Apple has PURPOSELY introduced lag/delay with Home Button interactions

[Radon87000]

Your strategy then is to never upgrade. That’s not mine but to each their own.

Yes if there is one thing this home button delay has proved, Apple's flagships perform best on the versions they ship with. Apple gives them some extra love on that version which isnt replicated on future iOS versions.Its been months yet I never saw a single stutter on my iPad Pro yet on my iPhone 7 which isnt that much weaker than the iPad I see stutter in some parts of the OS on iOS 11. I am also reading the threads on MR with users claimiing to see stuttering on iPad Pro 9.7 and iPad Pro 10.5 on iOS 11 which means I will see stuttering if I upgrade. Not going to go through all that hassle. I downloaded the TVos beta profile to stop it downloading updates in the background as it was doing it every couple of days or so.

 

[I7guy]

Yes if there is one thing this home button delay has proved, Apple's flagships perform best on the versions they ship with. Apple gives them some extra love on that version which isnt replicated on future iOS versions.Its been months yet I never saw a single stutter on my iPad Pro yet on my iPhone 7 which isnt that much weaker than the iPad I see stutter in some parts of the OS

No what this proves is for some people they see it and some people don’t see it and others just don’t have this issue. This is Normal for every release.

 

[Radon87000]

my SE runs as good (or better) in ios11 as it did in ios10, so your theory remains... your theory, and has nothing to do with fact.

https://www.phonearena.com/news/Did-the-iOS-11-update-slow-down-your-iPhone_id99443


Apple released iOS 11 more than a month ago, plenty of time to get some user feedback and push any emergency patches that could compromise the performance of the system.
But we keep on seeing and hearing reports about extremely stuttery performance of older iPhones running iOS 11. Even last year's iPhone 7 is reported to suffer from some bad slowdowns, something that usually Android phones have suffered from after rushed updates.


54% users are seeing reduced performance. 23% are seeing same performance while remaining 23% are irrelevant.

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[C DM]

https://www.phonearena.com/news/Did-the-iOS-11-update-slow-down-your-iPhone_id99443


Apple released iOS 11 more than a month ago, plenty of time to get some user feedback and push any emergency patches that could compromise the performance of the system.
But we keep on seeing and hearing reports about extremely stuttery performance of older iPhones running iOS 11. Even last year's iPhone 7 is reported to suffer from some bad slowdowns, something that usually Android phones have suffered from after rushed updates.


54% users are seeing reduced performance. 23% are seeing same performance while remaining 23% are irrelevant.

Sample size of 2638

Is this significantly different from previous major releases?

 

[I7guy]

https://www.phonearena.com/news/Did-the-iOS-11-update-slow-down-your-iPhone_id99443


Apple released iOS 11 more than a month ago, plenty of time to get some user feedback and push any emergency patches that could compromise the performance of the system.
But we keep on seeing and hearing reports about extremely stuttery performance of older iPhones running iOS 11. Even last year's iPhone 7 is reported to suffer from some bad slowdowns, something that usually Android phones have suffered from after rushed updates.


54% users are seeing reduced performance. 23% are seeing same performance while remaining 23% are irrelevant.

Sample size of 2638

Sample size of 1; my iPhone 7 is working as expected...and others here have reported the same thing, if not better than iOS 10.

 

[Nisaja]

my SE runs as good (or better) in ios11 as it did in ios10, so your theory remains... your theory, and has nothing to do with fact.

How many times do we have to say this? The home button is slower only on iPhone 7s. Because only they had solid state home buttons and came on iOS 10. Your SE has a physical home button. It was slow before iOS 11, and it is still slow on iOS 11.

 

[C DM]

How many times do we have to say this? The home button is slower only on iPhone 7s. Because only they had solid state home buttons and came on iOS 10. Your SE has a physical home button. It was slow before iOS 11, and it is still slow on iOS 11.

Or is it simply normal vs "slow"?

 

[Nisaja]

Or is it simply normal vs "slow"?

Normal for you because you have a SE. “Slow” for us because we had iPhone 7s. The home button response was super fast on iOS 10 compared to iOS 11.

 

[C DM]

Normal for you because you have a SE. “Slow” for us because we had iPhone 7s. The home button response was super fast on iOS 10 compared to iOS 11.

I don't have an SE. (I have an iPhone 7.)

 

[Nisaja]

I don't have an SE. (I have an iPhone 7.)

Oh, I thought you have an SE. Well then you must have noticed the home button delay. It’s annoying, but I kinda got used to it now. Still disappointed that’s it’s not as fast as iOS 10. Oh well.

 

[C DM]

Oh, I thought you have an SE. Well then you must have noticed the home button delay. It’s annoying, but I kinda got used to it now. Still disappointed that’s it’s not as fast as iOS 10. Oh well.

I haven't noticed it, but I can't speak for others if they are experiencing something. What I was saying is that perhaps the capacitive home button worked faster than normal in iOS 10 because some animation wasn't really there for it or something like that and that the normal way is basically being the way that the actual buttons worked (vs them being the "slow" way).

 

[Nisaja]

I haven't noticed it, but I can't speak for others if they are experiencing something. What I was saying is that perhaps the capacitive home button worked faster than normal in iOS 10 because some animation wasn't really there for it or something like that and that the normal way is basically being the way that the actual buttons worked (vs them being the "slow" way).

They made the 7’s home button faster to show that the capacitive button is “faster” than a physical button. It’s just to prove that the 7 is better than the rest. Kinda like how they made Live Photo’s exclusive to the 6s. It was all software (I got it on my jailbroken 6).

 

[Radon87000]

Or is it simply normal vs "slow"?

