Apple Demands Microsoft Pull Laptop Hunter Ads

[chaynes]

It's Windows, It's Windows

I just spent a weekend with a windows user running a fairly expense hardware setup. What a joke. Doing the exact same sorta simple tasks Windows never proceeded the same way twice, finally crashed and then died. This was no heavy task just play really. I could never trust my business to that uncertainty. I hear this same stuff from a lot of my acquaintances on PCs. Then they sigh like it's inevitable and call their IT folks.

I love this guy who says he's "picky." Maybe with his nose. If you're picky, need to be productive, you wouldn't let even $500-1000 keep you from getting a machine like my 4. Every morning I get up, go to work, at the end of the day I'm about the tasks I've completed not what it takes to keep the computer running. I sincerely believe Windows has been developed to keep IT people in work.

If you're picky you're on a Mac.

 

[Shasterball]

In a sense it sorta does - happening to like a brand is having an item or 2 of said product- but if you continually to choose that brand when there are multiple stores of the same thing surrounding your BR store (GAP, Hot Topic, Levis, etc) - well, just becuase you don't raise a sign that says I love BR doesn't mean your not a fan of their clothes. Your sorta wearing the fact that your a fan.

I mean, obviously I am a fan. I like their products. But I always figured "fanboys" were obsessive and continuously tried to sell people on the products they like...

 

[Shasterball]

I pay for aesthetics, but don't tell me it's value for money.

Aesthetics is not value? Clearly you value it.

 

[.Andy]

This is a joke. Nobody in Apple legal is stupid enough to think that a call to MS legal would stop them from running their stupid little ads.

Apple legal call all sorts of people and do all sorts of stupid things. It's only a short time ago they tried to sue a 13 year old and shut down his website because they couldn't plug leaks at their end.

 

[OllyW]

The difference is my 8 year old mac runs Leopard. Try running Vista or System 7 on a 486 or Pentium 1.

But those are sixteen year old processors.

What are you trying to prove?

How about try running Snow Leopard on a 3 year old G5?

 

[genovelle]

Sorry I don't want to sound rude but you can't use people who click on every flashing box or install every app they can download to bash windows... It's been awhile since I owned a mac but there is the correct & incorrect to run both windows & osx..

You miss the point. It is about the experience. A new user should not have to take a course in, click this, but don't click that, when the buy their first computer. It should just make sense and work. You can just go to a bad site and get infected on a PC. Even trusted sites that have been hacked. I know, I have experienced it. Thats why if I have to run windows I do it in parallels. When it gets infected or starts doing strange things I just go to Time Machine, Apples Backup utility and drag an old version to present.

On the mac you have to input your password to get infected. Even new users can usually tell somethings up.

 

[gloomcookie1]

I guess to the simple minded, things can only be one way. You must either love Apple unconditionally or hate them with a passion, and if you list Apple products in your signature it must mean you own nothing else.

One - I list that in my signature because my non-Apple hardware is totally irrelevant on an Apple fan site.

Two - I like their products and love some aspects of their products, but I still have tons of reservations and I'm nowhere near OK with their business practices or their advertising. I have to keep a bucket standing around just so I have somewhere to puke when I stumble upon Apple's ads or posts by brainwashed fanboys.

Sorry, but life isn't simple like that. You can have a love/hate relationship to a company. Everyone says they hate Microsoft if the topic comes up because it's the politically correct thing to do, yet clearly >90% of them use Microsoft products every day.

Things are never the same way - but I guess by your definition then no one is a fan of anything. And you can be a fan of something and still have a love/hate relationship with something - just becuase fanboy is viewed by everyone as a derogatory term doesn't mean you have to make sure that no one knows your a fan of something. I'm a big fan of the 49ers - it certainly doesn't mean I'm not critical of the decisions they make or how they play. I just find it funny that everyone makes a point to say their not a fanboy when they have to be a fan somewhat to continually buy their products - or else why would you buy them or support them. Being a fan does not mean you can't be critical too.

And really - must everyone start out a reply with name calling?

 

[Tommigun]

I just spent a weekend with a windows user running a fairly expense hardware setup. What a joke. Doing the exact same sorta simple tasks Windows never proceeded the same way twice, finally crashed and then died. This was no heavy task just play really. I could never trust my business to that uncertainty.

What does that even mean?

That you are unfamiliar with Windows and it seemed strange to you?

Wow, and his PC crashed... My Mac crashed yesterday while playing World of Warcraft, ergo Mac OS X sucks also?

 

[zeeklancer]

No, that's not accurate at all. Mac's do not require defragmenting - the file system (HFA Journaled) does that.

If you are referring to repairing permissions, that is a repair function roughly equal to chkdsk on the PC - it should only be done if you are having problems.

Actually that is not correct too :/

Running fdisk is like running chkdsk. In fact, I don't think windows has anything like repairing permissions.

All repairing permissions does is set the proper permissions on installed files from packages, and by proper I mean the permissions the package said they should be.

fdisk, and chkdsk actually check the file system structures,

IMO, repairing permissions is tossed around here as a a fix for everything, but it is not.

 

[Shasterball]

IMO, repairing permissions is tossed around here as a a fix for everything, but it is not.

Agreed.

 

[discomandavis]

Mac ads point out flaws in their operating system.
PC points out that they(PC) can sell you half an operating system for half the price.


Microsoft is stupid.

