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For those who participated in the beta, did it run better that the GM?(differences in speed/battery)

  • Yes, betas were better.

    Votes: 54 24.8%
  • No, same performance, or GM is better.

    Votes: 164 75.2%

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I7guy

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If you didn't notice any slowdown before how can you notice an improvement? Most people found their 6s slowed down first and on further investigation it was discovered to be a result of battery wear. The intentional slowdown is backed by numbers.

Prior to battery replacement, the 6s scores are as low as the 6
There wasn’t a slowdown prior nor an improvement after. Iow phone was operating as it should except with a decaying battery. QED: nothing has been proved except the battery died.

Edit: seems like back to anecdotal “proof” by someone else now becomes an internet “fact” for all. Yep, indeedy.
 
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PMR

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If you didn't notice any slowdown before how can you notice an improvement? Most people found their 6s slowed down first and on further investigation it was discovered to be a result of battery wear. The intentional slowdown is backed by numbers.

Prior to battery replacement, the 6s scores are as low as the 6

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Did you replace the battery through Apple or any other store or yourself?
What I want to know is if the new battery is original or oem compliant. My brother changed his iPhone 6 battery with a cheap eBay one and the clock speeds are low even at 100%. Plus, battery usage shows nothing in settings.
 

Radon87000

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There wasn’t a slowdown prior nor an improvement after. Iow phone was operating as it should except with a decaying battery. QED: nothing has been proved except the battery died.

Edit: seems like back to anecdotal “proof” by someone else now becomes an internet “fact” for all. Yep, indeedy.
You are now bringing your anecdotal experience into this. There is nothing anecdotal about geekbench scores. That Reddit thread has many users showing screenshots of how geekbench scores skyrocketed after replacing the battery from an Apple Store. If we are talking anecdotal experience, I notice a lot of lag on my 7 after upgrading to 11. Perhaps you won't but in the case of the 6s benchmarks are undeniable facts.

And since you were holding that futuremark benchmark as a counter to planned obsolescence a few days ago, this completely disproves it as it seems even geekbench scores ar eaffected now.
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Did you replace the battery through Apple or any other store or yourself?
What I want to know is if the new battery is original or oem compliant. My brother changed his iPhone 6 battery with a cheap eBay one and the clock speeds are low even at 100%. Plus, battery usage shows nothing in settings.
It's not my 6s. The guy says he replaced it at the Apple Store in his post.
 
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I7guy

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You are now bringing your anecdotal experience into this. There is nothing anecdotal about geekbench scores.
As you are attempting to use one anecdotal geekbench score as proof. Still anecdotal.
And since you were holding that futuremark benchmark as a counter to planned obsolescence a few days ago, this completely disproves it as it seems even geekbench scores ar eaffected now.
Still anecdotal, and there is no getting away from it.
 

Radon87000

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As you are attempting to use one anecdotal geekbench score as proof. Still anecdotal.

Still anecdotal, and there is no getting away from it.
Why does the guy have to pay to get this fixed when it's not his fault in the first place?And how many anecdotal experiences need to be established before a problem is defined? Because that statement can be used even if 1 customer doesn't have an issue out of 999 customers.
 

I7guy

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Why does the guy have to pay to get this fixed when it's not his fault in the first place?And how many anecdotal experiences need to be established before a problem is defined? Because that statement can be used even if 1 customer doesn't have an issue out of 999 customers.
Mine was fixed for free.

If one are going to make a blanket statement there has to be proof. Anecdotal doesn’t cut it. As long as at least one person at least anecdotally disproves a blanket statement there is no proof positive only an unsubstantiated opinion.
 

Radon87000

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Mine was fixed for free.

If one are going to make a blanket statement there has to be proof. Anecdotal doesn’t cut it. As long as at least one person at least anecdotally disproves a blanket statement there is no proof positive only an unsubstantiated opinion.
Well then we can clearly state that the Note 7 didn't need to be recalled nor was there an issue as long as there was 1 person on this planet whose phone didn't catch fire. The Pixel display is not problematic as long as there is 1 person on this planet who got a unicorn? Is this what's being suggested?

