun with their games? Unless they're actually not gamers themselves and are just trolling.Ok, you guys got me lost…
So what you’re saying is, you’re fine with the number and selection of titles available for the Mac and accept that? But why do we have a new thread every 2 days that keeps going and going and tries to convince us that the future of Mac gaming is bright and many more titles will show up, because the Mac is now much more gaming friendly than it ever was before? If people don’t bother with the state of games on Macs and accept that only a small fraction of titles are ported, then what’s there to discuss? Things are the way they should be and no change is required by that logic.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not bothered either. I’ve played games on Macs, but I’ve accepted that most of the games I’m interested in are not on macOS anymore. Those that are, I might just as well play on a Mac. For me that’s Diablo 3, which I’d play on a Mac. Have to check the state of Starcraft II, as I’m in the process of writing some new AI bots for competition. Path of Exile on the other hand is available for macOS, but the port is so bad, it’s much better to play the Windows version. So yes, I’m not bothered by the platform, I just use the platform that works for a game I want. If I decide to play Mario, then I’ll have to buy a Nintendo Switch.
I’m still lost.
Wasn’t one of the original claims in these gaming threads that Macs will be much better now for gaming because they have M1 Pro/Max which are so much better when it comes to graphics? I’ve read claims (not sure if in this thread or another, I lost track), that games were unplayable on Intel iGPUs and AMD/NVidia were only for the top tier Macs, which don’t count and now that we have good graphics performance in MBP 14, it’s all going to change.
Mojave isn’t working with the new AS hardware, is it? It feels a little these arguments are spinning out of control, goalposts are moved always in favor to support “Macs are great gaming machines and the future is bright”.
I still don’t get why people don’t just pick up another desktop PC to play games if that’s where the focus is. Or in other words, if the Nintendo fans wanted to play Sonic back in the day, they had to buy a Sega console in addition. Nothing really changed. 🤷♂️
I speak for myself and few others I know and yes I'm fine with the selection of Mac games because I'm a casual gamer and have a backlog for the next decade or two. At the same time Macs have very capable HW and developing SW now more than before so that's the reason for the optimism. My personal opinion about my gaming habits doesn't represent the whole Mac community and other people's gaming habits. What's hard to understand?
Most of the pc gamers that start new threads here every 2 days on the other hand think that everybody's life like their own circles around hardcore gaming and speedrunning the latest new games and quickly get bored by the games because of the huge selection of new titles. That's why they think Apple and Mac gaming sucks when in fact Mac gamers are more than twice as many as Linux gamers.
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Ya keep running your mouth, but yet to see you demonstrate your steam game list, which you were so thirsty to know about.
Bet there isn't one. Or you even game.
You are like one of those kids in the chat who trash talks but in the end has no gaming skills, and gets beat down every match their in. Keep trying mac gamer!
Ya keep running your mouth, but yet to see you demonstrate your steam game list, which you were so thirsty to know about.
Bet there isn't one. Or you even game.
You are like one of those kids in the chat who trash talks but in the end has no gaming skills, and gets beat down every match their in. Keep trying mac gamer!
I’m gonna starve the troll starting now!
I’m still lost.
Wasn’t one of the original claims in these gaming threads that Macs will be much better now for gaming because they have M1 Pro/Max which are so much better when it comes to graphics? I’ve read claims (not sure if in this thread or another, I lost track), that games were unplayable on Intel iGPUs and AMD/NVidia were only for the top tier Macs, which don’t count and now that we have good graphics performance in MBP 14, it’s all going to change.
Mojave isn’t working with the new AS hardware, is it? It feels a little these arguments are spinning out of control, goalposts are moved always in favor to support “Macs are great gaming machines and the future is bright”.
I still don’t get why people don’t just pick up another desktop PC to play games if that’s where the focus is. Or in other words, if the Nintendo fans wanted to play Sonic back in the day, they had to buy a Sega console in addition. Nothing really changed. 🤷♂️
I’m not sure what the original exact claims about how optimistically we should or shouldn’t be about Mac gaming, due to the then-upcoming Apple Silicon. But I think that if the overall notion is that we’ve never had as powerful a leap in performance as we are undergoing now, then I think that I can get behind that idea. When new hardware is announced that holds this much promise, hope springs eternal, especially when the reality of it only reinforces that promise.
I think that it’s a fact that now that M1 is out, there’s no more hardware performance limits on Macs. I think that - now that they’ve made the transition, all they really need to do is to iterate and improve.
