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Feenician

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But swiping across the bottom of the screen gets you to your previously used app. That’s faster than anything.

Not if you're many apps back, no. Really no faster than the 3d rich gesture either. It's almost like there trade-offs here. Crazy stuff.
 

Shirasaki

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But if they dont fix it/keep the feedback entry open/close it, it shows that they do not intend to fix it. They started the delay and its their job to fix it.
Yeah, they do not intend to fix it today, tomorrow, or whenever.
Fact is time bound. Theory/speculation/conjecture is not. Therefore, what you said is still a theory, or prediction, not a fact.
 

C DM

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It’s not a feature because it’s just a gimmick. A gimmick that made it faster than the rest of the iPhones. But people noticed it. Now they’ve slowed it down again because their new flagship is the X. And it has zero delays. Swiping up to close an app is instant.
So it's not a feature and wasn't promoted yet it was a benefit? Why wasn't it a feature that was promoted then if it was a benefit that they supposedly were hoping would lure people into getting the new devices? That doesn't really follow.
 

Radon87000

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So it's not a feature and wasn't promoted yet it was a benefit? Why wasn't it a feature that was promoted then if it was a benefit that they supposedly were hoping would lure people into getting the new devices? That doesn't really follow.
Apple doesn’t market the RAM yet it has real world benefits. Apple does not market the display on the Plus phones being sharper than the smaller ones yet that’s a benefit. Apple doesn’t market the TrueTone technology on its iPad Pro 12.9, yet it can be a benefit to some(not me).
 
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Shirasaki

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But swiping across the bottom of the screen gets you to your previously used app. That’s faster than anything.

Not if you're many apps back, no. Really no faster than the 3d rich gesture either. It's almost like there trade-offs here. Crazy stuff.
There will be the same fashion of delay implemented to avoid wrong actions as gestures are much more prone to user error than pressing a button. I bet.
 

Radon87000

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There will be the same fashion of delay implemented to avoid wrong actions as gestures are much more prone to user error than pressing a button. I bet.

No there won’t. You are using gestures on a touchscreen as opposed to a button. It will be the fastest implementation of navigating the OS even perhaps including Android in the equation although the Pixel has faster animations which may negate it.
 

Shirasaki

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No there won’t. You are using gestures on a touchscreen as opposed to a button. It will be the fastest implementation of navigating the OS even perhaps including Android in the equation although the Pixel has faster animations which may negate it.
Maybe speed wise it is great. But still, prone to user error, with much higher possibility. I would love to see how many people bickering the sick gesture while using iPhone X. I do not need to elaborate countless times I cannot pull up control center, cannot pull down notification center, or cannot properly slide a few notes in the game, etc., etc.
 

C DM

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Apple doesn’t market the RAM yet it has real world benefits. Apple does not market the display on the Plus phones being sharper than the smaller ones yet that’s a benefit. Apple doesn’t market the TrueTone technology on its iPad Pro 12.9, yet it can be a benefit to some(not me).
At least something like TrueTone is called out as a feature and listed in specifications. If something like the capacitive button is faster than the regular one when closing apps isn't even mentioned then how could that be said thst it is being used as something to lure people to buy a new device if that's not a benefit that is mentioned for them to even consider?
 
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Radon87000

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It's not broken. It's an intentional unification of behavior on all devices with a home button. It responds the exact same way as all devices with a home button ever did, Dave for the 7 for a year. The 7 was the exception.
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You're going to have to point out where I have a "no animations excuse".
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Not sure how I can be any more clear.

You said the single click on desktop is not comparable because it lacks animations. Animations have nothing to do with the delay. On Android, by turninmg off the animations the home button response is still instant. I have a cheapo Moto G with me and its home button is actually faster than my iPhone and I can disable animations and it works just fine.

Maybe speed wise it is great. But still, prone to user error, with much higher possibility. I would love to see how many people bickering the sick gesture while using iPhone X. I do not need to elaborate countless times I cannot pull up control center, cannot pull down notification center, or cannot properly slide a few notes in the game, etc., etc.

I think people will get used to it once they find how effortless it is. Its going to be faster than the iPhhone 8, that much is certain.

At least something like TrueTone is called out as a feature and listed in specifications. If something like the capacitive button is faster than the regular one when closing apps isn't even mentioned then how could that be said thst it is being used as something to lure people to buy a new device if that's not a benefit that is mentioned for them to even consider?

Its a well known fact that the 7 Plus keeps more apps in memory and has a better display than the smaller phone despite Apple not marketing it. The Fusion chip can also sustain higher clock speeds for longer because of the bigger body which can make the phone slightly faster in heavyily demanding apps, again something not marketed by Apple. People find out about certain features not talked about once they get the phone. Apple doesnt need to advertise every small detail. They hinted at it when the marketed it

"The Home button on iPhone 7 is an advanced solid-state button designed to be durable, responsive and pressure sensitive. Working in tandem with the new Taptic Engine, it gives you precise tactile feedback as you press. And it’s even customisable. Welcome home."
 

