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jmoore5196

macrumors 6502a
May 19, 2009
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That fact that Mr Turner felt compelled to preface his anecdote with "true story" is a strong indicator that it isn't.

No responsible corporate attorney - or even an irresponsible hack - would make this kind of call, because they know it's not worth the effort.

More MS BS ... when you can't win because you have an inferior product, you lie about the other guy.
 

belvdr

macrumors 603
Aug 15, 2005
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Kevin Turner, Microsoft's Chief Operating Officer just got pwned. Those ads are lame and they're going to KEEP running them! LOL!

Yeah, and the "I'm a Mac" ads were so great. :rolleyes: Like I said earlier, anyone who goes solely on the advertisements is a weak and ignorant buyer. The smart buyer investigates things for himself.
 

leandromp

macrumors regular
Sep 20, 2008
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Very bizarre story. Sounds like BS to me. Maybe someone called with a very specific complaint about a particular claim? Even that sounds iffy.

And that's the reason he knows they are effective? Because Apple legal called? They don't have metrics that tell them whether this ad money was well spent? If there is truth to this at all this is something small that was blown out of proportion.


your so right. That's what I thought after reading the article.
Besides, apple doesn't even play their ads on tv!! I only know there's new ads because of macrumors!! They dont even use it!

I don't wanna sound like a fanboy or anything like that because I'm not!!, but this seems kinda fake/or very exagerated just to make headlines to me just to drag peoples attention to those stupid ads!
Apples smarted then that!
 

Bevz

macrumors 6502a
Oct 23, 2007
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UK
"I did cartwheels down the hallway... And so we're just going to keep running them and running them and running them."

I bet this guy was one of those really annoying kids at school you just wanted to slap.... The one who used to go "nah, nah, nah, nah" for 8 hours just to annoy everyone 'cos he thought it was funny... ;)
 

KindredMAC

macrumors 6502a
Sep 23, 2003
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I have to say I am glad the Laptop Hunter ads might be working. If someone is swayed that easily by an ad like that or even the I'm a Mac/I'm a PC Apple ads, I really don't want them in our community as Mac Users.

As it is, I feel there are too many wishy-washy Mac Users out there now because of the iPhone and iPod halo products.

What happened to the good old days when WE used to be the advocates for getting our relatives to buy a Mac for their home computer system and WE were tech support when something went wrong? Now you hear that your Aunt Sally just picked up a Mac mini without you even knowing about it! It's really become less of a "family" in the Mac world.
 

essential

macrumors 6502
Apr 8, 2008
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the ads may be vague, but they are also pretty true. i like apple, i have an ipod, iphone, and i want a mini to use as an HT machine and to learn OSX more, but in general Apple charges a lot more for what you get, especially in terms of laptops.

i recently bought a sony vaio 16.4" with a core 2 duo 2.4ghz (centrino 2 family which was the newest at the time), 3 gb ram, ati radeon mobility (forget model) with 256megs vram, and a 320gb 7200rpm HD all for $1,000, plus $89 for a copy of XP (i hate vista).

Apple's base laptop is $1,000 and I pretty much got top specs (non hardcore gamer) laptop for the same price.

A friend of mine recently got a Mac Pro tower and paid over $4,000 for dual quad core processors, 2GB of RAM, 1TB HD, 2 super drives, wireless card, and a Nvidia 8800GT. I think that is insane for those parts. I could have built two full top of the line PC's for that cost.

Apple can't be mad at these ads, no matter how much of the "true story" you aren't getting, generally you can get MUCH more in terms of hardware from a PC than a similarly priced Apple, and that's the real point of these ads.
 

whooleytoo

macrumors 604
Aug 2, 2002
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Cork, Ireland.
I haven't seen any of the adverts in question, but it's possible that some of them are factually and specifically incorrect. If the advert states "the equivalent laptop from Apple would cost you 1500 dollars", when in fact it costs 1200, then it would be perfectly understandable if Apple contacted Microsoft requesting the advert be amended.

I don't know about the US, but I doubt any such advert which was specifically misleading would be allowed in most EU countries. (Bear in mind, the Apple G5 commercial claiming it was the fastest PC in the world; which was stopped because even though the G5 was the fastest in most tests, it wasn't the fastest in every test.. )

Sounds like MS are just misrepresenting the situation (taking a page out of Apple's book...)
 

*LTD*

macrumors G4
Feb 5, 2009
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Canada
Yeah, and the "I'm a Mac" ads were so great. :rolleyes:

Actaully, they were. They've won numerous awards. And they were playing before and during Apple's substantial gain in market share from early 2006 onward.

Everyone recognizes the I'm a Mac/I'm a PC duo.
 

belvdr

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Aug 15, 2005
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Actaully, they were. They've won numerous awards. And they were playing before and during Apple's substantial gain in market share from early 2006 onward.

