Apple Demands Microsoft Pull Laptop Hunter Ads

[Eidorian]

Why do you care so much to slag Macs here? It's mind boggling. You're either a troll or someone that's somehow been emotionally damaged by Apple and now feels the need to act as some sort of MS evangelist on a Mac forum. I just can't figure out if it's funny or sad.

Yeah, I ignored him before, but ignoring here is like seeing the smoke from the trainwreck, but not the actual wreck. You end up walking over the hill to see the mess anyways. Still, I think I'll try it again.

True. MacRumors seriously needs to revamp their ignore/block functionality. Just don't post their name in the thread at all - that's what I'd like to see (along with a quicker/easier way to block the user).

Sadly, I still have to see their nonsense when someone else replies to them and it shows up in my email on threads I've subscribed to.

You'd be surprised at the self-loathing streak that I've noticed in plenty of Mac users here and on other boards. Sure we'll usually buy our Apple hardware but it doesn't mean we love it.

It's some sort of strange middle ground that I believe is created by the rather vocal extreme side that just loves to jump to the defense of mother Apple, etc. You don't want to be associated with it but then you get targeted by your fellow Mac users and the other extreme on the non-Apple sides.

 

[polaris20]

True. MacRumors seriously needs to revamp their ignore/block functionality. Just don't post their name in the thread at all - that's what I'd like to see (along with a quicker/easier way to block the user).

Sadly, I still have to see their nonsense when someone else replies to them and it shows up in my email on threads I've subscribed to.

I don't even subscribe to threads anymore, because after a couple pages it's the same crap over and over again anyway.

It boils down to:

1. I love Macs, and I hate Windows.
2. I love Macs, but I still like Windows and/or Linux.
3. I used to love Macs, but they scorned me and now I must troll endlessly.
4. I've never had a Mac, and never will because there's no choice, yet strangely I come here anyway (!)

You're in category 1, I'm in category 2. It's 3 and 4 that truly baffle me.

 

[polaris20]

You'd be surprised at the self-loathing streak that I've noticed in plenty of Mac users here and on other boards. Sure we'll usually buy our Apple hardware but it doesn't mean we love it.

It's some sort of strange middle ground that I believe is created by the rather vocal extreme side that just loves to jump to the defense of mother Apple, etc. You don't want to be associated with it but then you get targeted by your fellow Mac users and the other extreme on the non-Apple sides.

I'm not religious about any platform; I think I've made that pretty clear. What I will say is that I've never had any problem with OS X or my Mac, nor any of the other Macs I support (from the Mini to the Pro).

That being said, I realize that that is just a personal anecdote, as a handful of machines is not a scientific study. I realize people have had problems with OS X. It's not infallible.

Windows isn't perfect either, and shouldn't be treated as such. Linux, as amazing of a point of progress as they've made, is certainly not perfect.

People prefer what they prefer, and they generally have a good reason for it. The crusade to change people's minds is ignorant, and a profound waste of time.

 

[Eidorian]

People prefer what they prefer, and they generally have a good reason for it. The crusade to change people's minds is ignorant, and a profound waste of time.

I think it defeats the purpose to extol the virtues of OS X to people that can't afford it or can't have their goals accomplished by using it and the software on it.

I don't see a need to beat my chest over my Apple Pride™ here of all places. I'll do my damage control over elsewhere where it's needed. Believe me there's plenty of damage control I have to do. Even here.

 

[LagunaSol]

You'd be surprised at the self-loathing streak that I've noticed in plenty of Mac users here and on other boards. Sure we'll usually buy our Apple hardware but it doesn't mean we love it.

And there should be dissent. And solid discussion. Heaven knows I have plenty of gripes about Apple. But I can't voice them because I'm too busy responding to the "only idiots buy Apple crap" garbage that is constantly vomited by a growing number of griefers on this forum. And this constant counterattack makes me sound like an obsessed fanboy. Which I assume is part of their agenda.

 

[Eidorian]

And there should be dissent. And solid discussion. Heaven knows I have plenty of gripes about Apple. But I can't voice them because I'm too busy responding to the "only idiots buy Apple crap" garbage that is constantly vomited by a growing number of griefers on this forum. And this constant counterattack makes me sound like an obsessed fanboy. Which I assume is part of their agenda.

I've seen rational, reasonable criticism of Apple get lured into a shouting match as to who can prove how much more right you are than anyone else.

It's tiresomely predictable when you can call out exactly who is going to post what before they even post it in a thread. Occasionally my mind is blown when those actors don't play their parts. Another reason I don't have an ignore list anymore, again. You get so used to it and then out of the blue a reply that's so out of character. You pray for those moments.

 

[polaris20]

I've seen rational, reasonable criticism of Apple get lured into a shouting match as to who can prove how much more right you are than anyone else.