 

[Tommigun]

Aesthetics is not value? Clearly you value it.

You know what I mean! I was referring to the post which claimed that Mac hardware is not more expensive than PC hardware (from a performance standpoint).

 

[alltruist]

Kevin Turner sure does sound like a tool.

And Steve Jobs doesn't??

Honestly, this is very amusing. "Hey Microsoft, stop pointing out how expensive Macs are, because we lowered the price by a nominal $100." I haven't heard Microsoft saying, "Hey Apple, stop lying about Windows being less secure, because security experts found that Windows is actually more secure than OS X."

 

[gloomcookie1]

I mean, obviously I am a fan. I like their products. But I always figured "fanboys" were obsessive and continuously tried to sell people on the products they like...

Which I understand that - I wasn't really calling anyone out or anything - just making an observation.

I think that fanboy has become this derogatory term that everyone liked to use to mock people but I think anyone that hangs around a particular forum whether it be macs or pcs or xboxes or playstations are all somewhat fanyboys of that product.

 

[MattG]

If Apple's legal team were to respond, it wouldn't be in the form of a phone call asking them to 'please stop', it'd be in the form of a cease and desist. This whole story sounds highly unlikely.

 

[eastercat]

Whenever I see those laptop hunter advertisements, I remember that the company who did them all use Macs.
Yeah the advertisements are misleading, but name me one that isn't.

 

[Shasterball]

You know what I mean! I was referring to the post which claimed that Mac hardware is not more expensive than PC hardware (from a performance standpoint).

Ya, you are right though. The hardware is more expensive. In my experience it lasts longer, though, and the customer service is better. But not everyone has had as good luck.

 

[baruck]

I really dont believe!

Apple Legal send letters or e.mails, dont do phone calls. If this guy said that is because the ads are not working that good.

When you buy Apple hardware you not paying for a simple assemble of cheap parts from of the shelf. An iMac motherboard is not just like any other, or the board in a Mac Mini or Mac Pro... they are custom design and build. That is very expensive.

If you want to compare with cars, think of two cars with same (similiar) spec's: same top speed, same kind of finish, etc..., but one is made by a korean or chinese brand and the other by Mercedes. The chinese one probably will be way less expensive. Pick both and make a 2000 miles trip, driving it. At the end of that big trip you surely will notice the really big diference. With the mercedes you would be way less tired...

 

[1Zach1]

"This is a true story"

Right, because when you need to say that it clearly makes it true...

 

[Macsterguy]

OK, I like Macs and run 27 of them in my biz, but...

Apple pushed MS pretty hard for a long time (with no response, free ride) and with Vista's startup issues, had good reasons to, but...

Sometime when you push too much, you get pushed back... In this case, Apple (and Google) have helped to wake a sleeping GIANT.

Vista has now matured and 7 will be much cleaner, leaner, and meaner, so will Snow Leopard...

And the battle rages on... Should be fun to watch...

Apple's lawyers need to find something else to do... All is fair in love and war...

Apple also needs to bring their prices more in inline with competition...

Who do they think they are? Harley Davidson?

 

[Anuba]

On the mac you have to input your password to get infected. Even new users can usually tell somethings up.

And on Vista or Windows 7 you have to bypass twice as many obstacles. There are UAC prompts and password prompts, there are IE and Google warnings about malicious sites, there are Outlook/Mail warnings about opening certain kinds of attachments...

I guess if every new user is compelled to head straight for a Russian porn/crack/serial/torrent site, click every false promise link and boldly bypass every warning on the way, it poses a problem, but otherwise no.

I've used Windows since 1992 and never got any kind of malware onto any of my machines even back when the door was wide open (Win 95/98). In order for it to happen on Vista or Win7 I'd have to actively want a malware infection in order to make it happen.

Use your brain and a healthy dose of caution and self preservation, don't be a daredevil, and you'll be fine. I.e. just approach Windows like you would anything else in life... unless you're one of those people who put on a radiation suit, a helmet and a gun holster when you go to the grocery store to pick up some bread.

 

[Wikinerd]

A letter is probably the correct form of communication... but do you really think Apple wants Microsoft to have a letter from them asking for the ads to be stopped? That would be the wallpaper on every MS office in the world over a few days. Great motivational poster

Or because a letter can be analyzed and traced easily? And that there might be a signature that cannot be [legally] falsified? As opposed to a phone call, which is neither recorded/tapped nor transcribed by third party?

 

[belvdr]

Actually that is not correct too :/

Running fdisk is like running chkdsk. In fact, I don't think windows has anything like repairing permissions.

fdisk, and chkdsk actually check the file system structures,

Not correct. I think you mean fsck. The tool fdisk is used for partitioning, not checking filesystem structures. Of course, you can use fdisk to fix the filesystem structures, but you won't have any data left afterward.

 

[litmag01]

Pwned

Kevin Turner, Microsoft's Chief Operating Officer just got pwned. Those ads are lame and they're going to KEEP running them! LOL!

 

[SirOmega]

The thing is I think MS has already re-edited the ads to respond to the price drop - I cant think of a new LH commercial that I've seen in the past 3 weeks that specifically mentions the price of a MBP (the MB is still at $1000). Before that they were specifically mentioning $2000 for 15". I don't think they do anymore.

That said, the new MBPs are a great value. Its really not even appropriate to be comparing MBPs with any regular cheapo PC laptop - between the case and the battery its head and shoulders above the competition.