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Tsepz

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Max Tech on YouTube assume that Apple mentioned the A14 CPU is 40% better and GPU is 30% better than the previous model, is based on the previous iPad Air 3’s A12 performance, not the A12X/Z on the iPad Pros.

If that’s the case, Max Tech did the math and came out with these graphics:

*Looks like on the CPU chart the A14 graphic is off, but the number should be correct.

View attachment 954501 View attachment 954498
Yep, here is another comparison with A12Z as well, don’t know what the OP was complaining about because it seems A12Z is still significantly more powerful in graphics and multi core, the A14 is better in Single Core which was expe.
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macdogpro

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Yep, here is another comparison with A12Z as well, don’t know what the OP was complaining about because it seems A12Z is still significantly more powerful in graphics and multi core, the A14 is better in Single Core which was expe.
View attachment 955059

Yeah everyone seems to complain about this is the first time Apple release a lower class device with better performance than it’s superior model, well, it’s not. The Pro still has some advantages.

And no, it’s not the first time either. Look at the current iMac 2020 and the latest iMac Pro. The regular iMac smokes it.
It’s technology, can’t be avoided.

As long Apple doesn’t release a new iPad Pro this year, then everyone should chill.
 
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Tsepz

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Yeah everyone seems to complain about this is the first time Apple release a lower class device with better performance than it’s superior model, well, it’s not. The Pro still has some advantages.

And no, it’s not the first time either. Look at the current iMac 2020 and the latest iMac Pro. The regular iMac smokes it.
It’s technology, can’t be avoided.

As long Apple doesn’t release a new iPad Pro this year, then everyone should chill.
Indeed, we are all fortunate enough to own these beasts, that barely take advantage of their power ?

If what I have discovered in my years of owning iPads is that these chips are already far more powerful than they need to be, the big area of concern is always RAM, RAM seems to strongly define the longevity of all iOS devices, if the RAM is not enough there is only so much a Powerful SoC can do.

The OG 2015 iPad Pro has survived very long thanks to it’s 4GB RAM despite its old A9X SoC. The 2020 iPad Pro range will probably see similar longevity thanks to its 6GB RAM, along with the 1TB 2018 iPad Pro.
I am betting the Air 2020 is probably rocking 4GB RAM, but let’s wait and see final details.
 
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PBMB

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I am pi**ed off! Apple just introduced Apple Air that is more powerful than my iPad Pro 2020. Really cannot understand this. They should include Bionic A14 is iPad Pro. What are your thoughts?
I see that the estimated delivery for iPad Pro in my country and many others around (all in Europe) is after mid-October. I don't know if this means anything but I hope so, because my order (through work, placed in August!) was just cancelled because there is no stock available before that time. Perhaps a new iPad Pro is coming soon through a silent specification update.
 
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Yep, here is another comparison with A12Z as well, don’t know what the OP was complaining about because it seems A12Z is still significantly more powerful in graphics and multi core, the A14 is better in Single Core which was expe.
View attachment 955059

This makes perfect sense. It's like the mini only getting an A12, and not an X/Z. I imagine the next iPad Pro will get the A14X/Z and have both great single and multi core perf.

Hot Take: I like the new air, but I think they'll flop. All the people not affected by the covid-recession are crushing their IRA/401ks and would only buy the iPadPro with their disposable income... All the people that are affected by the covid-recession won't be buying any iPads at all. I think covid is thinning the ranks of the middle class 'air' buyers.
 

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I think most customers will perceive this move by Apple poorly. But they have a history of doing this with the iPad line ... just releasing massive new chip revs without concern for how it positions other products in the lineup.

If had bought a NEW 2020 iPad Pro, I would be somewhat upset. I would have preferred they just wait until the A14 is out rather than get sold a 2 year old chip. But I don't find new iPad's worthwhile anymore, so I tend to go refurb.

This is my issue. So the IPad Pro 2020 was released back this spring. The same year as the Air which is now has a newer chip. Why would you not wait on the Pro 2020 and make it the same chip?

I bought the pro 2020 back in May, and I could not believe the Air got the A14. All of the people here saying we shouldn’t be surprised. Yeah This look very poor on Apples part. This would be like Apple releasing the iPhone 12 pro with A14 in October, and then come January they release the iPhone 12 with an A16 and almost off the cost. How does that make any sense?
 

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It seems the iPad Air 2020 , has already made the iPad Pro 11 inch 2020 disappeared from the Australia Apple online store.

Only iPad Pro 12.9inch 2020
 

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I am pi**ed off! Apple just introduced Apple Air that is more powerful than my iPad Pro 2020. Really cannot understand this. They should include Bionic A14 is iPad Pro. What are your thoughts?
Did your iPad Pro suddenly stop working or unable to do the same tasks it was doing before this announcement?

There is no need to be mad at Apple. Technology changes and Apple is always releasing new variants of products. You know this. Be mad at yourself for getting mad over something so trivial.
 
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doboy

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This is my issue. So the IPad Pro 2020 was released back this spring. The same year as the Air which is now has a newer chip. Why would you not wait on the Pro 2020 and make it the same chip?

