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C DM

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As long as iPhone X does not have this lag (and it won’t) my point is still being proven.
Clearly not given that the original point was "8 and X", as you have pointed out yourself. It really doesn't get any more clear than that.
 

Radon87000

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Here's what it boils down to I think, and I'm pretty sure I said like 10 pages or so ago to cries of fanboy.

Early in the iOS 10 cycle the close animation started as soon as the button on the 7 was pressed, resulting in slightly awkward animation translightly if the double click actually occurred.

In the iOS 11 cycle so far the animation instead appears to wait for the entire double click period to expire before beginning.

Sometime well into the iOS 10 cycle (10.2 or 10.3) Apple found the Goldilocks "just right" time.

There is no "proof" of forced obsolescence. No "proof" of trying to make the X faster. The one and only thing anyone can prove is that there is a stupid regression, a bug, in a part of the system that Apple were in no particular hurry to fix the first time.

It's a dumb, trivial error and it really shouldn't happen, but it does. It is absolutely not worth the tears shed, vitriol spewed and crackpot theories sprayed around. Chill out. It'll get fixed.

I will take back my point if Apple fixes the home button to how it was in 10.3.3 but somehow i doubt it. Apple is going to focus majority of its resources on the X where the animation obviously is instant because it gets activated by swipes.
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Clearly not given that the original point was "8 and X", as you have pointed out yourself. It really doesn't get any more clear than that.
The and part has been disproven. But the iPhone X hasn’t. I said iPhone X and iPhone 8 will have you this lag. But the 8 now does but there is no evidence regarding X
 

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I will take back my point if Apple fixes the home button to how it was in 10.3.3 but somehow i doubt it. Apple is going to focus majority of its resources on the X where the animation obviously is instant because it gets activated by swipes.

You doubted the 8 would be the same as the 7. You wanted to bet on it. Sorry, but your doubts don't count for very much in my book.
 

Radon87000

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You doubted the 8 would be the same as the 7. You wanted to bet on it. Sorry, but your doubts don't count for very much in my book.

I Don’t care whether you care because I am going to be on the X by Nov 3 and will be enjoying instant response time on Day 1 while you lot have fun with the input lag.
 

C DM

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I will take back my point if Apple fixes the home button to how it was in 10.3.3 but somehow i doubt it. Apple is going to focus majority of its resources on the X where the animation obviously is instant because it gets activated by swipes.
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The and part has been disproven. But the iPhone X hasn’t. I said iPhone X and iPhone 8 will have you this lag. But the 8 now does but there is no evidence regarding X
The point there is that all these conspiracy theories aren't panning out. As it is it's already at least half wrong, which means that the theory doesn't work.
 
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The point there is that all these conspiracy theories aren't panning out. As it is it's already at least half wrong, which means that the theory doesn't work.
It works perfectly because the main point here is Apple is gimping the home button because it wants customers to upgrade. It could either be the 8 or X or both. We don’t know that but now we can confirm that the both and 8 part can be struck off. If the X works perfectly theory is correct.
[doublepost=1506100183][/doublepost]I will admit defeat if Apple fixes the home button in a future iOS cycle. Till then my point hasn’t been disproven
 
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C DM

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It works perfectly because the main point here is Apple is gimping the home button because it wants customers to upgrade. It could either be the 8 or X or both. We don’t know that but now we can confirm that the both and 8 part can be struck off. If the X works perfectly theory is correct.
[doublepost=1506100183][/doublepost]I will admit defeat if Apple fixes the home button in a future iOS cycle. Till then my point hasn’t been disproven
The main point was (as usual) the whole "planned obsolescence", once that hasn't been panning out (also as usual) goalposts were moved and deflections came out to somehow make it a point about some "home button" theory now. Again all quite obvious.

(Also, as has been already pointed out quite a few times, similar type of home button things were brought up with iOS 10 in the early days, also with similar type of "planned obsolescence" theories being assigned to it all by some, only for things to be improved in later iOS 10 updates, and those same people then suddenly using the latest versions of iOS 10 as some sort of examples of perfection for comparison purposes. The fallacies have been all too obvious for a long time.)
 