It's tiresomely predictable when you can call out exactly who is going to post what before they even post it in a thread. Occasionally my mind is blown when those actors don't play their parts. Another reason I don't have an ignore list anymore, again. You get so used to it and then out of the blue a reply that's so out of character. You pray for those moments.

Who's waiting for the big multi-quote? I know I am!

"you just can't handle the truth"

"everything is based on facts"

"OSX crashes"

"Macs are underpowered and unreliable"

lather, rinse, repeat.

 

[charlituna]

someone made a comment about the laptop folks getting what they wanted so why diss that it was a windows machine.

for the most part this is true. however, the ads still suck. they are just lame ads. they could have been done a lot cleaner and slicker and still come out the same. Microsoft and Crispin et al opened themselves up for the snark

but one ad in particular really sucks. the filmmaker. I'm sorry but that should have never been used. that woman should have never called herself a filmmaker. because very few to no film houses are using windows for film work. they are using macs with final cut studio, avid on a mac or unix/linux based render farms. I work in the industry I have seen it myself. Heck CBP (the agency that made the ads) is one of the biggest Mac using houses in the ad industry.

"and I want something to edit my home movies" should have been the line. cause yes you can totally do that on a PC. even a 7 year old can do it. we have an ad to prove it.

but seriously, with my film industry friends, that ad is a total joke.

 

[LagunaSol]

Microsoft and Crispin et al opened themselves up for the snark

Crispin Porter + Bogusky completely jumped the shark when they agreed to orchestrate Microsoft's "cool makeover." Talk about completely wrecking your brand (the ad agency - not MS, which was wrecked long ago). Nice move, Bogusky.

Epic fail.

(At least they probably got a huge paycheck out of the deal)

 

[polaris20]

I actually think that the ads are doing a great disservice to MS, in particular Windows. Why does MS have to go the cost route? Is Windows 7 not a spectacular improvement over Vista (hint: yes, it is)?

Why not compete on quality instead of cost? I know the economy is crap right now, but it won't always be the case.

Even if I were to buy a Windows laptop, I wouldn't buy a cheap POS from Best Buy. I'd buy a high quality Win-machine. Oh wait; I did. It's a Thinkpad T series.

To me, these ads are saying "buy a Windows PC; because they're cheap".

 

[DMann]

I actually think that the ads are doing a great disservice to MS, in particular Windows. Why does MS have to go the cost route? Is Windows 7 not a spectacular improvement over Vista (hint: yes, it is)?

Why not compete on quality instead of cost? I know the economy is crap right now, but it won't always be the case.

Even if I were to buy a Windows laptop, I wouldn't buy a cheap POS from Best Buy. I'd buy a high quality Win-machine. Oh wait; I did. It's a Thinkpad T series.

To me, these ads are saying "buy a Windows PC; because they're cheap".

This has all been an aimless venture for MS, especially since they do not even manufacture PCs. If they believe that OEM sales can be enticed via a lame effort to steer consumers away from Apple, by virtue of the "cheapness" of hardware, then the indirect nature of this endeavor is truly baffling, as the mere attention given to Apple's premium products amidst the lack of attention alloted toward MS's product will more than likely benefit Apple in the long run.

 

[Chappers]

Nope. The girl that was supposed to buy it, a life long Mac user, saw me playing with a Dell Studio XPS 13 with dual GPUs and Windows 7 RC1. She loved it. After a couple of hours of using it she wondered why she had stuck with Macs for all the years and promptly used her dying MacBook to order one from the Dell website. So I still have my uMB. However, it's running Windows 7 as its primary OS

I saw the pictures - the Dell XPS 13 looks fat but otherwise quite sweet but if I change I want the following.

2.53GHz dual core processor or better
Bluetooth (must have)
LED screen. MB has it - I want it.
You say Blu-ray is good - I'll have that too (how does it affect battery life?)
I don't play games.

Any draw backs ?

PS. (what will a Windows 7 upgrade cost) ? You and Polaris20 say its good - I'll take your word for it.

Whats the total price

PS. Is your MB still for sale then - how much do you want for it (or what was the previous buyer going to pay?)

 

[mosx]

Also funny how it takes you 5 days to respond to my post, and I'm the one that runs away?

Unlike some people, I don't have the luxury of sitting around all day posting on forums And yes, you have run away from arguments.

I'm a movie lover too, which is why I have a 52" HDTV to watch movies on, not a laptop.

People don't always have the luxury of watching a movie at home on a large TV. A lot of people travel a lot, students in college can't have a large TV in dorms, some people simply don't want a large TV.

You mean the debates in which you've provided no proof, but all personal anecdotes or opinions? Then whined to the moderators because people were "picking on you"?

