I am having a discussion with those who are denying the existence of the home button lag and are calling it a bug on iOS 10.
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Apple has PURPOSELY introduced lag/delay with Home Button interactions
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I am having a discussion with those who are denying the existence of the home button lag and are calling it a bug on iOS 10.
What about the malicious intent conspiracy?
That part is completely obvious and honestly doesn’t need a debate in the first place. If something is slowed down and no reason is given for it despite feedback being submitted, and conveniently a new product of the company in question comes with instant response time,and is much more expensive, it’s perfectly clear what’s being done.
And yet the simple logical example we went through shows that while something like that can certainly be a supposition it's not a given by any means (and certainly can't be proven with just that).
Can you prove nothing was broken or that in 10.3.3 whatever you felt was the response wasn’t a bug? No you can’t. Because the response suited you you deny it’s a bug on apples part. By your own videos your own experience doesn’t match up with your posts.
I’m not doubting your experiences are different than mine, that’s the way these things go. But you pass off opinions as fact.
This thread would have been much different if it simply started with:”different home button response between iOS 10 and iOS 11”. Statement of the home button rather than statements of apples intent. See the difference?
Let me try to conclude:
The fact is fact. Rest around the fact can be anything but it won’t change the fact that something happened at that time happened.
So, since none of us know what is the true intention from Apple, we have no base to argue with, which Could be something like “Apple intentionally ignores customer feedback”. No one knows if Apple is intentionally ignoring feedback or not. In short, this entire home button delay thing is a baseless argument. Sure, I see the delay. That could be considered as fact. But, because Apple does not fix it for a long time (which is the fact) does not automatically mean “Apple at some point deliberately orders the engineer to ignore this bug” (which is a speculation from our side). Maybe Apple chooses to ignore, maybe not, we never know.
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I hope The new iPhone X gesture is not as fluent as it might be. Or whatever. Good luck.
Yes, step backward. Then?
Why though? Why it should not work differently? Software being so complex, changing a constant could break a **** ton of features. No one knows.
There are SO MANY MORE people don’t even bother searching the App Store for an alternative because system has one built in, and then if it does not work they will complain.
Imagine this: if there is an app that allows solid state home button (or whatever they call) work flawlessly, will you download that app install it and forget all of your arguments in this thread altogether?
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Well, I’ll do the same thing next year, for another reason. Good luck with that.
We are not denying the existence of the delay. We are here to show people that “there is a delay but Apple does not fix that delay for a long time, hence Apple is deliberately not fixing that delay” is merely a speculation. It cannot prove that Apple is internally ignoring the delay, or the behavior of “intentionally ignoring the delay” actually happens.
You can judge Apple based on its past behavior but you cannot claim “something is happening” based on previous behavior.
Also, you liked this comment, and one thing I want to point out is bolded in the original post. Hope you can see it.
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Yeah, and Apple will only receive report from ONE user.
However battery explosion threatens people’s lives. How’s the home button delay threatens anyone?
Ok, it’s your decision.
Yes, observed by you.
I just list a few pieces. Can’t find one from big titles though.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15538666
https://www.phonearena.com/news/Thi...alculator-is-giving-the-wrong-answers_id99282
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2017/10/ios-11-calculator-bug/amp/
So yeah, no one but you notice the delay.
LOL.
What a logic.
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What a progress.
Just got an update on my home button delay bug
"Engineering has determined that your bug report is a duplicate of another issue and will be closed.
The open or closed status of the original report your bug was duplicated to appears in a text box within the bug detail section of the bug reporter user interface. For security and privacy reasons, we don't provide access to the original bug yours was duped to."
Seems like thats it. Its a done deal.
"Engineering has determined that your bug report is a duplicate of another issue and will be closed.
The open or closed status of the original report your bug was duplicated to appears in a text box within the bug detail section of the bug reporter user interface. For security and privacy reasons, we don't provide access to the original bug yours was duped to."
Seems like thats it. Its a done deal.
So basically this has been reported and your report has been marked as a duplicate of another existing report about this?
They said my bug report will now be closed so now there is no point in me submitting the feedback again and again now. Now its either they fix it or its intentional at this point.At least I recieved a response
That's not really what "Seems like that's it. It's a done deal" sounded like.
Well, seems like it's not closed then, which would likely be the case if all of this was in fact originally intentional, right?Yes. I just checked it. Its open
Now that I have recieved a response, if they keep it open forever or close it, both prove this is intentional.If they fix it, it was an honest mistake. Now there is no getting out of this for the naysayers
So basically it's it's a done deal and that's that. At least we moved away from that, despite the certainty that that supposition was being presented as.
If they close it and don't do anything, it would be intentional of them not to do anything about it, but on it's own it still doesn't mean that it was there was some particular original intent (and certainly nothing about it being due to some malicious conspiracy).
If they leave it open and don't do anything about it, it would show that they haven't decided what to do with it, or haven't gotten around to doing something about all of it, or something else of that nature. There can be some intent involved there as far as how they are treating the reported issue, but, again, on it's own it still doesn't mean that it was there was some particular original intent (and certainly nothing about it being due to some malicious conspiracy).
There can certainly be theories about original intent based on all those possibilities, but it would still be in the realm of supposition.
wait. how does that prove that it was intentional? can you explain that?
It’s only intentional as far as Apple possibly fixed a bug in 10.3.3 and updated the home button response in iOS 11 to where it should have been to begin with. There is no proof they “intentionally” slowed down the home button only maybe changed the behavior to what it should have been from the beginning.
Yes but that’s because it was similar to another bug report regarding home button delay filed by someone else. That bug report which the other guy filed is still open. If the home button delay was a bug fix and not a bug or it’s not important they could have closed both the reports.
You cannot have “proof”, unless you’re sitting in the Apple board meeting discussing a theoretical conversation about intentionally putting a delay for the home button. There is no way to prove your theory, as it is something that cannot be proven. This is not an opinion, it’s a fact, given the definition of the word proof.
You can prove, and have proven, that a delay exists. Although some will endlessly debate this, go into any Apple store and test it. I have. It’s undeniable. That’s all the proof I need. Some guy telling me stories about a personal experience is irrelevant. I have proven, with extensive evidence, that it exists. Intent is subjective.
You cannot, nor anybody for that matter, prove that it is intentional OR unintentional. You can simply gather evidence and make an assumption, which is what we’ve seen over the past 50+ pages. There is a stark difference between trying to prove the two different theories being discussed in this thread.
Maybe they are taking a second look at this based on user feedback or forneight now leaving the issue open in an indeterminate state.. You can’t second guess (which is what’s been happening all along) what Apple is doing.
Well, you can second guess if you want, but it's still just guessing.
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