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*facepalm*
Yeah sure a few of the times he even missed the home button before he hit the iOS 10 one but most of the time he hit them at the same time and lo and behold 10.3.3 closed faster in all of those times.
Slow the video down and you'll see. He wasn't trying to make 10.3.3 faster. It just is.

Its a flawed test. Plus both phones have different storage capacity as well.

These home brew tests are not very scientific.

But if you want to use the tests as proof, then my 6s plus is much faster then both of these phones on ios11. Chew on that for a while.
 
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The only thing Apple cares about are profits and they would love everyone to buy the X

wait... a corporation that cares about profits? unbelievable. and they're making and selling other iphones anyway? despite the fact that they want everyone to buy the X?

once again, an opinion (and/or a conspiracy theory) is no substitution for a fact.
 
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wait... a corporation that cares about profits? unbelievable. and they're making and selling other iphones anyway? despite the fact that they want everyone to buy the X?

once again, an opinion (and/or a conspiracy theory) is no substitution for a fact.

Apple have gimped all the phones they can actually build in volume so that everyone in the world will throw down their iPhones in disgust, stamp on them but also somehow clamour to buy a another iPhone. One that Apple, famously at this point, cannot build in volume. It’s just the sort of incredible business move those wily madmen at Apple are famous for. Tim, you did it again!!! :mad:
 
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I am bookmarking this thread for the 3rd of November to ask Feenician ,CDM for an explanation on why the X does not have this lag if it's a bug. Ciao till then.
 

C DM

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I am bookmarking this thread for the 3rd of November to ask Feenician ,CDM for an explanation on why the X does not have this lag if it's a bug. Ciao till then.
As long as we don't forget the whole part about iPhone 8 (and thus "planned obsolescence" that was tied to that) being wrong.
 

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I am bookmarking this thread for the 3rd of November to ask Feenician ,CDM for an explanation on why the X does not have this lag if it's a bug. Ciao till then.

Given that the issue here is with a pause while checking to see if the user is double clicking the home button, and it has no home button, you really don’t have to wait for an answer to that question. Applying a little logic now would do the trick.

Ta ta! See you at the next consipiracy meeting.
 

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Given that the issue here is with a pause while checking to see if the user is double clicking the home button and it has no home button, you really don’t have to wait for an answer to that question. Applying a little logic now would do the trick. .
Then how does iOS 10 manage to do both instantly. Again lack of home button is just an excuse because it was instant on IOS, maybe even faster than swiping
 
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X has the same processor as the 8. Why does home button have input lag while swiping doesn't? Game called for being foul.

The electric current has to pass through idtouch/home button that is connected to a tiny processor, some wires, different circut...etc etc. Thus there is a slight delay...

You right, 8 and X has the same processor, i keep thinking of 7.
 

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As long as we don't forget the whole part about iPhone 8 (and thus "planned obsolescence" that was tied to that) being wrong.
We are talking specifically about PO releated to home button, not PO in general because that's a bigger can of worms. Every older device on iOS 11 has stuttters
 

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Then how does iOS 10 manage to do both instantly. Again lack of home button is just an excuse because it was instant on IOS, maybe even faster than swiping

Are you serious? Or just desperate? What does a bug in iOS 11 have to do with iOS 10? It had its own home button issues that were later corrected.
 

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The electric current has to pass through idtouch/home button that is connected to a tiny processor, some wires, different circut...etc etc. Thus there is a slight delay....

It was instant on iOS 10 and I posted a video of it on the 1st page. Instant,no lag,no pause and I can confirm that setting click speed to slower on iOS 10 equals the speed of default click speed on iOS 11
 
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Feenician

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It was instant on iOS 10 and I posted a video of it on the 1st page. Instant,no lag,no pause and I can confirm that setting click speed to slower on iOS 10 equals the speed of default click speed on iOS 11

It wasn’t instant at the end of the iOS 10 cycle. When it was instant early in iOS 10 people cried about that too. It was fast. Faster than it currently is in iOS 11 but that’s why it is a bug in iOS 11.

Go back and read

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...on-interactions.2067278/page-15#post-25092549

It’s really not very complicated.
 
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