There were plenty of customers who paid to get it fixed.
 

I7guy

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Well then we can clearly state that the Note 7 didn't need to be recalled nor was there an issue as long as there was 1 person on this planet whose phone didn't catch fire. The Pixel display is not problematic as long as there is 1 person on this planet who got a unicorn? Is this what's being suggested?

There were plenty of customers who paid to get it fixed.
Apples and oranges. One can’t prove every note 7 battery would explode but that is not what recalls are about.

There is no proof anecdotal or otherwise of this issue. Dots were connected that weren’t there. You can convince yourself Apple was nefarious but it still doesn’t prove it as in the court of law proof.
 

C DM

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With news about Apple slowing down older iPhones with battery Wear, it's clear planned obsolescence exists at Apple.
Wouldn't it be even better not to slow anything down and make the phone run out of battery in mere hours instead as that would be quite inconvenient for people to get them to buy new devices?
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We’ll its happening on quite a lot of 6s users in that Reddit thread. Geekbench scores are evidence of this.

So we now have 2 instances of clear planned obsolescence by Apple.

iPhone 6- Touch Disease/ Throttlegate
iPhone 6s- Throttlegate
iPhone7/8/X- TBD. (Maybe a few years down the line)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor
 
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Radon87000

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Apples and oranges. One can’t prove every note 7 battery would explode but that is not what recalls are about.

There is no proof anecdotal or otherwise of this issue. Dots were connected that weren’t there. You can convince yourself Apple was nefarious but it still doesn’t prove it as in the court of law proof.
Then arent those customers who are having the issue entitled to a free replacement for the lifetime of their device for this particular defect or should they be thrown to the wayside because note every 6s has this? As has been posted so many times, even if a small userbase upgrades because of planned obsolescence its a win

Wouldn't it be even better not to slow anything down and make the phone run out of battery in mere hours instead as that would be quite inconvenient for people to get them to buy new devices?
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor

Apple has to be very subtle in this. They are not going to shut down the phone. Its just going to be some nudges here and there to upgrade
 

Radon87000

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The only part about this thread that makes no sense to me is all the “I can prove Apple does this deliberately”. No you can’t. Nobody can prove where apathy ends and malice begins unless they work at Apple.
They are intentionally apathetic and this can be malice. They dont bother optimising for older devices so the owners of the older iPhones feel frustrated and get a newer phone believing theirs to be old. This news break is case in point. They underclocked the CPU of the 6s not giving a damn about the performance of a year old phone for the 6s users and now they are asking the customers to pay for a new battery or get a newer iPhone instead of a recall which is their own fault in the first place.

They cheapened out with the screen on the 6 and asked their users to pay
They cheapened out with the batteries on the 6s/6 and asked their users to pay.

I bet something is wrong with the 7 and 8 and X as well which will come to light a few years down the line
 

C DM

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Then arent those customers who are having the issue entitled to a free replacement for the lifetime of their device for this particular defect or should they be thrown to the wayside because note every 6s has this? As has been posted so many times, even if a small userbase upgrades because of planned obsolescence its a win



Apple has to be very subtle in this. They are not going to shut down the phone. Its just going to be some nudges here and there to upgrade
There is nothing to be subtle about. They don't have to do anything at all for the worn out batteries not to perform well and keep up win the regular performance. It's simpler and better as far as getting them to the goal of getting people to upgrade. Unless you are saying that there isn't just some malicious conspiracy in play but it's specifically more wasteful and complicated to be less impactful than simply not planning or doing anything at all. The logic not only doesn't add up there, it's simply not present in all of that.
 