I bought the pro 2020 back in May, and I could not believe the Air got the A14. All of the people here saying we shouldn’t be surprised. Yeah This look very poor on Apples part. This would be like Apple releasing the iPhone 12 pro with A14 in October, and then come January they release the iPhone 12 with an A16 and almost off the cost. How does that make any sense?
Come on, you knew 2020 Pro had pretty much the same processor as the 2018 Pro and you still bought it so you made your bed.
 
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EugW

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It seems the iPad Air 2020 , has already made the iPad Pro 11 inch 2020 disappeared from the Australia Apple online store.
The 11" Pro is still here in Canada.

Same in the US.

EDIT:

I just checked the Australia store, and it's still there too.

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Come on, you knew 2020 Pro had pretty much the same processor as the 2018 Pro and you still bought it so made your bed.

That has nothing to do with what I am saying. There would be a lot more hell raised if this happened with the iPhone. I don’t care that it’s only a slight upgrade from the 2018 iPad Pro processor. Putting a newer faster chip in a midrange lower priced iPad is ridiculous. Your most expensive highest priced iPad should be the top of the line best speced piece of kit. This completely takes away from what Apple says the pro model is. Why would anyone now want to pay for the pro?
 

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Really I think Apple shouldn’t have released the 2020 Pro at all. The poster has a point in that you would expect the Pro to unquestionably have the best processor at all times. Pros had A9X and it took until 2017 for the standard A9 to go into the base model, and once the Pros went A10X it was the best part of a year before the A10 got to the base iPad. The Air 3/Mini 5 getting the A12 in 2019 took everyone by surprise, as the gap was shorter still.

I don’t think anyone expected an upgraded Air to get the 6th/7th Gen treatment in using the same processor, so it was always going to be ahead of the Pro A series wise. I think the A13 was expected, so this was always going to happen as an A13X doesn’t exist. Again the Air was given more of an upgrade than anticipated, causing Pro owners to feel short changed. That the Air gets an A series that hasn’t even launched in the flagship iPhone rubs more salt into the wound - why would they not launch a new chip generation in a ~£1000 iPad then?

As I think I’ve said before, I don’t think Apple will now sell many 2020 Pros. This might be why it seems to be the only iPad now getting the free AirPods. People will buy the Pro 2018 or the Air 4, or wait for the next Pro.
 
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rui no onna

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That has nothing to do with what I am saying. There would be a lot more hell raised if this happened with the iPhone.
I'd like to point out that it already has. Twice that I can remember at least.

iPhone SE (2016) $399
iPhone 6 $549
iPhone 6s $649

iPhone SE (2020) $399
iPhone XR $599
iPhone 11 $699

With that said, neither the iPhone 6 nor the XR were new releases.
 
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I'd like to point out that it already has. Twice that I can remember at least.

iPhone SE (2016) $399
iPhone 6 $549
iPhone 6s $649

iPhone SE (2020) $399
iPhone XR $599
iPhone 11 $699

The iPhone XR and the iPhone 11 were both budget phones. Not the top of the line iPhone.
 

rui no onna

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The iPhone XR and the iPhone 11 were both budget phones. Not the top of the line iPhone.
Hmm, true. Apple has thus far always discontinued top tier $1K iPhones (X, XS/XS Max) when they release the new models.

XR and 11 are more mid-tier than budget though.
 

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Hmm, true. Apple has thus far always discontinued top tier $1K iPhones (X, XS/XS Max) when they release the new models.

XR and 11 are more mid-tier than budget though.

They are midrange no doubt, but this is a different level with the iPad. The pro is suppose to be the laptop replacement. How is it not the top speced iPad in the line up? It was released in the same calendar year. I could understand if the iPad Pro was released last September, but it was only a few months ago.
 

EugW

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As I think I’ve said before, I don’t think Apple will now sell many 2020 Pros. This might be why it seems to be the only iPad now getting the free AirPods. People will buy the Pro 2018 or the Air 4, or wait for the next Pro.
The iPad Air 3 still qualifies for the free AirPods, if you can find it that is.

And I wouldn't buy the Pro 2018 in 2020 unless it was really cheap.
 
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doboy

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That has nothing to do with what I am saying. There would be a lot more hell raised if this happened with the iPhone. I don’t care that it’s only a slight upgrade from the 2018 iPad Pro processor. Putting a newer faster chip in a midrange lower priced iPad is ridiculous. Your most expensive highest priced iPad should be the top of the line best speced piece of kit. This completely takes away from what Apple says the pro model is. Why would anyone now want to pay for the pro?
Well the chip wasn't and maybe still isn't ready for the iPad Pro. Apple doesn't routinely do this so it's an outlier likely due to COVID. Just move let it go and move on.
 

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Well the chip wasn't and maybe still isn't ready for the iPad Pro. Apple doesn't routinely do this so it's an outlier likely due to COVID. Just move let it go and move on.

Did anyone make you discuss this topic in this thread? I love when people like you come in threads and tell people “just move (should be on) let it go and move”. Why are you here? How about you move on from this thread? You have nothing productive to add to it.

And if it wasn’t ready for the pro, how would it be ready for the Air. That makes zero sense at all.
 
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