Feenician

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You said the single click on desktop is not comparable because it lacks animations. Animations have nothing to do with the delay

Yes they do. The delay is to prevent the app closing animation beginning before the double click period ends, the same as it always has, save for one phone, for on year. You know this. This is beyond tedious.
 

I7guy

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"The Home button on iPhone 7 is an advanced solid-state button designed to be durable, responsive and pressure sensitive. Working in tandem with the new Taptic Engine, it gives you precise tactile feedback as you press. And it’s even customisable. Welcome home."
This has nothing to do with software. It’s describing hardware only. It doesn’t say the response will be instant, .1 second, 1 second or 10 seconds. That’s the function of software. So I’m that vien response to act can be any time.
 

Radon87000

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This has nothing to do with software. It’s describing hardware only. It doesn’t say the response will be instant, .1 second, 1 second or 10 seconds. That’s the function of software. So I’m that vien response to act can be any time.

the fact remains it was instantly responsive on iOS 10 when the iPhone 7 was the flagship.
 
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fisherking

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I have instant response on my iphone 7 under ios 11.1. Not sure why you don't, but everybody's experience is different.

sorry, radon87000 says that's not possible, and he's right about everything. we all ARE having the same experience. so admit you're lying, insane, or just wrong... whatever. but say it quietly... apple is listening (and they're planning more malicious actions right now)... :D
 

Nisaja

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Radon is telling the truth. The home button is noticeably slower on iOS 11 that it was on iOS 10. If you’re not noticing it, then you’re not paying enough attention, or you don’t care.
 

fisherking

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Radon is telling the truth. The home button is noticeably slower on iOS 11 that it was on iOS 10. If you’re not noticing it, then you’re not paying enough attention, or you don’t care.

so you're also speaking for every ios user on the planet? and you were put in charge by... who exactly? (because i don't remember asking you to speak for me). and your info is based on? checking in with every ios user on the planet?

seriously, the real world is much much bigger than this forum. and, unless you can prove what you believe to be true, it's just what it's been throughout this thread; a belief. and a belief is not automically a fact (no matter how hard you believe...).
 

Nisaja

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so you're also speaking for every ios user on the planet? and you were put in charge by... who exactly? (because i don't remember asking you to speak for me). and your info is based on? checking in with every ios user on the planet?

seriously, the real world is much much bigger than this forum. and, unless you can prove what you believe to be true, it's just what it's been throughout this thread; a belief. and a belief is not automically a fact (no matter how hard you believe...).

It has already been proved iOS 11’s home button response time is slower than iOS 10. But only with iPhone 7s. If you have any other phone, you won’t notice it.
 

Radon87000

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sorry, radon87000 says that's not possible, and he's right about everything. we all ARE having the same experience. so admit you're lying, insane, or just wrong... whatever. but say it quietly... apple is listening (and they're planning more malicious actions right now)... :D
You are saying the exact opposite of what I said. I said it's there in every device but not everyone notices it. It's a undeniable fact that it's there.
 

fisherking

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It has already been proved iOS 11’s home button response time is slower than iOS 10. But only with iPhone 7s. If you have any other phone, you won’t notice it.

"it has already been proved"... that ALL ios users are having the same issue you are? (i mean, i don't...). where is this proof exactly??? saying it's been proven isn't the same as providing proof.
 
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Nisaja

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"it has already been proved"... that ALL ios users are having the same issue you are? (i mean, i don't...). where is this proof exactly??? saying it's been proven isn't the same as providing proof.


Notice what happens when he presses the both home buttons at the same time? There’s your proof. I didn’t need to watch this video to notice it, but I guess some people do, so here you go.
 

fisherking

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Notice what happens when he presses the both home buttons at the same time? There’s your proof. I didn’t need to watch this video to notice it, but I guess some people do, so here you go.

how many iphones are in that video? and how many iphones are out there in the world? one video proves that something is happening... for the phones in that video. it doesn't prove that the issue exists for everyone, and, based on other's reporting on this forum, it doesn't.
 
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Nisaja

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how many iphones are in that video? and how many iphones are out there in the world? one video proves that something is happening... for the phones in that video. it doesn't prove that the issue exists for everyone, and, based on other's reporting on this forum, it doesn't.

Why don’t you hold up your iPhone 7 next to the video and press the home button right when he presses it? See for yourself
 

Radon87000

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how many iphones are in that video? and how many iphones are out there in the world? one video proves that something is happening... for the phones in that video. it doesn't prove that the issue exists for everyone, and, based on other's reporting on this forum, it doesn't.

You don’t need every Note 7 on the planet to explode to discern an issue exists

By your logic, feedback is worthless as the company can just take a cop out by saying, it’s your device and in the absence of response from the other 99% users this issue does not need fixing.

All devices on the planet on a clean install perform exactly the same ceteris paribus
 
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