Zaft

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They are intentionally apathetic and this can be malice. They dont bother optimising for older devices so the owners of the older iPhones feel frustrated and get a newer phone believing theirs to be old. This news break is case in point. They underclocked the CPU of the 6s not giving a damn about the performance of a year old phone for the 6s users and now they are asking the customers to pay for a new battery or get a newer iPhone instead of a recall which is their own fault in the first place.

They cheapened out with the screen on the 6 and asked their users to pay
They cheapened out with the batteries on the 6s/6 and asked their users to pay.

I bet something is wrong with the 7 and 8 and X as well which will come to light a few years down the line
This seems to be an issue with the 6S. iPhone 6 and 7 are unaffected it seems.
 

C DM

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They are intentionally apathetic and this can be malice. They dont bother optimising for older devices so the owners of the older iPhones feel frustrated and get a newer phone believing theirs to be old. This news break is case in point. They underclocked the CPU of the 6s not giving a damn about the performance of a year old phone for the 6s users and now they are asking the customers to pay for a new battery or get a newer iPhone instead of a recall which is their own fault in the first place.

They cheapened out with the screen on the 6 and asked their users to pay
They cheapened out with the batteries on the 6s/6 and asked their users to pay.

I bet something is wrong with the 7 and 8 and X as well which will come to light a few years down the line
Yeah, that doesn't prove some sort of malicious conspiracy. But we all know that since we've all covered it many times before.
 

Michael Goff

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They are intentionally apathetic and this can be malice. They dont bother optimising for older devices so the owners of the older iPhones feel frustrated and get a newer phone believing theirs to be old. This news break is case in point. They underclocked the CPU of the 6s not giving a damn about the performance of a year old phone for the 6s users and now they are asking the customers to pay for a new battery or get a newer iPhone instead of a recall which is their own fault in the first place.

They cheapened out with the screen on the 6 and asked their users to pay
They cheapened out with the batteries on the 6s/6 and asked their users to pay.

I bet something is wrong with the 7 and 8 and X as well which will come to light a few years down the line

If I believed so many bad things about a company as you do, I’d stop giving them my money.
 
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I7guy

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Then arent those customers who are having the issue entitled to a free replacement for the lifetime of their device for this particular defect or should they be thrown to the wayside because note every 6s has this? As has been posted so many times, even if a small userbase upgrades because of planned obsolescence its a win
Since planned obsolescence doesn’t exist within Apple products and you can’t prove why anybody upgrades this is just hyperbole plain and simple.

Apple has to be very subtle in this. They are not going to shut down the phone. Its just going to be some nudges here and there to upgrade
Can you prove any of this?
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Also one user on an iPhone 7 also reporting this on a degraded battery
One user out of 90 million doesn’t seem like a trend to me. In fact it’s the perfect definition of anecdotal.
 

Act3

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Wouldn't it be even better not to slow anything down and make the phone run out of battery in mere hours instead as that would be quite inconvenient for people to get them to buy new devices?

A simple notification would be best , to let a user know his or her device is crippled due to poor battery health. Gives the consumer the option to either get new battery , get new phone, or just deal with why device is running slower.
 

C DM

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A simple notification would be best , to let a user know his or her device is crippled due to poor battery health. Gives the consumer the option to either get new battery , get new phone, or just deal with why device is running slower.
Sure, but all that is separate from what I was trying to point out in relation to the whole supposed malicious conspiracy part of it all.
 
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Luiggi7

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Yesterday I was testing and i was unable to see more than 1400 MHz although the battery were at 100%, even with the iPhone plugged...

What does it mean? Is my battery so poor quality that even plugged my iPhone works only at 75% speed max????

Do you really think if I change my battery for a new one my iPhone's performance will get better?
 

akash.nu

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Yesterday I was testing and i was unable to see more than 1400 MHz although the battery were at 100%, even with the iPhone plugged...

What does it mean? Is my battery so poor quality that even plugged my iPhone works only at 75% speed max????

Do you really think if I change my battery for a new one my iPhone's performance will get better?

Battery and performance is not related.
 
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