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Radon87000

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I recall similar things being posted when iOS 10.0 was released (compared to latest version of iOS 9) and when iOS 9.0 released (compared to latest version of iOS 8), etc. And here were are.
As I recall the only way I got it fixed was by buying a new device. Who wants to bet the 8 and X don’t have this lag?
 

C DM

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As I recall the only way I got it fixed was by buying a new device. Who wants to bet the 8 and X don’t have this lag?
Considering most people aren't noticing these kinds of things (as similar threads each year seem to show) and most of those who complain about them seem to move on and then even praise later updates of that same major iOS version, seems like it's ultimately essentially a non-issue for the vast majority.
 

Nisaja

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Guys, let's get back on topic!

Everyone should watch this video.
Skip to 3:05


I guess the iPhone 8 has the lag after all
 

imagineadam

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Guys, let's get back on topic!

Everyone should watch this video.
Skip to 3:05


I guess the iPhone 8 has the lag after all
Hmmmm... I'm starting to think this as well based on videos I've seen. Check out this one. Skip to about 3:10 when he starts hoping around the UI some. Looks to me like the delay is a design timing choice. I'm not a fan if this is true. Why do they want to wreck the perfectly awesome feel we had with iOS 10?!?!?

 
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Nisaja

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Hmmmm... I'm starting to think this as well based on videos I've seen. Check out this one. Skip to about 3:10 when he starts hoping around the UI some. Looks to me like the delay is a design timing choice. I'm not a fan if this is true. Why do they want to wreck the perfectly awesome feel we had with iOS 10?!?!?


Whoa. How did I miss this video. Yeah it seems like it has the lag. Maybe not as much as the 7. But it has it.
 

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Yeah, I noticed a slight lag immediately. iPhone 7 here. It’s small lag but it is definitely there.

It’s really not the first time that Apple artificially slows animations. I remember back in the days of the iPhone 3GS or so there was a jailbroken app that would allow you to speed up transitions between pages (ie going from app to home screen or going through the settings menu). Speeding it up made you realize just how slow the default transition animations were and there didn’t seem to be any functional reason why they couldn’t be faster, as remedied by the jailbroken app.

Anyway, quitting apps does seem to have a slight lag. Who knows the reasoning that’s really behind that.
 
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imagineadam

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Apple must feel that the animation starting after the click immediately (on iPhone 7) is too fast for most users so they have opted to bring the timing feel of the physical button to the iPhone 7/8 again.

What a bummer. This is going to keep me from upgrading. I really love the feel of my 7's home button on iOS 10 too much to give it up. It's the first thing I noticed from going from the 6 to the 7. That speedy home button! Now it's been neutered in iOS 11.
 
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Radon87000

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Considering most people aren't noticing these kinds of things (as similar threads each year seem to show) and most of those who complain about them seem to move on and then even praise later updates of that same major iOS version, seems like it's ultimately essentially a non-issue for the vast majority.
My dad doesn't notice a difference between the 5c and the 6 as regards speed. Says it isn't a big deal. Doesn't make it true though.


Dude, take off the tin foil hat and relax. I really don't think Apple is doing it. First, let's take a look at the line up right now. It's pretty well segmented with an offering for just about every budget. Imagine a standard curve. The pointy middle part is probably iPhone 8, maybe iPhone 7. The right fringe will be the iPhone X. As percentage of sales, all other models will outsell the X by a good margin. So, why would Apple jeopardize the experience of the vast majority of its users just to send a message about one minor feature of the most expensive item in the lineup? They wouldn't...
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You make a great point. I reported heat and battery drain issues earlier and someone pointed out that the phone is indexing. It makes sense. People are getting a little paranoid.
Apple wants everyone to buy the X which is why the lower models are hampered. The X doesn't have a home button and conveniently the home button has been wrecked in iOS 11
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Whoa. How did I miss this video. Yeah it seems like it has the lag. Maybe not as much as the 7. But it has it.
This just proves Apple wants everyone to buy the X. The input response time on the X will be phenomenal compared to this.
 
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C DM

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My dad doesn't notice a difference between the 5c and the 6 as regards speed. Says it isn't a big deal. Doesn't make it true though.