Everyone recognizes the I'm a Mac/I'm a PC duo.

So they got awards. I guess that is fair because they were well put together. But for advertising, it is just an ad. There are some movies as well that get awards where I just wonder why.

I recall the one where a Mac has fun and the PC does a spreadsheet to show its fun. That wasn't accurate either, because most, if not all gamers, use something else at some point for games. So that was a great ad? I don't think so.
 

*LTD*

macrumors G4
Feb 5, 2009
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So they got awards. I guess that is fair because they were well put together. But for advertising, it is just an ad. There are some movies as well that get awards where I just wonder why.

I recall the one where a Mac has fun and the PC does a spreadsheet to show its fun. That wasn't accurate either, because most, if not all gamers, use something else at some point for games. So that was a great ad? I don't think so.

Accuracy isn't the point of advertising.
 

belvdr

macrumors 603
Aug 15, 2005
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Accuracy isn't the point of advertising.

Okay, so why were their ads so great then and MS are not? I just look at them both and shake my head. Actually, in our house, the TV goes on mute for all commercials. :)
 

OutSpoken

macrumors 6502a
Jun 9, 2009
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Just curious - why do people explicitly point out they're not apple fan boys or that Mac's have the same junk in them as PC's but list out the 3 or 4 macs, ipods and iphones in their signature?

I didnt really think this question was in anyway directed to me...but I'd ad my 2 pennys worth.

and it's simple...

I love gadgets and I love apple products, and imo they have good marketing. I've also been interested in design since school and was always told by professionals macs are industry standard bla bla bla.. I was taught on a mac.

so naturally when I was able to afford one, I bought my very first apple G4 imac in 2002..and it's been love ever since.

But what seperates me from the fanboys is that, I'm not obsessed with the Apple brand...plus Im quite open minded, hence why I dont see these laptop hunter ads as a personal attack on me! heck I use PC's at work everyday...but go home to a mac....its no big deal to me. Its just preference.

I prefer Mac OS over Windows.

However I do believe that Apple charges a premium for their products and software thats similarly available in other more affiordable top PC's.

oh and one more thing, my sister had a 13" vaio which i was using while my superior iMac was in for waranty repair...and I have to say depsite a few vista niggles, I loved it.
 

brockm

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Oct 25, 2007
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If this is true, then it also suggests that Apple dropped it's prices in response to the Microsoft laptop hunter ads, and if that's true, then hooray for the competitive market place!

Personally I think that both the "Get a Mac" and "Laptop Hunters" ads are both half-truth and over dramatized to an extent.

My experience is that Vista for example doesn't really have half the problems with it (at least anymorec) that it's bashed for. And conversely there's a lot of reasons why Macs are worth the higher price to some consumers.

I think that Macs are partly priced the way they are because of their sexiness. But so what? We live in the age of industrial design. In fact, I paid more money for a Sony LCD display than a comparable LG just because I thought it would "look better" in my living room.

Considering we live in the age of computers, and many of us have our laptops attached to our hips... many of us do view a computer as a bit of a fashion statement. And also, software developers like myself really enjoy working on OS X, because it's such an elegant and inspirational environment to work with.

In the consumer market place, it really is a matter of "to each, his own". We all work hard for our money, and we all independently decide how we wish to spend that money in order to make ourselves happy. And since many of us, spend a large portion of our lives working on our computers, it is something where we're willing to pay for "the design".

Where as, some people are far more utilitarian. Give them a 3-year old laptop and an Ubuntu CD, and they're off to the races. That's fantastic. I'm glad there's different choices in the marketplace to suit different personalities, different interests and different needs. All of the arguments over "what's better" are moot.
 

polaris20

macrumors 68030
Jul 13, 2008
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If this is true (which I doubt) then it's pretty hypocritical of Apple, since they do the same thing in the Apple ads, probably worse.

That being said, the MS commercials are still retarded, as a good 50% aren't accurate in terms of why they chose a WinPC over a Mac, especially with the price cut.
 

Tommigun

macrumors member
Oct 15, 2008
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Helsinki, Finland
for a start who would believe anything Micro$oft say, the entire company is built on lie upon lie. I mean they even say about I.E 8, "Make your web even better", erm more like worser. Safari and firefox the best browsers on the planet.

From http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2941, to which someone here linked:

It’s really simple. Safari on the Mac is easier to exploit. The things that Windows do to make it harder (for an exploit to work), Macs don’t do. Hacking into Macs is so much easier. You don’t have to jump through hoops and deal with all the anti-exploit mitigations you’d find in Windows.

For the amount of time he spent to do what he did on IE and Firefox, he could have found and exploited five or 10 Safari bugs.