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The home button is not normal. It's slow. When you single click any icon on a desktop, does it have a delay to see if you are going to continue with double click? The iPhone home button is the only button which works with a lag.

 

[Feenician]

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The home button is not normal. It's slow. When you single click any icon on a desktop, does it have a delay to see if you are going to continue with double click? The iPhone home button is the only button which works with a lag.

What a garbage analogy. No, it doesn't because the single click highlight is instant. If the single click actually required an animation as a single press on the home button on an app does then, yes it would.

 

[Radon87000]

What a garbage analogy. No, it doesn't because the single click highlight is instant. If the single click actually required an animation as a single press on the home button on an app does then, yes it would.

I turned off the animations using the no animations bug on iOS 11.2. Earlier on 11.1, it used to break the delay and make it instant. Now it no longer does on 11.2. Turn off the animations and the delay is still there.

 

[simonmet]

It is not fixed in 11.2 public beta 1.

Please report this either through the Feedback app or Apple’s other feedback channels.

My respect and trust in Apple is declining every day this drags on. I spent a lot of money on this phone to get great performance, not have it artificially crippled.

 

[Feenician]

I turned off the animations using the no animations bug on iOS 11.2. Earlier on 11.1, it used to break the delay and make it instant. Now it no longer does on 11.2. Turn off the animations and the delay is still there.

"A bug doesn't act the way I want a bug to act". This is just bizarre stuff at this point.

 

[Radon87000]

"A bug doesn't act the way I want a bug to act". This is just bizarre stuff at this point.

Your no animations excuse is flawed because I turned off the animations and the delay still exists.

 

[C DM]

They made the 7’s home button faster to show that the capacitive button is “faster” than a physical button. It’s just to prove that the 7 is better than the rest. Kinda like how they made Live Photo’s exclusive to the 6s. It was all software (I got it on my jailbroken 6).

I'm still curious, as I brought it up before, but where does that particular claim come from? I mean I have an iPhone 7 myself and more or less follow tech news, but I don't quite recall that particular aspect of it being promoted or marketed. Maybe I missed it.

 

[Feenician]

It is not fixed in 11.2 public beta

It's not broken. It's an intentional unification of behavior on all devices with a home button. It responds the exact same way as all devices with a home button ever did, Dave for the 7 for a year. The 7 was the exception.
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Your no animations excuse is flawed

You're going to have to point out where I have a "no animations excuse".
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The only thing there’s any proof of here is that Apple has unified the home button response among all devices. Your continual contention that it’s planned obsolescence made to force people to upgrade doesn’t stack up for a number of reasons we’ve covered time and time again.

- It does not apply to any phone prior to the 7. They click at the same speed as always. How does that force them to upgrade? How is that planned obsolescence?

- It does apply to the newly released iPhone 8. Your contention is that Apple want or expect people who just bought an iPhone 8 to buy an X a month later, because of the response of the home button. I shouldn’t have to point out that this doesn’t make any sense.

There really is no point retreading this continually, goalposts ever shifting. Apple unified the home button response so that it is the same on devices with a capacitive home button, as it is on devices with a physical home button. No-one ever cried about this intentional, fractional delay on any device on any version of iOS, before this change because it is irrelevant.

Did someone reset your NVRAM again?

The home button response time is not input lag. It's an intentionally applied timing, which is the same across all devices with a button on iOS 11.

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Imagine this but s/tumah/bug/. It's not. It's intentional unification of timing and animation over all devices with a button.

The home button doesn't have input lag either. It has a specific, intentional, timing delay - the same one that has existed all along on every device with the exception of the 7 for a year. The 7 on iOS 10 was the anomaly. The anomaly is gone.

No, it can’t. There is no input lag, just an intentional timed delay while waiting for further input, one that matches all other iOS devices with a button ever made, except for one model, for one year. End of story.

Not sure how I can be any more clear.

 

[Radon87000]

I'm still curious, as I brought it up before, but where does that particular claim come from? I mean I have an iPhone 7 myself and more or less follow tech news, but I don't quite recall that particular aspect of it being promoted or marketed. Maybe I missed it.

It was stated in many reviews that the iPhone 7 solid button was more responsive than the mechanical button.

https://9to5mac.com/2016/10/03/opinion-new-iphone-7-home-button/
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/what-you-should-know-about-the-new-home-button-on-the-iphone-7/

 

[C DM]

It was stated in many reviews that the iPhone 7 solid button was more responsive than the mechanical button.

https://9to5mac.com/2016/10/03/opinion-new-iphone-7-home-button/
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/what-you-should-know-about-the-new-home-button-on-the-iphone-7/

Well, I'm not asking about people feeling or noticing that it was faster for them, I'm asking about it being an actual feature of the capacitive button that was promoted or even officially touted/mentioned somehow.

 

[Nisaja]

Well, I'm not asking about people feeling or noticing that it was faster for them, I'm asking about it being an actual feature of the capacitive button that was promoted or even officially touted/mentioned somehow.

It’s not a feature because it’s just a gimmick. A gimmick that made it faster than the rest of the iPhones. But people noticed it. Now they’ve slowed it down again because their new flagship is the X. And it has zero delays. Swiping up to close an app is instant.

 

[Feenician]

It’s not a feature because it’s just a gimmick. A gimmick that made it faster than the rest of the iPhones. But people noticed it. Now they’ve slowed it down again because their new flagship is the X. And it has zero delays. Swiping up to close an app is instant.

Swiping up and holding to go to multitasking isn't though. They had to make the same tradeoff for a similarly overly loaded gesture

 

[Nisaja]

Swiping up and holding to go to multitasking isn't though. They had to make the same tradeoff for a similarly overly loaded gesture

But swiping across the bottom of the screen gets you to your previously used app. That’s faster than anything.