Apple wants everyone to buy the X which is why the lower models are hampered. The X doesn't have a home button and conveniently the home button has been wrecked in iOS 11
Given that the experience you described when it comes to your dad is basically one that applies to the vast majority of typical users, seems like Apple’s plan if everyone to buy the latest a greatest phone by “hampering” the “lower” models isn’t such a sound plan after all. So much for that.
 

jon3543

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Apple must feel that the animation starting after the click immediately (on iPhone 7) is too fast for most users so they have opted to bring the timing feel of the physical button to the iPhone 7/8 again.

The only thing that makes it an issue is the exaggeration of the animation and motion effects. I had no problem with my 7 and iOS 10, but I had to turn on Reduce Motion in iOS 11, because it was so distracting. That it takes a fraction of a second longer makes no difference to me. I doubt I would have noticed it except for the animation differences.
 

BAZ1307

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The delay looks to be because Apple has decided to speed up the multitasking and make the animation a lot smoother. I remember on iOS10, quitting an app was instant, however accessing the multitasking by double clicking would often lead to the app quitting before showing multitasking, or sometimes you’d get a half animation of an app closing before the multitasking showed.

Now in iOS11, in typical Apple fashion, the animation of multitasking runs flawlessly, at the expense of delaying the single press action (home) until the system knows you definitely aren’t going to double-click. Seriously, try double-clicking and tapping your open apps a few times, it’s a LOT quicker.

I suppose this is what happens when you have 3 different uses for a single button (home, multitasking and siri).
 

simonmet

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If Apple came out and said they added such-and-such a delay for such-and-such a reason maybe that reason would make sense or at least go some of the way towards addressing negative perceptions.

But no, in their infinite wisdom Apple decides that secrecy and lack of communication about their software development is best and that users don’t require or deserve an explanation for most things.

This is where the Apple Way™ just doesn’t make sense to me. Apple knows best and users will only have the options we think they should have.

I think the delay needs to be shortened by about half, or at least give us the option to do so!
 
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C DM

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If Apple came out and said they added such-and-such a delay for such-and-such a reason maybe that reason would make sense or at least go some way in addressing negative perceptions.

But no, in their infinite wisdom Apple decides that secrecy and lack of communication about their software development is best and that users don’t require or deserve an explanation for most things.
Which is pretty much the norm as far as things for for petty much all products.
 

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Yes, Apple Maps 1.0 was great.

To be fair, we don't know who's fault that was internally. Maybe Forstall was pushed into getting something impossibly difficult done.
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No ones perfect, but IMO Scott would have been better than Cook.

I don't know. Cook is probably the better person to be in control. I think he's made some good decisions overall, and is clearly a even minded person, but I'd take Forstall's software UX design's over Ive's, skeumorphism and all.

This is all I see: https://jonyiveredesignsthings.tumblr.com/
 

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Why every year do people not get or realise that it takes at least a X.2 or X.3 update for iOS to become as smooth as the last released version of the previous years iOS? Soon the forums will be flooded with posts and threads about how much faster 11.1 is, then how much smoother 11.2 is, then 11.3.
To those who keep complaining - maybe just wait to 11.3 and save yourselves and us all the bother of reading about your disgruntlement.
 

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But iOS pre v7 was definitely more enjoyable to use. Every UI interaction was natural and logical.

Completely agree, at least in terms of polish. Pre-iOS 7 everything felt a lot more solid. Sometimes when I go to museums and galleries they have pre-iOS7 devices as their audio guides. Even through the museum's software you can see how smooth things like the screen rotation used to be. It still jumps out to me today.
 
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Radon87000

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Completely agree, at least in terms of polish. Pre-iOS 7 everything felt a lot more solid. Sometimes when I go to museums and galleries they have pre-iOS7 devices as their audio guides. Even through the museum's software you can see how smooth things like the screen rotation used to be. It still jumps out to me today.
iOS 6 was supposedly the smoothest version of iOS in the history of iOS
 

Nisaja

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Agreed. iOS 6.1.3 on my iPhone 5 was the smoothest, most stable and fastest version of iOS I have ever used. I've seen videos of the iPhone 5 running iOS 6 vs the iPhone 7 running iOS 10. The iPhone 5 is still faster in some areas. Incredible.
 

imagineadam

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Anybody get the iPhone 8 yet? Let us know if it has the same delay as the iPhone 7's home button on iOS 11 please! Thanks!
 
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