Marketing aside, would you say that M1 is more evolution or more revolution?
As far as your question about whether or not Mojave runs on Apple Silicon? Nope, it doesn’t run, so all is not a bed of roses in running Mojave on my late-2012 iMac.
Agreed. I don't get it, he seemed ready to pull his Steam game library out and now is calling you a troll. Me is confused. But oh well.Ya keep running your mouth, but yet to see you demonstrate your steam game list, which you were so thirsty to know about.
Bet there isn't one. Or you even game.
You are like one of those kids in the chat who trash talks but in the end has no gaming skills, and gets beat down every match their in. Keep trying mac gamer!
Lads, can we ditch all the various infighting for no reason?
Gaming on macs is terrible. End of.
Gaming on macs is terrible. End of.
Listen, if the lists of available games on Steam and other online stores that are for mac and for PC don't convince you , nothing will.
Do you have any evidence or links from game devs and from Apple that point to both of your claims? (Lack of dev support and no interest from Apple).
The burden of proof is always on the claimant.
That’s all the facts and logic you’re going to get from me today.
That's odd. Not how I remember things. This one started off as such, sure. But most new threads I read are how great M-series Macs are in gaming and how the whole gaming world is going to focus on them. From how 50% of gaming machines will be Macs in 3 years (more like 1 1/2 now), to "look BG3 got a port, not everything will be ported" up to the return of x86 and how Apple will team up with Sony, bring back Nvidia in the process and that combination will save the gaming world because Sony will sell gaming PCs running macOS. And don't forget the 3D graphics and animation software, because of that top secret Apple/Nvidia project no one knows about and how this is going to revolutionize the 3D graphics world for creatives. 🤷♂️
Well, many people own PCs in addition to Macs. I do too, because I simply can't get things done using Macs only. And this is the "Mac and PC Games" forum, so why not come here to talk about games? I'm not a hardcore gamer hanging out on reddit oder neogaf. I read there every now and then, but I'm not really active there. I'm sure many more are like me.
It's not like Linux doesn't suck for gaming. But as far as gaming goes it wouldn't be my first choice either. If anything, I would see a little more people playing games on Macs now than before AS, simply because people can't Bootcamp Windows anymore. So instead of booting into Windows on their Macs, some will try to play a Mac version of a game. Now the whole Bootcamp thing was a bumpy ride, but it allowed people to use Windows. With Linux, there was never a problem. Dual boot with any hardware into Windows has never been an issue, so even if someone is running Linux, they most likely used Windows to play games. I personally don't see any reason to play games in Linux unless you want to avoid rebooting and therefore I'm surprised the number of people playing games in Linux is as high as it is.
I still don't see that super huge performance gap everyone is talking about. Apple moved processing power from more expensive hardware (MBP16, iMac, Mac Pro) down to the MBP13/14. That's new. But otherwise, there's been no gap in the AS beginning. Sure Apple stopped to update Intel/AMD based hardware, so if course there's a gap now compared to 2 year old hardware that Apple didn't update anymore, but that's the case in the PC world as well and it wasn't really different with Apple when the made the jump from 68k to PPC and later PPC to Intel. For some stuff I need Windows/Linux and have a Razer Blade laptop that's still running circles around my MBP when it comes to compute and graphics, not so much on photo and video work though. The massive difference is really the much lower power consumption.
To be honest, I didn't really run into hardware performance limits with Intel Macs. There's been the Nvidia/Cuda limit for which there's still no way around and then clusters, which are of course a lot more powerful. A Mac Pro replacement is still missing, but I don't think I'll get one this time around. Even if a M-series Mac Pro would allow me to add 1TB+ RAM, there's still the GPU issue for me. I'm running Dell workstations with Xeon Platinum and RTX8000 and porting everything to Metal just isn't feasible. The heavy lifting is done in the cloud or local clusters anyway and in such cases, I could get away with a MBA or even iPad if only iPadOS would be a bit more flexible.
Depends on how you look at it. It's an evolution coming from the iPhone/iPad, but a revolution putting it into a desktop/laptop. That is what Apple can do, as they provide their own hardware and software. No one else is doing this (consoles aside). Dell/HP/Lenovo won't go all in on ARM because Windows doesn't fully support it and MS could care less about polishing ARM Windows because Dell/HP/Lenovo don't sell hardware. MS does kind of, but I guess more to attack the tablet market than anything else. Hen and egg problem, which Apple can deal with.