I guess you're referring to the moderators coming after you after some of your posts? That wasn't me

All this from a guy that can't even say what industry he works in when asked to back up anything he says.....to provide one shred of credibility.

Again, I don't have to prove a single thing to some random person on a forum that has been proven wrong time and time again in endless debates.

I guess we'll be blessed with your trolling for awhile then, huh? I think what really happened is the "girl" you were going to sell the laptop from never existed, and you just love coming here and trolling.

You can think whatever you want. She backed out of the sale. End of story. She realized Macs were not worth the money and shes happier now with her PC than she ever had been with a Mac. Even though I lost out on getting rid of my Mac, I'm happy for her because shes finally happy with a properly functioning computer.

The 15" MBP for $2000 is the best laptop FOR ME. I'm not trying to talk other people into buying one; I couldn't care less what computer someone buys.

Thats good for you that you like to be ripped off. It might be "the best for you", but as a computer goes, it's not even half of what a system costing half as much is. So if you feel that over spending by about $1,300 is the best option for you, then good for you. The rest of the world will stick to more powerful and cheaper hardware that runs a more stable OS.

Why do you care so much to slag Macs here? It's mind boggling. You're either a troll or someone that's somehow been emotionally damaged by Apple and now feels the need to act as some sort of MS evangelist on a Mac forum.

Irony at its finest.

I don't "slag" Macs. I simply tell the truth.

I saw the pictures - the Dell XPS 13 looks fat but otherwise quite sweet but if I change I want the following.

2.53GHz dual core processor or better
Bluetooth (must have)
LED screen. MB has it - I want it.
You say Blu-ray is good - I'll have that too (how does it affect battery life?)
I don't play games.

Blu-ray isn't available on the Dell Studio XPS 13. But in my experience, most PCs can play through a full movie while playing blu-ray discs.

Dell offers up to a 2.8GHz processor on the Studio XPS 13, as well as Bluetooth and an LED backlit screen.

However, there are some things to realize. Bluetooth is useless. I've had it on PCs for more than 4 years now and I've NEVER used it other than my MX5000 and MX5500 keyboard and mouse sets. I tried using the built-in bluetooth in the Mac for that and I get constant signal drops. It's ridiculous.

The LED screen also provides no visible increase in quality over a CCFL screen other than "instant on". Apple (and Dell) use edge-lit LED screens, so all you're getting is an instant on back light and and a slightly thinner display. You're not getting ANY visual enhancements.

PS. Is your MB still for sale then - how much do you want for it (or what was the previous buyer going to pay?)

Right now its living quite happily as a Windows 7 system with Boot Camp 3. I'm debating on whether or not to cover up the Apple logos and use it as a Windows only system or try to sell it again.

 

[Darth.Titan]

Took you over a month to write that?

 

[polaris20]

Unlike some people, I don't have the luxury of sitting around all day posting on forums And yes, you have run away from arguments.



People don't always have the luxury of watching a movie at home on a large TV. A lot of people travel a lot, students in college can't have a large TV in dorms, some people simply don't want a large TV.



I guess you're referring to the moderators coming after you after some of your posts? That wasn't me



Again, I don't have to prove a single thing to some random person on a forum that has been proven wrong time and time again in endless debates.



You can think whatever you want. She backed out of the sale. End of story. She realized Macs were not worth the money and shes happier now with her PC than she ever had been with a Mac. Even though I lost out on getting rid of my Mac, I'm happy for her because shes finally happy with a properly functioning computer.



Thats good for you that you like to be ripped off. It might be "the best for you", but as a computer goes, it's not even half of what a system costing half as much is. So if you feel that over spending by about $1,300 is the best option for you, then good for you. The rest of the world will stick to more powerful and cheaper hardware that runs a more stable OS.



Irony at its finest.

I don't "slag" Macs. I simply tell the truth.



Blu-ray isn't available on the Dell Studio XPS 13. But in my experience, most PCs can play through a full movie while playing blu-ray discs.

Dell offers up to a 2.8GHz processor on the Studio XPS 13, as well as Bluetooth and an LED backlit screen.

However, there are some things to realize. Bluetooth is useless. I've had it on PCs for more than 4 years now and I've NEVER used it other than my MX5000 and MX5500 keyboard and mouse sets. I tried using the built-in bluetooth in the Mac for that and I get constant signal drops. It's ridiculous.

The LED screen also provides no visible increase in quality over a CCFL screen other than "instant on". Apple (and Dell) use edge-lit LED screens, so all you're getting is an instant on back light and and a slightly thinner display. You're not getting ANY visual enhancements.



Right now its living quite happily as a Windows 7 system with Boot Camp 3. I'm debating on whether or not to cover up the Apple logos and use it as a Windows only system or try to sell it again.