So who is basing what on a lie, exactly?
Mac OS X is by far the least secure of all the mainstream OS:s, and the only reason there's so little malware for it is that no-one gives a rat's a$$ about it due to it's miniscule market penetration. Apple hasn't added any of the anti-exploit mechanisms that MS utilizes in their OS, so calling Mac OS X secure just because people are ignoring it, *IS* basing things on a lie!
 

Wikinerd

macrumors 6502
Jan 6, 2008
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And on Vista or Windows 7 you have to bypass twice as many obstacles. There are UAC prompts and password prompts, there are IE and Google warnings about malicious sites, there are Outlook/Mail warnings about opening certain kinds of attachments...

And those UAC prompts are sometimes exactly what makes it so vulnerable. New users get irritated by the UAC then either ignores the message and click "agree" or "yes" or they just disable the UAC completely

I guess if every new user is compelled to head straight for a Russian porn/crack/serial/torrent site, click every false promise link and boldly bypass every warning on the way, it poses a problem, but otherwise no.

I've used Windows since 1992 and never got any kind of malware onto any of my machines even back when the door was wide open (Win 95/98). In order for it to happen on Vista or Win7 I'd have to actively want a malware infection in order to make it happen.

Use your brain and a healthy dose of caution and self preservation, don't be a daredevil, and you'll be fine. I.e. just approach Windows like you would anything else in life... unless you're one of those people who put on a radiation suit, a helmet and a gun holster when you go to the grocery store to pick up some bread.

Is this where I should bring in the statistics?
 

dohardthings

macrumors regular
Sep 21, 2008
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the fact is word of mouth is the best advertising and MS is failing miserably in that department and Apple is doing remarkably well in that area
 

*LTD*

macrumors G4
Feb 5, 2009
10,703
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Canada
Okay, so why were their ads so great then and MS are not? I just look at them both and shake my head. Actually, in our house, the TV goes on mute for all commercials. :)

There is a reason Apple is a branding powerhouse. Their ads work on different levels. Apple does a great job telling its brand story, which is consistent and made very clear over the long term.

Apple's ads work because the viewer sees the exchange between the two characters played out skilfully and with sly humour. They don't tell us something we don't think we already know.

More specifically, the campaign exemplifies the clever use of "framing", which is the selective control of information used to shape a viewer’s perception. A simple example is the term “tax relief.” If you have an anti-taxation agenda, “tax relief” is a much more powerful term than “tax cut” because it frames taxes as a "burden" from which people need "relief." The term assumes its own premise and thereby frames our perception.

In the “Get a Mac” campaign, Apple frames an (artificial) dualism, and then reinforces the dualism with powerful metaphors. The dualism frames two options: either you use a PC (understood to mean Windows) or a Mac. Those are your options.

To force the viewer’s decision, Apple uses the extremely dry-witted John Hodgman (who is actually the more talented of the pair) to play the part of the PC as a bland-looking, frumpy businessman. They contrast Hodgman with a relaxed, young hipster-type in the role of the Mac. On seeing the commercial, it’s clear which guy you would rather be like. The archetypal roles portraying Mac and PC ring true to real life experience, which cleverly enforces the dualism Apple is pushing.

The campaign is nothing short of absolutely brilliant advertising. It’s seemingly simple, and it’s fun and witty. It also sets up an understanding of the difference between Macs and PC’s that people readily accept, and the whole framework is extremely memorable.

Or to put it in another way, the Mac ads work so well because they frame the Mac (or the Apple product) against a product that is already perceived to be a copycat, or inferior, or less desirable in the public consciousness.

When you see John Hodgman in those ads, the first thing that comes to mind is "Yup, that's good old Windows for ya." Crashes, instability, and BSODs. Apple simply plays on the image and the prejudices that are already there. When the average person thinks Windows, they either think of the painful, boring machine they use at work, or they think of error messages, issues, viruses, or the last time they asked their "techie" friend to "clean" their computer. Windows has a lousy reputation in the consumer market and has always had image issues when compared to the Mac. It's all about what we already perceive to be the truth.
 

Xavier

macrumors demi-god
Mar 23, 2006
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Like others have said, Aplle have been running the 'I'm a Mac' ads for quite some time. Those ads target PC's.

Sorry Apple, but this one you aren't going to win. This is business.
 

hayesk

macrumors 65816
May 20, 2003
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Lawyers don't call - they send letters. Either this guy is just lying or was pranked by an Apple fanboy.

Either way, if an MS ad says a Mac is $2000 when it costs $1800 - they're lying and that is not legal. Otherwise, competitors could make up anything about each other.

Imagine an Apple ad saying: "Buy a Mac, because 9 out of 10 windows PCs catch on fire and burn your house down."
 

kamiboy

macrumors 6502
May 18, 2007
322
0
Yes, diamonds do usually fetch a higher price than fossilized turds. And apparantly a lot of idiots like them turds, they like 'em gewd!
 
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