HAHA welcome back. I must say, not up to your usual standards, especially having ran away for over a month (speaking of irony). What's a matter, did you go crying to a moderator and they refused to do anything for you?

As usual, the same opinions as fact, complete misunderstanding of what a personal anecdote is, and fear of exposing their complete lack of qualification by stating what field of profession they're in.

Let's be more creative next time, huh Mosx?

And as far as the difference between CCFL and LED backlit screens, having had two T400 Thinkpads side by side, as well as W500's, R400's, and an X301 all with mixtures of CCFL and LED, I'd say that you need to get your eyes checked. LED is definitely better, in my opinion. I say opinion, because while I've clearly seen more computers than you have, I still actually comprehend what a personal anecdote is.

And I use Bluetooth everyday on Mac, Linux, and Windows 7. I don't see what's so useless about it. Oh wait, that's right; you don't like it, therefore it's useless. Classic Mosx Logic.

Again, welcome back! We missed you!! Please, don't make it so long between posts. It's been too long.

 

[LagunaSol]

Oh wait, that's right; you don't like it, therefore it's useless. Classic Mosx Logic.

Why are people still feeding the bitter Apple hating trolls?

 

[polaris20]

Why are people still feeding the bitter Apple hating trolls?

Because the comedic value still holds up for me, and he'll post anyway, so might as well make the most of it!

I sure hope for 2010 he gets a new playbook though. Some of these posts are starting to run together. I can nearly post for him now, as it's always the same canned response.

 

[Chappers]

Blu-ray isn't available on the Dell Studio XPS 13. But in my experience, most PCs can play through a full movie while playing blu-ray discs.

Dell offers up to a 2.8GHz processor on the Studio XPS 13, as well as Bluetooth and an LED backlit screen.

However, there are some things to realize. Bluetooth is useless. I've had it on PCs for more than 4 years now and I've NEVER used it other than my MX5000 and MX5500 keyboard and mouse sets. I tried using the built-in bluetooth in the Mac for that and I get constant signal drops. It's ridiculous.

The LED screen also provides no visible increase in quality over a CCFL screen other than "instant on". Apple (and Dell) use edge-lit LED screens, so all you're getting is an instant on back light and and a slightly thinner display. You're not getting ANY visual enhancements.



Right now its living quite happily as a Windows 7 system with Boot Camp 3. I'm debating on whether or not to cover up the Apple logos and use it as a Windows only system or try to sell it again.

Not wishing to argue a point but you've used BT for keyboard and mouse sets - so its not useless. Also I use it almost everyday so it's not useless.
So if you finally want to help - tell me how a Dell Studio XPS 13 will cost with the features I asked you for- also without the slot drive but with a tray drive ( I know you hate slot drives)

I'm serious about buying a PC - I need one for postgraduate studies - and this Dell looks good and your friend bought one on your recommendation - so it must be good.
I've described what I need - what will it cost?

And how much for your unibody MB?

 

[polaris20]

Not wishing to argue a point but you've used BT for keyboard and mouse sets - so its not useless. Also I use it almost everyday so it's not useless.
So if you finally want to help - tell me how a Dell Studio XPS 13 will cost with the features I asked you for- also without the slot drive but with a tray drive ( I know you hate slot drives)

I'm serious about buying a PC - I need one for postgraduate studies - and this Dell looks good and your friend bought one on your recommendation - so it must be good.
I've described what I need - what will it cost?

And how much for your unibody MB?

The XPS 13 configured as the 2.53Ghz MBP is would run you about $1200, $300 less than the MBP. Though since this is for school, subtract $100 from the MBP like I did (also doing graduate work).

We had one of these in a few weeks ago; an employee brought their personal XPS13 in for us to take a look at. It's not a bad box, albeit a bit cheap feeling as most Dells are. Feels like a $600 machine, not $1200.

If you're looking for a quality Win machine in the range of a MBP or so, go Thinkpad. There really is no other brand IMO for Windows laptops.

A T400 configured identically configured to the Dell or MBP13 2.53Ghz is also around $1200, has a dedicated ATI Radeon, and just blows the Dell away in construction, and will definitely last longer than the Dell. It's just a quality machine that will run Win7 beautifully.

 

[Chappers]

Thanks for that Polaris - at least you helped.

mosx was probably too busy installing Snow Leopard and obviously complaining about it.

 

[polaris20]

Thanks for that Polaris - at least you helped.

mosx was probably too busy installing Snow Leopard and obviously complaining about it.

Yeah, we've gotta have close to a hundred of the Thinkpads deployed now; mix of R's, T's, and W series workstations, and a couple X's too. They're far superior to any Dell I've worked with in the past, and light years ahead of the glorified paperweights that the HP's are.

Out of all the Thinkpads, I've only had a couple warranty calls, and they were for keyboard replacement and hard drive replacement; didn't have to send anything out.